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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Beerman on Monday 20 May 13 22:21 BST (UK)
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For years I've searched without joy for a link, but with nothing to the contrary my belief is unchanged and I'm hopeful that experienced contributors here might end my misery.
Bowness and Bowness were a renown and fashionable fishing tackle manufacturers in the Strand. In 1765 in Bloomsbury, Thomas Bowness married Susannah Gorman to live and trade from Bell Yard where children named Susannah, Mary, George, Harriet, Caroline, John, and Thomas were born between 1766 and 1781. Son George followed by his son and yet again, continued the family business.
Now my grandmother's origins lead to a Thomas Bowness, mariner and native of London, whom I have long thought might be son of George Bowness and Susannah Gorman, whom in 1804 married Ann Todd in Sunderland, a native of that town. Their children (1806-1819) were named Dorothy (Ann's mother's name) Thomas, Susannah, Caroline, Mary and George.
Can anyone point me towards a way of solving this? I've learned little about Thomas Bowness, mariner of London, not even when he died or at what age, but a mass of coincidences including his daughter Susannah sharing a grave in Bishop Auckland with the mother-in-law of Caroline, daughter of George and Susannah.
Help, what happened to Thomas son of George and Susannah Bowness born in 1779?
Eric.
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Hi
Does the information from Susannah Bowness Fishing Tackle Maker of St Dunstan in the West, Prerogative Court of Canterbury will probated 1815 supply any further information about her surviving children?
There is a burial for a Susannah Bowness 23rd April 1815 at St George Bloomsbury of White Lion Street, St James Clerkenwell aged 74.
Regards
Valda
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hi,,there is a petition to Trinity House in 1819 by a Ann Bowness age 36,,of Bishop Auckland Widow of a Thomas Bowness. If this is your Ann and Thomas,,it would suggest Thomas had died c 1819 ?
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Yes, Gortonboy, they are. Their last child was baptised in Bishopwearmouth (Sunderland) in 1819, then in 1833 in Bishop Auckland their son Thomas was married and daughter Susannah died with no record of their father. Can I presume he was lost at sea?
Thank you for that, an absolute major breakthrough. I presume now I should be able to learn his age.
So much time spent on this epic and so much still to learn.
Thank you so much.
Eric.
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Hi
Does the information from Susannah Bowness Fishing Tackle Maker of St Dunstan in the West, Prerogative Court of Canterbury will probated 1815 supply any further information about her surviving children?
There is a burial for a Susannah Bowness 23rd April 1815 at St George Bloomsbury of White Lion Street, St James Clerkenwell aged 74.
Regards
Valda
Yes, it does. The will is comprehensive and makes no mention of a Thomas. It does, however include the following.......
.............control and whereas the said John Antram indebted to me in the principle sum of two hundred pounds now I do hereby direct my Exor (executor) herinafter named to demand payment & get in the said debt as soon as conveniently may do after my decease and then to invest or pay out in each manner as my said daughter Caroline the wife of the said John Antram shall instruct. The said principle sum of two hundred pounds which I hereby give and bequeath to and & for the sole & separate use & benefit independent of her husband.
A Dorothy Antram, whom I believe to be the above John's mother, died in Feb 1815 and is buried in Bishop Auckland. In the same grave is her sister Ann (Todd) and her husband George Bowness, with another Thomas Bowness and his cousin Susannah Bowness, the daughter of the Thomas Bowness whom we now know was dead in 1819. I feel she may have had reason to exclude her son Thomas from her will.
Yes, Susannah Bowness (Gorman) died in 1815.
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Thomas... might be son of George Bowness and Susannah Gorman...
...mother-in-law of Caroline, daughter of George and Susannah...
Help, what happened to Thomas son of George and Susannah Bowness born in 1779?
Hi Eric
I'm finding this all a bit confusing. Aren't they children of Thomas and Susannah?
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I see that the Land Tax assessment for the Bell Yard address is in the name of Thomas Bowness up to & including 1783, and then in Susannah's name from 1784 onwards.
A clue to Thomas's death date perhaps - has a will been found for him?
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Thomas... might be son of George Bowness and Susannah Gorman...
...mother-in-law of Caroline, daughter of George and Susannah...
Help, what happened to Thomas son of George and Susannah Bowness born in 1779?
Hi Eric
I'm finding this all a bit confusing. Aren't they children of Thomas and Susannah?
Sorry, yes you are quite correct. It was me who was confused. For George and Susannah Bowness, please read Thomas and Susannah.
Thank you.
Eric.
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I see that the Land Tax assessment for the Bell Yard address is in the name of Thomas Bowness up to & including 1783, and then in Susannah's name from 1784 onwards.
A clue to Thomas's death date perhaps - has a will been found for him?
I have no will for any Thomas Bowness.
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I know this topic is a "long shot" and I'm sorry for, and not a little embarrassed at, getting my names mixed and causing confusion from the start. However, I'm already the wiser within a few hours of posting and truly grateful to all and hopeful I've not caused too much trouble and that I may be forgiven for my laxity.
