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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Herefordshire => Topic started by: janjim on Tuesday 21 May 13 09:38 BST (UK)
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Hi,
My GGG Grandfather lived at the Old Shop at Much Birch in the 1840's working as a Cooper, and I was wondering if there was anyone living around this area, that might kindly be able to take a photo of this dwelling. I believe that this building still stands, and at that time around, it appears to have been next door to the Post Office building.
We live in Australia, and the sad part is that we were travelling through this area a couple of years ago, but at that stage I did not know the existence of this building.
I would really appreciate any assistance anyone could provide, thanking you.
jan
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I will be going through Much Birch on Monday.
I will leave myself a note to remind me to have a look for you.
Mike
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Thanks so much, since posting I have found out more information on the family, apparently his Mother owned several patches in town, so if you can get a photo of the local church too, that would be great, especially if any graves for the Cooper Verry family
Jan
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most likely you know this, but google street view has the village and church and graveyard well covered, search for Hereford uk and move down the A49 to much birch.
added, I'm sure mike will succeed, but the street view is interesting, can you spot the family historian making notes in the churchyard?
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Thanks so much, will look at google street view, have been away
Jan
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Hi Mike and Mazi,
Have had a look on Street View, having difficulty finding the street address for the Old Shop,
not had any luck so far.
Wondering Mike if you managed to go to Much Birch at all, had any success at getting a photo, or is it that the Old Shop does not exist after all.
Cheers
Jan
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I drove through Much Birch the other day, and remembering your thread I had a look for a likely looking old shop. I couldn't see anything so it might not have been on what is now the main road (A49), or it could have been demolished when the road was widened. If anyone does come up with an address for the shop, I can easily pop back one weekend to take a photo or two.
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I drove through Much Birch the other day, and remembering your thread I had a look for a likely looking old shop. I couldn't see anything so it might not have been on what is now the main road (A49), or it could have been demolished when the road was widened. If anyone does come up with an address for the shop, I can easily pop back one weekend to take a photo or two.
my problem too, but it was "old shop" in 1841, in 1851 he was at Hereford road, implying the main road.
there is not much at Much Birch, but I think the parish may also include wormelow, which has two pubs and a shop and post office, if so they are very very much changed from 1851, as can be seen very clearly on street view.
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Hi everyone,
Thanks so much, living in Australia, it is hard to gauge the whole situation, and having been over in the UK in 2010, I have a bit of an idea about the area. We did travel along the A49 and actually stopped at the Pilgrim Hotel, but just wish we had known about our family in Much Birch then.
Beautiful area, I just wishes we had actually gone into the village itself.
However, I have just googled the address, and a sale came up for a Terrace, 2, The Old Shop,
Much Birch, sold on the 25.6.2010 for 178 pounds, so was thinking the building was probably still there.
Maybe I will try to find an Estate Agent on website who might be able to help me.
Thank you for your help anyway, much appreciated.
jan
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It is possible that a letter to that address may produce a friendly owner who will take a photo of the houses for you and email it to you.
you have absolutely nothing to lose by doing this.
I will pm you the full address
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Thanks so much Mazi, I will do that.
Jan
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Hi,
I have stumbled across this site as I have just started to research the history of my house. I live at 2, The Old Shop, Much Birch. I purchased it at the end of June 2010 for £178,000. I have read your posts, did your Grandfather really live in my house? I find this amazing if he did?!
I can send you some photos if you like?
Would love to know what history you have about the house and the people who lived here.
Look forward to your reply.
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Tipper29,
I am so glad you stumbled across this posting, yes yes I would really love some photos, maybe I should p.m. you, if you think a better option.
I will get out my files and give you more history on it now, and get back to you.
jan
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Hi again,
I can't tell you too much about the history of the house, but definitely yes William Haynes (Haines) was living with his wife Mary at the Old Shop, Much Birch in 1841 census. William was my GGG Grandfather and he was a Cooper by trade. It appears by 1851 census he had moved to Hereford Road, and 1861 census he was living with his son-in-law William Cooper at The School House, Much Birch. So our William presumably was not the owner of the property, certainly his Mother's family owned quite an amount of property (the Verry family) and they had lived in Much Birch area since 1541. When she died in 1807, Eleanor left property called "The Patch", called the New Patch, to him, so where or what that is, I am not sure. Guess need to do more research.
I would love to see some photos. jan
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Welcome to rootschat Tipper29, :),you will need to make two more posts on this thread before you can use the private message option, just say hello a couple of times or something similar.
Mike
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Hi JanJim,
PM would be good. Its nice to know your GGG Grandfather lived here in 1841, I am already starting to build up a picture of how old the house actually is.
I would love to send some pics, front and back, don't mind sending some inside ones to, if you like?
Thanks Mike, for the welcome, new to the site so will learn as I go!
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I will p.m. you after you reply to this posting. I am guessing that the Old Shop is down in the centre of the village, off the A49, have been trying to get an idea of the position of this house in relation to the whole area. We actually stayed at Harewood End Hotel, and just wish now that we knew more about the family, as it appears that the School House where our William Haynes lived in latter years, is now a B & B, but I think it is along the A49, would that be right.
From what I have been able to find out too is that the Verry family owned Hill Farm, wondering if this property still exists.
Would love any photos that you can provide, of the actual vicinity of the Old Shop.
Jan
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How lovely for you Jan....that's the power of Rootschat...you just never know what surprises are in store 8)
Welcome to Rootschat Tipper.
Carol
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Carol,
Oh yes, I'm just blown away to find someone who actually lives in the house, you never know.
Rootschat is an amazing site, I've had so much success since joining, forever will be grateful for all the assistance I've been given.
Jan
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Oh I do love a story like this Jan! 2 years after you started the thread, and you had probably given up hope, up pops the current owner happy to send you photos.
A big welcome to Rootschat Tipper ;D
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Yes am sure she will have many happy years researching, as I've done.
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What a great success story this is. :)
This map is too late for you a(1888-1913) and does not show the detail you require, but I thought it might be of interest anyway:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=16&lat=51.9733&lon=-2.7255&layers=171&right=BingHyb
(you can explore by zooming in and out and scrolling :))
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Ruskie, thank you, that is so good. Just cannot believe we were so close to this little village when we were in Harewood in 2010 (long way to go back and see again), but having been in the area it is quite amazing to see this map now.
Jan