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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Larneman on Wednesday 29 May 13 17:26 BST (UK)
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Hector b. Feb 9, 1867 left Broughshane, co Antrim, Ireland and m. June 21, 1888 in Vancouver. Sons John Blair Montgomery b.Feb 14, 1899 d.in 1st WW 11th Batt Canadian garrison Reg in 1918, Samuel Smith Montgomery b. Feb 1, 1891 47th Batt Canadian Infantry d. 1955, James Blair Montgomery b. 1893, Arnold Montgomery b. 1897 and d. 1900, Harold Montgomery b.1899 and d.1943, Robert Alexander Loutitt Montgomery b. 1914 and d. c. 1996. All buried Vancouver Mountain View Cemetery. Where are the Montgomerys now? Somebody must know them!
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Have you contacted the Vancouver Public Library (providing dates and as much info as possible) to see if you can locate obituaries which may give further details of there families. They are usually very accomodating ???
http://www.vpl.ca/
Sandra
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Robert Alexander Loutitt Montgomery b. 1914 and d. c. 1996.
According to British Columbia death registrations - Robert Alexander Loutitt Montgomery died 13 Feb 1914 aged 18 years.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLK9-W2X
Sandra
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If you look at Samuel's death certificate the informant is his aunt. So there must also have been other Montgomery's in BC. Did Hector have brothers that also came to Canada?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0u9n/
sami
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Samuel's death certificate also states that he is divorced, here is the link to his marriage in 1908:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0u9o/
If you go to the following BC Archives - Genealogy link you can search further for the Montgomery family.
http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy/basicSearch
sami
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James Blair Montgomery - 3 Nov 1893 - Died 26 March 1950 Los Angeles. California.
Mothers Maiden name :- Blair Father :- Montgomery.
Sandra
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Los Angeles, California in 1920 shows James with wife and children.
James B Montgomery 37 Born Canada. Immigrated 1920. PA. Married at 27 years. Engineer.
Anna Montgomery 32 Born Canada. Married at 22 years.
Norman B Montgomery 7 Born California.
Robert B Montgomery 4 Born California.
Sandra
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316 1/2 West 47 Street Los Angeles, California in 1940
James B Montgomery 47 Stationery Engineer. Naturalized.
Anna Montgomery 42
Norman Montgomery 17 Robert Montgomery
Sandra
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Son - Norman Blair Montgomery. Born 10 Mar 1923 Died 23 Oct 2010.
Last Residence 92308 Apple Valley, San Bernardino, California.
Sandra
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Son - Robert B Montgomery Born 19 Feb 1926 - Died 9 Aug 2006
Last Residence 95246 Mountain Ranch, Calaveras, California.
Sandra
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The wife of James Blair Montgomery - Anna Montgomery 29 July 1897 and died 16 Jan 1950 Los Angeles.
Mothers maiden name - Dick. Father's Surname - Defehr.
Sandra
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Declared Intention to become a citizen of the USA 1 st February 1928 - James Blair Montgomery, born 30 November 1892, immigrated to the USA on the Great Northern railway from Vancouver BC, arrived at the Port of Blaine 1st March 1920. Occupation - Marine Engineer. (index finger missing on right hand) Immigrated with wife Anna born Manitoba. Canada. Resided - 335 E 57 Street, Los Angeles, California. Married 6 th September 1919. The second page indicates Born Winkler, Canada 29 July 1897 ???. Lists the 2 sons that were resident with him - Norman and Robert.
Sandra
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Hectors sister Catherine b.Mar 31,1871 and d. Oct 24, 1912 also came to Vancouver...nothing else known.
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Sandra and Sami,
Many many thanks for all the info...I had no idea where to look...I really wasn't expecting the amazingly quick response...are the Canadian Military Records costly to look up...I would love to know how and where John Blair Montgomery died?
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Sandra,
re Rbt Alexander Loutitt Montgomery...yes this was a typing mistake...he was b. 1886
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Sandra and Sami,
Many many thanks for all the info...I had no idea where to look...I really wasn't expecting the amazingly quick response...are the Canadian Military Records costly to look up...I would love to know how and where John Blair Montgomery died?
For a start here is the recruitment record for John Blair:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0u9r/
Another good site to search is the Library and Archives Canada. You should be able to search the Census and the section on Soldiers of the First World War:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Pages/home.aspx
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Soldier of the First World War Attestation Papers are available to view at the following site. You can also order the file using the Reference info from the papers.
