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Hi
My Great uncle Richard Fitzgerald was born in West Cork, in Dunmanway in 1875.
I believe he married in England, I as yet don't know who he married.
His parents were Richard Fitzgerald and Mary Grace.
In the 1901 census I found a Richard Fitzgerald, Cattle Salesman, aged 26 years in Lancashire .
He was born in Ireland in 1875!!
Have I any way of knowing for sure that they are the same Richards?
Thanks a lot
Anna
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On the 1901 census RG13 Piece 3445 Folio 38 Page 16 there is also an Ileen (Eileen?) Fitzgerald
age 23, blind from birth) a visitor born Ireland. Both she and Richard are single. Could they be brother and sister. The wife of the head of household is also from Ireland.
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You need to look at the 1911 census :)
This may be this Richard's marriage. Whether he is yours or not only the certificate with his father's details would tell you.
Marriages Sep 1/4 1905
Richard Fitzgerald
Margaret Toole
Rochdale 8e/155
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Hi Crisane
Thank you so much for all replies.
That one where you mention a possible sister......well Richard did have a step sister Ellen.
She was born in 1855 to Richard Fitzgerald and Richard's first wife Ann Mahony.
Now she would have been 46 in 1901. Also I got the various certs for her, she married in Ireland.
The Richard I am searching for was born in Lisbealad, Dunmanway Co Cork. (13-04-1875)
Thanks again
Anna
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Hi Anna,
I'm Deirdre and have just been in contact with your friend, Mary, from Rathmore about the Grace-Fitzgerald connection. My grandfather was Gerald Grace, youngest son (7 siblings) of david Grace and Ellen Fitzgerald. I don't have much on the Fitzgeralds but I know that the 2nd youngest sibling was Richard (Dick) who became a teacher and moved to East Anglia. Just saw a Richard Fitzgerald living in Lisbealad on the 1901 census - 94 years old, "widower" and living with 3 young adult children of his. Could that be Ellen's father who married twice???
Deirdre
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Hi Deirdre,
Thank you so much for that.
Yes that Richard on the 1901 Census is my Great grandfather and the three children are from his second marriage, which was to Mary Grace in 1861.
Ellen was from his first marriage to Anne Mahony.
I am very interested in that Dick that you mentioned.
I am trying to contact as many descendants of my Great Aunts and Uncles as possible as we are having a Fitzgerald Clan Gathering in Skibbereen in September!
The Matthew on that Census is my Grandfather, and I have been in touch with descendants of Julia and Mary.
If you have any idea of contact details for descendants of Dick I would love to hear from you.
Thanks again Deirdre
Anna
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Hi Anna,
I've got a subscription to Ancestry.com and have found lots of relations but Dick is a tough cookie to pin down. A cousin of mine says he ended up as a teacher in East Anglia in the U.K.- that's it. Just came across a Richard Fitzgerald on the 1901 census in Islington married to a Susan with a daughter Hannah - I presume you have that record (if it's the right man (Richard's son - born 1875). If you hneed it, just tell me.
Deirdre
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Hi Deirdre
This is great!
I suppose we are talking about the same Ellen......born 1855, Godparents were John Fitzgerald, and Jude Sullivan.
So Ellen and David are your Great grandparents....yes.
( How can I fill you in on Skibbereen?)
Where are you living?
I would love it if you could forward me the info on that Richard ( 13-04-1875), son of my Great grandfather.
I am moving on now to research Mortimer ( 26 August 1849) Schull East
and John 15-08-1857.....Lisbealad.
Thanks
Anna
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Hi again Anna,
Yes, Ellen was born in 1855 - I have the impression it was in Skibbereen as she married David <GGrace there in 1873 (I think).
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Hi Anna,
Yes - Ellen was my great-grand-mother (born 1855) and fairly sure in Skibbereen as that's where she married David Grace. I'm saying fairly sure. I live in France and have free phoning for landlines in Europe and North America. I need your email address to send things on.
Is it possible that Richard (son) died young???
Deirdre
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Hi Deirdre
Oh super......
Yes I think there was another Richard who died young.
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Talk soon
Anna
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Hi Folks
I am still trying to trace back my Great Uncle Richard Fitzgerald, born 10-04-1875, in Lisbealad, Dunmanway,Co.Cork.
I know that he lived and married in England.
I found a Richard Fitzgerald in the 1901 Census. He was 27 years of age. The Civil parish was Islington and the Ecclesiastical Parish was St. Stephen.
That Richard's wife was Susan Clark and they married in 1898 in Shoreditch.
If I manage to get a marriage cert or copy of same, will that give me the names of Richard's parent's as that is the only way I can be 100% sure that he is the Guy I am looking for.
Thanks a million
Anna
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This is the marriage on FreeBMD with the details you will need to order the certificate from here
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
Marriages Jun 1898
Susan Clarke Claridge
Richard Fitzgerald
Shoreditch vol 1c page 306
Note that Susan's surname is actually Claridge
The certificate will give you Richard's father's name and occupation (if known and if correct info given :)) No mother's details.
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Hi Crisane
Thanks a million for that.
Oh yes, I had scribbled down the Wife's name as Clark.
I will look at ordering that Cert in the morning.
I also saw in The Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records 1828-1930 that there was a Richard Fitzgerald mentioned 03-February 1904.
