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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: Nickuebel on Sunday 19 May 13 15:41 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I'm new to this so please be patient. I am trying to find any reference to my grandfather, C.F.Uebel a Pork Butcher in Hull, East Yorkshire. Family stories say he came from a place/ region of Germany called Halle. He first travelled via Hull to the United States were he worked for a time in Chicago. For reasons unknown he returned to England and Hull and eventually opened his shop in Porter Street, Hull. Census records tell me he was established there by 1896. Whether he was married first or after he established the shop I don't know but my grandmother's name was Sofia( don't know her maiden name). Their children, my father, Charles Henry Uebel, three sisters, Elsie, Anne and Laura. My fathers two brothers, Ludwig and (unknown) died in infancy. I believe that possibly relatives worked in the shop or residence as servants (names unreadable on census).
What bit of research I have managed unearthed a Louise Uebel baptised in Holy Trinity Church in Hull in the seventeenth century so maybe the family name was already here?
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Welcome to RootsChat! ;D
I guess this would be the family?
1901 census: Class: RG13; Piece: 4500; Folio: 48; Page: 3
127 Porter Street, Holy Trinity, Kingston Upon Hull
Uebel, Chris Head M 33 Pork Butcher b Germany (German Subject)
Uebel, Sophie Wife F 30 b Germany (German subject)
Uebel, Elsa Daughter F 3 b Hull
Uebel, Ludwig Son M 5 months b Hull
Heubon, Ana Sister-in-Law Married F 24 Butcher b Germany
Louis, Alma Servant F 17 b France
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Did you know that RootsChat as a German Pork Butchers database?
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php
or scroll down to the bottom of the page
select Reference Library
Select Databases for Special Interest Groups
Then selct German Pork Butchers from the drop-down box!
BTW another census suggests Wurthemburg as birthplace?
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat....There is also this:
Anna Eubel b. 1874 Heilbronn Am Neckar..Baden - Wurtnaburg, Germany..Later census gives Place of Birth as Brunsburg
Married Robert Henson 1901 in Hull d. 1915
Children:
Robert Frederick Henson b. 1903 Ripon d. 1967
Arthur Lawrence Henson b. 1905
Walters Henson b. 1908
Gertrude Henson b. 1911 Hull d. 1975
Carol
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Wonder if this is the other child who died in infancy?
Death reg
John Christian Uebel
Dec qtr 1898
age 0
Hull
9d 153
one of the children b Hull's birth certificate would give mother's maiden name
Suz
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Probate
Uebel, Sophia of 86 Bricknell Avenue Kingston Upon Hull widow died 26 Aug 1948 Probate Llandudno 24 Jun to Annie Sopia Uebel spinster & Charles henr Uebel pork butcher
Effects £3048 7s 8d
Probate
Uebel, Christian Frederick of 127 Porter St Kingston Upon Hull died 1 may 1937 Probate london 7 Ma to Sophia Uebel widow, Christolph Friedrich Kress pork butcher & William Morgan solicitor
Effects £11144 6s 10p
Suz
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Great find Suz :D
There is also a death for Ludwig C. Uebel age 0 in 1901 found here:
http://yorkshirebmd.org.uk/index.php
Carol
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this is possibly the area Christian and Sophie were from
Braunsbach , Wurthenberg
suz
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Yorkshire BMD also give a Sophia Uebel, born in 1902.
There is also a marriage between Christian F Uebel and Sophie Koehnlein at Hull Register Offices in 1896. The reference is HRO/40/20.
All the best
Joyce
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There is also an Elsie L R Uebel born in Hull in 1897
and a death for John C. Uebel in Hull 1898
Carol
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Family stories say he came from a place/ region of Germany called Halle.
You could order a copy of his British Naturalisation case-papers from TNA. They should give you his place of birth, the names of his parents, and other useful information :)
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C4149527
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Just been skulking around ancestry and although wrongly spelled, "Webel" instead of Uebel, they, Christoph and Sophia both definitely state they are from Braunsbach, but again was wrongly spelled. I think it would also be "Hall" and not "Halle", i.e. Braunsbach near Schwäbisch Hall.
Welcome Nick, good to have another pork butcher's descendant.
Gill
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Thanks SwissGill,
I have wondered about 'Halle' as I have discovered the area that 'Pork Butchers' came from is not Halle.
Also I posted a piece about a relative of my grandfather who had a hotel on Lake Lucerne in Switzerland. Unfortunately I only have a Christian name, Berth or maybe Berta. She may have been a sister but I doubt I shall ever discover. My dad, Charlie Uebel visited in the mid thirties but in these intervening years contact has been lost.