You can also check the 1891 census and view the originals using pdf or jpeg
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html
http://automatedgenealogy.com
you can view the 1901 and 1911 census through the split screen/view option at this site
1901BC/Burrard/Vancouver City
Montgomery, Hector, head, B. Feb 1867 imm 1884, freight handler
Margaret, wife, b. May 29, 1866, imm 1885
John, b. Feb 14, 1889
Samuel, b. Feb 1, 1891
Blair, b. Nov 20, 1891 but looks more like 1892 on original
Robert, b. Jan 3, 1897
Harold, b. Mar 16, 1899
1911 Census
265 Lansdowne
Montgomery, H., head, widower, b. Feb 1867
James B, plumber, b. Nov 1881, original looks more like 1891
Robert, bookkeeper, b. Dec 1895, this dateis off quite a bit from the 1901 census
Harold, b. Mar 1899
Montgomery, Catherine M., sister, b. Mar 1879, imm 1907
Montgomery, Lizzie M., sister, b. Apr 1880, imm 1911
? very hard to read, female, lodger, age 9, imm 1911, I would suspect this is daughter of Lizzie M.
You will find more information on bmd's at Family Search. I used last name Montgomery and father name Hector to look for info.
You may also find info at Royal BC Museum site given above. Try to narrow down the search years as the search can be very broad and sometimes frustrating. You may get lucky though and be able to view the original death certificates which give lots of info. The marriage for Hector and Margaret is available to view.
Harold b. 1899 d. 1943, March 22
divorced, spouse was Marguerite Evans
they had a son
Leonard Hector
b. June 9, 1927
d. Apr 23, 1966
Informant was his wife C. Montgomery
the death registration gives the residence in West Vancouver
Hector Montgomery
d. 10 Feb 1926, Vancouver
parents were David Montgomery and Rose Smith
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Valeriec,
Many thanks for all your work...its fantastic!
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It took a bit of searching but I found the info on where John Blair Montgomery died.
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html
War Diaries of the First World War
under search topic try
MD No 11 Victoria
If that doesn't work, put in only Victoria
The information that you want is on October 1918, page 22
I will post the info here just in case you can't bring it up as it was being obstinate tonight.
23/10/1918 12:30pm
No 2020874, Pte Montgomery, J. died of Influenza and pneumonia
I suspected that if he died in Victoria it would have been from influenza but had to source it. I found this info by looking at Nursing Sister Marjorie Beatrice Moberley who wasn't included in the CWGC and there was a forum that was trying to source info to get her included.
I'm not sure if this site will work or not but will post anyway
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic
From the Royal BC Museum archives
John Montgomery
age 29, died 1918/10/23, Esquimalt (this is the military base in Victoria, BC)
Registration # 1918-09-038195
Margaret Montgomery
age 40, died 1905/11/13, Vancouver, BC
Registration # 1905-09-121335
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Valeriec,
Many more thanks...why do you say if John Blair Montgomery died in Victoria you suspected influenza...was there a mass breakout/epidemic at this time?
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Valeriec,
One of the marriages took place at "Manse of Chal____________? Presbyterian Church, 1495 8th Avenue, Vancouver. I've looked this up but comes back as a Masonic hall...any thoughts as to the right name of church?
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Answers to a few questions
Yes, there was an outbreak of influenza at that point of time.
I can't find anything on a presbyterian church at that address but the masonic hall was built in the early 1970's. I would contact the Vancouver Library. They should have city directories that may give the name of the church and manse. Most of the larger libraries have an "Ask a Librarian" section.
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The Vancouver Public Library also has searchable BC city directories online from 1860 to 1955. You can search by surnames or streets.
http://www.vpl.ca/bccd/index.php/browse/index
sami
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"Montgomery, Lizzie M., sister, b. Apr 1880, imm 1911
? very hard to read, female, lodger, age 9, imm 1911, I would suspect this is daughter of Lizzie M."
The Lizzie shown on the 1911 census at 265 Lansdowne Ave. arrived with her daughter Lizzie on the CPR ship Lake Manitoba sailing from Liverpool to Saint John NB. Its hard to see, but it looks to me as if the older Lizzie is a widow. Rather than Hector's sister, I wonder if she is a sister-in-law.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0uan/
sami
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Sami and Valeriec,
Again I thank you! :)
Lizzie was indeed Hectors sister b. Apr 9, 1880 Broughshane, Ireland...I had no idea that she married or had a daughter Lizzie...great info, I shall delve deeper into this. By the way your records online are so much better than over here in N. Ireland - very lucky!
