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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Derbyshire => England => Derbyshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Deirdre784 on Sunday 02 June 13 19:18 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Can anyone lookup and confirm a baptism for me please in Doveridge, for Thomas Cope, on 3 Feb 1774, parents George Cope and Elizabeth.
And a marriage of George Cope and Elizabeth Smith at Doveridge on 19 Feb 1765.
If both these are confirmed, any other children born to George and Elizabeth would be great.
Many thanks,
Deirdre
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Hi Deirdre,
I can confirm the baptism of Thomas Cope on 3 February 1774 in Doveridge and the parents being George and Elizabeth.
I can also confirm the marriage of George Cope and Elizabeth Smith on 19 February 1765 in Doveridge.
Below are children born to George and Elizabeth and their date of baptism:
Mary Cope baptised either 30 March 1766 or 6 April 1766 (different transcriptions) in Doveridge.
Ann Cope baptised either 5 February 1768 or 16 October 1767 in Doveridge.
William Cope baptised 1 January 1770 in Doveridge.
Elizabeth Cope baptised 5 July 1772 in Doveridge.
Thomas Cope (as above).
George Cope baptised 7 January 1776 in Doveridge.
Jeremiah Cope baptised 23 June 1777 in Doveridge.
Sarah Cope baptised 16 December 1778 in Doveridge.
Samuel Cope baptised 14 January 1781 in Doveridge.
Esther Cope baptised 2 April 1784 in Doveridge.
I hope this helps! If there is anything else I can do to help don't hesitate to ask.
All the best,
Ashlee :)
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Hi Ashlee :)
That's fantastic, thanks. I believe that George and Elizabeth are my 5th great grandparents. I'll add the info to my tree later and check if it all adds up (it's a while since I've looked at this branch).
Thomas was in Staffordshire in 1851 but I know no more than that.
I don't suppose you can see any likely burials in Doveridge can you?
Thanks again,
Deirdre
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Hi Deirdre,
I was unable to find a burial for Thomas in Doveridge. I saw that in 1851 he was living in Alton, Staffordshire so I'm guessing his death was registered in Uttoxeter.
Below are some burials I found for George and Elizabeth's other children:
Mary Cope buried on 4 April 1809 in Doveridge.
Anne Cope buried on 13 November 1802 in Doveridge.
Jeremiah Cope buried on 31 March 1801 in Doveridge.
Esther Cope buried on 4 December 1789 in Doveridge.
I couldn't find a burial in Doveridge for George or Elizabeth. Also, I can only find Thomas and Samuel in census returns with Doveridge listed as their place of birth so I wonder if they were all born just over the border in Staffordshire but baptised and some buried in Doveridge?
Ashlee
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Thanks Ashlee, that's briiliant.
Should have specified George and Elizabeth, though I haven't found Thomas' death yet either. Thanks for the details on his siblings. Gives me plenty to work with.
Deirdre
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Ashlee,
The information you posted in reply to Deirdre's post will be a great help to me also.
I'm sure the Thomas Cope baptised 3 Feb 1774 Doveridge is one of mine.
Also great to have the marriage confirmed of George Cope and Elizabeth Smith.
Like Deirdre it gives me lots of information to add to my family history.
Ashlee, Is the information you posted from the Parish Records?
Hi, Deirdre see you are still here - like me. :)
Many thanks for all this information.
Sarra
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Hi Sarra,
I'm so glad that I've been able to help you!
I can confirm that George Cope and Elizabeth Smith married on 19 February 1765.
Unfortunately I am having to rely on transcriptions from Ancestry, but I am hoping to get to the Derbyshire Record Office in Matlock soon, in which case I will double check everything and post anything else I find.
Ashlee
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I have had a look to try to find the baptism of George and while I cannot find one in Doveridge I have found a few possible baptisms in Staffordshire between 1738 and 1745:
George Cope baptised 3 December 1738 in Alton, parents are William and Mary Cope.
George Cope baptised 4 February 1739 in Abbots Bromley, parents are George and Esther Cope.
George Cope baptised 22 May 1739 in Draycott-in-the-Moors, parents are Obed and Katherine Cope.
George Cope baptised 4 August 1745 in Leigh, parents are George and Ellen Cope.
I think that the first baptism in Alton seems highly likely to be him as he named his first born daughter Mary and first born son William. Also, his son Thomas was living in Alton in 1841 and 1851.
Ashlee
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That's brilliant Ashlee, thanks so much. I agreee that that the Alton baptism looks good - trouble is that there are hundreds of Copes and George and Thomas are particular favourites!
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Hi Sarra, yes still here! Good to hear from you, and that you like the info from Ashlee.
Hope all's well.
Deirdre
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Ashlee,
It's quite sometime since I did any research on the 'Cope' line.
I never tried to follow Elizabeth Smith's line, because 'Smith' being such a common name. I thought it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
Thomas Cope married a Sarah unknown - date and place unknown. Their first child was Mary Cope b.1800 - Gratwich. Four other births to 1807.
Sarah dies before 1826 - place unknown.
Thomas Cope then marries Ann unknown - two children born Alton Staffordshire.
Ann & Thomas Cope died before 1861 Census were taken.
I still have quite few loose ends to tie up for this family.
Thank you.
Sarra
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The marriage between George Cope & Elizabeth Smith was by licence, so a copy of the licence may give more information of his origins. Doveride marriages 1574 -1837 are on this site from BT's
http://www.derbysmarriages1538-1837.co.uk/search-result/?act=new
also there is a burial of a Thomas Cope at Doveride 16 Feb 1847 aged 62 but that would put his birth a bit later than yours.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Doveridge/burials.txt
Carol
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Thanks Carol, do you know where I could get a copy of the licence, would it be the local records office?