My grandmother, b1886, was adopted and spent much of her life searching and died knowing no more than what was on her birth certificate. The advent of the internet made solving this century long mystery possible and I soon worked back as far as a marriage in 1804 between a Thomas Bowness and an Ann Todd. Of this Thomas I learned only that he was a mariner, ship owner and native of London and left this on the shelf for occasional review.
With more information found on the web, increasingly common factors appeared to connect my Thomas Bowness and the fishing tackle family in London. Initially it was only that my Thomas had children called Susannah, Mary, George, Caroline and Thomas, as had potential parents Thomas and Susannah named theirs and their son George, in turn, did too. Searches of the London Gazette produced other lifestyle similarities in terms of legal wrangling and financial difficulties in both these Bowness families while no other branch of my family ever faced such matters. They both wed by licence, not banns and potential brother George indentured his son Thomas to become a mariner. as was my Thomas.
All these could be coincidence, but as time goes on the number of coincidences increase while finding nothing to indicate the contrary.
Eric.
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No need to apologise :)
I'd suggest your next step might be to order the Trinity House petition of Ann BOWNESS, 36, widow of Thomas, of Bishop Auckland, dated 1819.
See here for how to order the document from the Society of Genealogists:
http://tinyurl.com/ok96kb6
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Yes, thank you for that, I've got the paperwork done.
This has to be the best lead in a very long time.
Thanks to everyone.
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I'd suggest your next step might be to order the Trinity House petition of Ann BOWNESS, 36, widow of Thomas, of Bishop Auckland, dated 1819.
See here for how to order the document from the Society of Genealogists:
http://tinyurl.com/ok96kb6
The petition duly arrived, with a copy of a letter from Ship, Duchess of York at Buenos Ayres, with detail of an event that resulted in Thomas Bowness being lost at sea on 5th May, 1819. The petition contained information that Thomas Bowness had served as "a regular apprentice in the North Country Coal Trade" and that he was "Commander on board the Ship Barbara & Ann in the Foriegn Trade, of which Ship Thomas Thompson Todd & he were owners and served in that Capacity for Twelve Years." His last voyage on that ship, a 133 ton brig built by J Brewis in 1801 at Sunderland, was also recorded as from the Mediterranean to Bristol in 1813. Lloyds Registers of the period list him as T. Bonness.
So substantial progress, the next objective is to find his birth to rule in or out his potential parentage. I have been informed of an "Apprentice tax return" of 18th May, 1793 showing a Thomas Bowness apprenticed to a master called Saml. Strode, of High Holborn Co of Middx, Oil man, so who was he and what was the company?
I'm also told somewhere there is a register of apprentices sent to merchant ships during this period, but might that only have been of the poor and destitute?
Any further information, advice or suggestion will be gladly received.
Eric.
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There does seem to be a link between Bowness & Bowness and those of Bishop Auckland.
Mary Bowness (b.1768) daughter of Thomas Bowness and Susannah Gorman married Thomas Bond. Thomas Bond became a fairly well-established fishing tackle maker himself and conducted business at Crooked Lane, and then later 62 Cannon Street, London. I am descended through Thomas and Mary's daughter Agnes Bond. Where the link emerges is that Thomas Bond's will of 1830 includes a bequest - "unto Ann Bowness of Bishop Auckland, widow the sum of nineteen guineas of like lawful money".
I knew Thomas Bond's father-in-law was a Bowness, so thought this was likely to be a relation but wasn't sure as this modest bequest was in amongst other bequests to servants and workmen, rather than family. It is also small in relation to the total value of his will (in the tens of thousands of pounds).
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There does seem to be a link between Bowness & Bowness and those of Bishop Auckland.
Mary Bowness (b.1768) daughter of Thomas Bowness and Susannah Gorman married Thomas Bond. Thomas Bond became a fairly well-established fishing tackle maker himself and conducted business at Crooked Lane, and then later 62 Cannon Street, London. I am descended through Thomas and Mary's daughter Agnes Bond. Where the link emerges is that Thomas Bond's will of 1830 includes a bequest - "unto Ann Bowness of Bishop Auckland, widow the sum of nineteen guineas of like lawful money".
I knew Thomas Bond's father-in-law was a Bowness, so thought this was likely to be a relation but wasn't sure as this modest bequest was in amongst other bequests to servants and workmen, rather than family. It is also small in relation to the total value of his will (in the tens of thousands of pounds).
This is without doubt a most valuable piece of information, thank you. It compels me to believe that your Mary Bowness was elder sister of my Thomas.
While no evidence has been found of fiscal support from his parents or siblings, Thomas Bowness's family must have had other support after the petition to Trinity House. In the 1841 census, two of his daughters were school mistresses, suggesting they must had a funded education. Maybe this came from in-laws and while they were living and not just in their wills.
Again, thank you.