I wonder did perhaps brothers Samuel b. Feb 25,1865, John b. June 26, 1876 and sister Rose Mary b. Jan 22, 1874 follow their siblings Hector, Catherine and Lizzie to Vancouver? The family had undoubtedly a poor existence in Ireland...9 children and parents living in a 2 roomed cottage...so a new start in Canada would have seemed very attractive! The 2 elder brothers William and David were iron ore miners and stayed in Ireland.
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I wonder did perhaps brothers Samuel b. Feb 25,1865, John b. June 26, 1876 and sister Rose Mary b. Jan 22, 1874 follow their siblings Hector, Catherine and Lizzie to Vancouver? The family had undoubtedly a poor existence in Ireland...9 children and parents living in a 2 roomed cottage...so a new start in Canada would have seemed very attractive! The 2 elder brothers William and David were iron ore miners and stayed in Ireland.
Its worth a look, but it would help if you had a bit more information. Did Samuel, John, or Rose Mary marry in Ireland? And if they did emigrate, do have any idea of the time frame?
sami
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Sami,
Just checked the 1911 Ireland census, none of three are listed and could find no marriage details of a Lizzie (Elizabeth) Montgomery...very strange.
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Sami,
Rose Mary is listed in 1901 Ireland Census so after that.
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Just checked the 1911 Ireland census, none of three are listed and could find no marriage details of a Lizzie (Elizabeth) Montgomery...very strange.
I did wonder if she was a sister-in-law rather than a sister to Hector. I've been looking at a number of records. Does the name Elizabeth Hill have any connection to your Montgomery family?
I'm still puzzling over the 'Aunt' - Mrs. E. Montgomery - who is the informant on the Samuel Smith Montgomery death record in 1955. They both had the same address - 265 E 4rth Ave.
When I check the city directories for that address I find it is occupied by:
Harold Montgomery in 1923, 24, and 25;
Eliz. Montgomery widow from 1926 through 1955.
I'm also puzzled over this death cert., but I'm wondering if this is the Lizzie (and her daughter as the informant) who came to Canada in 1911:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0uaq/
sami
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There is a Rose M. Montgomery with a death date of Feb 22, 1911 at Vancouver. Born Ireland and death at age 37 (birth therefore 1874). No image available and no parental information on FamilySearch. Her burial is Mountain View.
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I went to the census of Ireland 1901 and 1911
1901/Antrim/Kirkinriola/Drumfane
house 6
David Montgomery, age 60
Rose, age 60
Catherine, age 30, daughter
Rose Mary, age 27, daughter
Lizzie, age 20, daughter
all born County Antrim, daughters all mill workers
1911/Antrim/Kirkinriola/Drumfare
house 18
Elizabeth Montgomery, age 30, Head of Family, single
Elizabeth Montgomery, age 9, daughter, scholar
Anne Jane Rooner, age 73, aunt, widow
This appears to be your Lizzie that immigrated with her daughter Lizzie in 1911. It would appear that she never married. She may have used Mrs. just to avoid the embarrassment and such that would accompany an unmarried woman with a child at that point in time.
This may be your John Montgomery in 1901 and 1911
1901/Antrim/Kirkinriola/Killylough
House 10
Margaret McCaughey, 49, head of family
John Montgomery, nephew, married, horsetrainer
Lizzie Montgomery, niece, married
It appears that John and Lizzie are married to each other and in the 1911 census he is listed as nephew in law. No children are listed for the couple.
Still trying to find info on the Elizabeth Montgomery who died in 1960 to see if she is your Lizzie.
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Valeriec,
Yes great, that is our Lizzie and her daughter. It would appear she never married (certainly not in Ireland). I'l need to dig more on the John listed in the census. Many thanks again!
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Have sent you 2 PM's with more recent information.
sami
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I am the granddaughter of Norman Blair Montgomery, son of James and Anna Montgomery. This blog has been amazing to read...so much history. I don't know much about my grandfather's family other than that his parents were from Canada. But if anyone wants to know more recent history of Norman, I can try to help!
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Mel, sorry for not contacting you sooner…I had saved the post meaning to get back to you and just completely forgot about it. I would love you to bring me up to date re Norman Blair Montgomery's family and that of his brother Robert B. (?) Montgomery. Could you tell me any background stuff like their employment or other interesting things…I am the long term partner of your far off cousin Karen Montgomery from Larne in N. ireland. Regards Laurence McAuley