Don't think that's the 1774 Thomas Cope's burial, as we believe he is in Alton, Staffs in 1851 (born Doveridge).
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Hi Deirdre
It looks like there are two Thomas Cope's around at the same time and both married an Ann
1841 census of Doveridge
Thomas Cope 55, Carrier
Ann Cope 50
Charles 25
Martha 22
all said yes to being born in the County
1841 census of Alton
Thomas Cope 60, Farmer No
Ann Cope 50 No
Sarah Cope 14 yes
Thomas 11 yes
1851 census of Alton
Thomas Cope 75, Farmer of 25 acres born Doveridge
Ann Cope 64 born Greasley
Sarah 24 born Alton
Thomas 21 born Alton
Thomas Cope 60 Farmer
The marriage licences for Derbyshire are kept at Lichfield Records Office
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/contact/LichfieldRecordOffice/home.aspx
which child are you descended from?
Carol
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I think the Thomas who was in Doveridge in 1841 was the one who married Anne Marston 29 Mar 1810 in Doveridge.
Thomas Cope of Somershall aged 21 plus & Anne Marston otp aged 21 plus married by licence.
They had the following children all baptised at Doveridge
Maryann 26 April 1811
Charles 17 Oct 1815
Martha 30 Jul 1818
Sarah 15 Sept 1813
There is a Thomas Cope baptised at Somersal 6 Feb 1785 to Richard & Esther Cope
Carol
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Hi Carol, I believe that I'm descended from George, born 1802 in Alton, Staffs, to Thomas (born Doveridge 1774) and his first wife Sarah.
Looks like the 1847 Thomas burial is the 1841 Thomas in Doveridge.
Where did you see the Thomas Cope aged 60 in Alton in 1851? He's not on the 1851 I found on Ancestry.
Deirdre
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Hi Deirdre
I didn't find him age 60 in 1851
The 1851 census says he was 75 & 60 in 1841 at Alton
Carol
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Morning Carol,
Ok thanks. Just that in reply 13 where you list the 1851 census for Alton, there are 2 Thomas Copes, one aged 75 and the other aged 60. I was thinking there was another Thomas Cope to add to the mix!
Deirdre
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Morning Deirdre
Opps so there is. Must be a typo or a senior moment.
Sorry
Carol
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No worries :)
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which child are you descended from?
Hi Carol,
I'm working back from what I know: My GG grandfather was Thomas Cope. His marriage cert (29 Dec 1845 in Cheadle) says he's 21, a bachelor, labourer, from the parish of Kingsley, father George, a labourer.
There's a baptism of a Thomas Cope on 15 Feb 1824 at St Peter's, Alton, parents George, labourer, and Sarah (abode Oakamoor).
This led to a marriage on 8 Nov 1823 in St Peter's, Alton, of George Cope (from Leigh, Staffs) and Sarah Hall.
Then I found a baptism at Gratwich on 10 Oct 1802 for a George Cope, parents Thomas and Sarah. Thomas and Sarah had 5 children (Mary 1800, George 1802, John 1804, Elizabeth 1806 and William 1807). It looks as though Sarah died, as Thomas and wife Ann and 2 children (Sarah and Thomas) are in Alton in 1851, listing Doveridge as his place of birth. Not found either marriage yet though, or even proof that this Thomas is one and the same, so it's all possibilities at the moment but all the info received gives me things to work with.
Deirdre
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Deirdre,
Further to my post Reply#11.
I rummaged through my notes that I have collected on my 'Cope' reseach.
Found the following....
Thomas COPE married Sarah TURNER
3 November 1799 - Walton on Trent - Derbyshire.
This marriage is on the Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538 - 1837. Also on Family Search
Sarah TURNER - baptised 18 March 1779 - Walton on Trent.
Father - Thomas TURNER.
Record - on Family Search.
MARRIAGE:
Thomas COPE to Ann FOX - 18 September 1824 - Rocester. (this was a submitted record).
Was this Thomas Cope's second marriage.?
The Walton on Trent records are at Matlock Records office.
Just found a marriage for a Thomas Turner to Ann Collier - 12 October 1773 - Walton on Trent - possibly connected.??
I would need to check the original records to see if there is any information that will help determine if I am on the right track.
Sarra
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Hi Sarra, that all looks really good, thanks (I hadn't looked in Derbyshire) so I'll add as 'possibles' to my tree later and explore further.
I've put a request on the Staffs lookup board (as the records are in Lichfield) to see if anyone can find the licence for George and Elizabeth Smith in 1765.
Thanks again, Deirdre
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Hi Sarra, that all looks really good, thanks (I hadn't looked in Derbyshire) so I'll add as 'possibles' to my tree later and explore further.
I've put a request on the Staffs lookup board (as the records are in Lichfield) to see if anyone can find the licence for George and Elizabeth Smith in 1765.
Thanks again, Deirdre
I'll keep a lookout to see if SKS can visit the Lichfield Record Office.
Sarra
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Hi Sarra, BumbleB is going today... Can't work out how to copy a link on my tablet but it's on the Staffordshire lookups board. ;D
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Hi Sarra, here's the link to the licence lookup post....
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=693910.0
Deirdre
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Hi Sarra, here's the link to the licence lookup post....
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=693910.0
Deirdre
Thanks.....
Sarra