Reference SHBG/127/026
Could that be the Richard I am looking for, perhaps there is personal information on him in that article but I was unable to read it properly. At the top of the article it mentions Parish of Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green.
Anyway thank you so much
Anna
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Hi
The Richard Fitzgerald in The Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records 1828-1930 is stated as being born in Bromley. He is recorded as a lunatic pauper, whose mother Mary is in the workhouse. Bethnal green lunatic asylum is asking for money to cover expenses for his keep. Another article gives the addresses he has lived at prior to 1899.
I think all four records refer to the same man.
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Hi Crisane,
That is very helpful.
I know that this is not a very scientific judgment but the Richard I found in the 1901 Census, Registration District Islington, was married to a Lady from Bethnal Green. Also in the 1911 Census she lived in St. Luke with her daughter, and there was no mention of Richard. Then I thought when I saw him mentioned in that article that explained why he was not living with the Family any more.
O.K., I will try and order some kind of marriage record today and establish Richard's Father's name.
Fingers crossed because there are very few of that name, with matching date of birth ( April 1875) and born in Cork to be found in the Census in England.
Thanks a million for your help, I do appreciate it so much
Anna
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I've been looking around at all the censuses and records to see if I came up with anything else but no.
Observations,
The Richard in the lunatic asylum has poor house records starting in 1891, born c1876 Bromley with a father Richard deceased, records in 1904 again claiming monies for his upkeep, mother Mary in workhouse so not the one who marries Susan Clarke Claridge in 1898.
Susan in 1911 says married but like you can't find Richard and can't see a suitable death. Of course she and Richard could have parted company and she is saying married to keep up appearances. This could be Susan's death, area is good and the age matches up with date of birth. Not that it helps in finding Richard :)
Deaths Jun 1/4 1944
Susan C Fitzgerald age 69 Islington 1b/227
The Richard with Susan in 1901 is not the Richard born Waterford and a sheep dealer in Middlesex 1901 (and single) who is in Lancashire in 1911 with wife Margaret still a cattle and sheep dealer.
When ordering a certificate you could specify that the groom's father has to be Richard (if you are certain of that).
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Hi Crisane
You have loads of information there.
This Richard is a puzzle o.k.
I am certain that Richard was born in West Cork in April 1875.
For sure also is the fact that his parents were Richard Fitzgerald and Mary Grace who married in Drimoleague Co Cork in 1861.
I did rush in when I saw the Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records.....I was most interested in what you had to say on those.
I will keep trying.
Thanks a million
Anna
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Hi there,
My Grand uncle Mortimer was born in Schull Co Cork 26-08-1849.
His parents were Richard Fitzgerald and Anne Mahony.
I found a Mortimer Fitzgerald, born in Ireland in the Dorset Electoral Registers 1839-1922.
The polling district and parish was Spettisbury.
Mortimer was in 1907, renting a room in St Monica's Priory.
Strangely when I check the Census closest to that time i.e. 1901 and 1911, I cannot find him.
I also checked 1891 and 1871.
Strange?
Thank you
Anna
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Re Mortimer,if his age is not given it might be a different person(related?)
Try searching the 1911 for Mortimer Fitgerald(no "z") to see what I mean.
Regards
Roger
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Thank you for that.
I did search the 1911 minus the "z" and I only got one result .
It was a Mortimer in Glamorgan born in 1882.
I failed to see anything else.
Regards
Anna
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Hi again
I also saw a Mart Fitgerald in Wardsworth in 1948......that would make "my" Mortimer almost 100 years of age.
Difficult to know....
Regards
Anna
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Hi Anna
There is a Mortimer Anthony Fitzgerald in the 1911 census b Skibereen 1869 living in an RC priory in Bodmin, Cornwall. This could be the same man that you found in Spetsbury.
I did a simple search on family search for the name Mortimer Fitzgerald and it came up with a very interesting page of results including some who had emigrated to the USA. It might be worth having a look if you have not already done so.
William
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Hi William
Thank you for that.
Yes I came across the Mortimer Anthony in Cornwall, but his date of birth did not match for my Guy.
I found a Mortimer Fitzgerald in entry for Bridget B Fitzgerald Massachusetts, Deaths 1841-1915.
Both her parents, including the Dad Mortimer were born in Ireland.
The dates look good. She was born in 1874 in Brookline so that would mean the Dad was 25 at that time. When I checked the U.S. census around that period I failed to find Mortimer heading up a family anywhere. I checked and double checked every census that would match Mortimer's age.
In the U.S. census 1900 there is an M. Fitzgerald, born in August 1849, dates that match the Mortimer that I am looking for. When you click to view the image it is impossible to read the writing, also very difficult to figure out his son's name. Some of the Family Search groups have that M as Michael.
Thank you so much for your time
Anna
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Hi Folks
My grand aunt Margaret, daughter of Richard Fitzgerald and Mary Grace married Daniel McCarthy, Carrigbawn, Drinagh on 11/09/1888.
They had a daughter Mary Kate (21/08/1889), and a few years later her Mum died tragically.
Mary Kate grew up with her Dad and her Step Mum, Kate O Driscoll whom he married 19/10/1895.
In the 1911 census for Carrigbaun Mary Kate is 21 years of age and occupation is National Teacher.
I am very anxious to get information on her and I would really appreciate any help at all.
How do I go about finding out what school she worked in?
Thanks a million
Anna