Nick
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this is possibly the area Christian and Sophie were from
Braunsbach , Wurthenberg
suz
This man has a Marie Katherine Koehnlein born 1780 - died 1848 in Braunsbach ,Wurttenburg...
http://gw0.geneanet.org/313?lang=en&v=KOEHNLEIN&m=N
The tree owners name is
Patrick Martin ??...does that name ring any bells ??....definitely sounds English /Irish - possibly American - possible connection to Sophie Koehnlein ??
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Someone called Liz Taylor from Mokine Western Australia has posted this on the Facebook page 'Hull: The good old days' on March 1, 2024. It's a piece of embroidery by Elsa Uebel dated 1909.
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Shop opened around 1896 (my emphasis in the article below).
1 September 1932: Hull Daily Mail
WHY BUTTER IS DEAR
Hull Court Criticism of Selling System
MAKER UNKNOWN
Pleading guilty to selling one pound of butter which contained 10.5 per cent excess of water, Christian F. Uebel a shopkeeper, of Porter-street, Hull, appeared before the Stipendiary Magistrate, Mr J. R. Macdonald, at Hull Police Court, to-day.
Mr J. H. Payne defended, while Mr J. F. Fishwick prosecuted on behalf of the Hull Corporation.
Mr Fishwick said the butter was purchased in packet form by Mr Clayton, a Corporation sampling oficer, on July 15, at Uebel's shop.
Uebel said he got the butter from a man named Peters. A sample taken from Mr Peters was ascertained to be genuine.
QUESTION OF MAKING
Mr Fishwick said that the question was one of good or bad making. It was only in farm butter that excesses of water were found. A sample taken in 1930 had been found to be genuine.
Mr Payne said that his client was not a butter dealer. For the past two years he had purchased a few pounds from Mr Peters on various occasions.
These were for his own consumption, but if a small portion was left over it was disposed of in the shop, which was given over to pork butchery. Mr Peters did not make the butter, said Mr Payne, nor did the firm from whom he obtained it. They, too, did not know who made it.
Mr Payne added that Uebel had been in the shop for 36 years and had never been in trouble.
A BREACH OF THE LAW
Mr Macdonald said that he did not say the man was dishonest, but he had broken the law. One was always hearing of the depression in the farming industry, and this could be understood when butter, such as in the present case, passed through three or four hands before reaching the public. These people would require a profit on the transaction. It might make a difference to the price if the butter had passed through only one person's hands before reaching the public, as seemed to be the case when butter was exported to this country.
Mr Macdonald said: " I will not register any conviction on Mr Uebel if he will pay £1 1s towards the Corporation expenses. The case will be dismissed."[/url]
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5 April 1934: Hull Daily Mail
POTTED MEAT OFFENCE
Hull Man to Pay £2 Fine
The statement that potted meat contains 70 per cent. of water was made by Mr J. Fishwick when he prosecuted in a case at Hull Police Court to-day.
Christian F. Uebel of Porter-street, Hull, was summoned for selling, through an assistant, potted meat containing a superfluity of water, and, in addition, a prohibited preservative – boric acid.
Uebel pleaded guilty through Mr F. C. Payne, and was fined £2.
Mr Fishwick explained that a sample was taken by Food Inspector Lawson and on analysis showed 75.2 per cent. of water, 0.05 of boric acid, and 24.75 of dry meat and condiments. The City Analyst had recommended that 70 per cent. of water be permitted in potted meat, and the Corporation had adopted this.
FIRST FAULTY SAMPLE
Mr Payne said that Uebel had been in business for 38 years, and although many samples had been taken in that time this was the first occasion on which anything had been found wrong. The meat in question had been made by an employee, and there must have been some little carelessness on the part of the man in making. There was some of the forbidden preservative in the shop, but it had not been used since it was prohibited.
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C H Uebel seems to have participated in motor sports, either motorcycle or car-based, it is unclear.
6 March 1931: Hull Daily Mail
MOTORISTS MAKE MERRY
Messrs Thompson's Annual Dance
OVER 500 guests enjoyed a merry evening at the fifth annual supper dance, whist drive and prize distribution. organised by the staff of W. L. Thompson Ltd., the well-known Hull motor firm, and held at the Beverley-road Baths last night. The prizes were presented by Mr G. G. Hayden, sales manager of the Triumph Motor Co., Ltd., immediately following supper, which was presided over by Mr W. L. Thompson, the head of the local firm. [a list of prizewinners follows, then another list begins...]
Bronze medals for other competitors who did not lose more than 35 marks:
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C. H. Uebel 127, Porter-street
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Advert for the trials from May 1930 here (at the bottom of the image): (won’t post, will try separate post)