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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: grizzly1 on Thursday 16 May 13 21:45 BST (UK)
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trying to find a maiden name for Denis Farnan wife Ellen, they married circa 1895-7 they had a child Mary Ellen born Dublin 1906.
Any Farnan family info would be appreciated especially regs
NICHOLAS D-O-B 1809-1888
OR HIS WIFE MAIDEN NAME..MARGARET D-O-B 1818 -1881.
If any one else researching the Farnan family, I have some research material available.
thank you.
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Are you sure Mary Ellen was born in Dublin ?
There's an 1906 birth of a Mary Ellen Farnan on the BMD Index listed in Rathdrum ... Co. Wicklow
Best way to start the search might be with a cert for her, to confirm mother's maiden name
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they certainly moved around - this looks like the family (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Killadysert/Cahiracon/359661/) in Co. Clare in 1911, Denis and Ellen born Co. Kilkenny, Mary Ellen listed as born Dublin. Married 15 years, 3 children born, just the Mary Ellen still alive.
So marriage could possibly be Co. Kilkenny, Dublin or anywhere in between...
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think I was looking at the wrong Mary Ellen birth - this one in 1905 might fit better :
Name : Mary Ellen Farnan
Event Type : Birth
Quarter and Year : Apr-Jun 1905
Registration District : Dublin North
Volume : 2 / Page : 551
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the best fit for the marriage on the BMD Index I'm seeing is one in 1898 in Castlecomer district, which is the correct one for Ballyragget ... unfortunately at least two Ellens on the same page...
Name: Denis Farnan
Event Type : Marriage
Quarter and Year : Oct-Dec 1898
Registration District : Castlecomer
Volume : 3 / Page : 313
Ellen White, Ellen Phelan both have the same references as Denis..
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thanks shanew ive a lot of info on the family, I was finding Denis hard to pin down, I knew about him in Clare, as you say he seems to have moved around..he had anther brother James I believe who was in Dublin on 1911 census he may have been visiting.
The other members f family I believe to be Denis's siblings are.
Thomas d-o-b circa 1850s....think Thomas had daughter Bridget who married john doran 1896.
John 1855-1934 married kate downey..they had 8 children.
Nicholas d-o-b 1861-1931..i believe had a daughter Margaret .who died young 24
Mary d-o-b 1857-1881
Patrick d-o-b.??
William.????
Christopher??
Kieran??
wondering will this info help anyone..??
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could you tell me who denis father is on that cert shane?..I seem to recall a phelan link somewhere in my paperwork.
I can get mary ellens birth cert that will clear up her mother name and marriage cert.
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could you tell me who denis father is on that cert ...?
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that's the index record - you need marriage cert to see the rest of the details
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looking for some help with a.
NICHOLAS FARNAN born circa 1809-died 1888. Ballyraggert Kilkenny,married to a
MARGARET ? 1818-died 1881..dont know Margarets maiden name..the marriages all took place in the Knockroe/Castelcomer area of Kilkenny, the family seems to have lived all their lives in Ballyraggert..though some later emigrated to U.S mid to late 1800s.
I believe Nicholas had a least 2 brother and 1 sister,
JOHN born circa 1806
Bridget 1804 -1884
Thomas ??
Id be interested in NICHOLAS'S marriage details if possible, I believe I have his children's details/records.
any other details regards Nicholas or Thomas would be appreciated .
the search hasn't been made easy as there were several children named after grandfathers fathers
and uncles down through the generations, all thrown in with 2nd marriages.
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From a local survey "Householders 1906 Conahy Parish" there is a Nicholas Farnan in Clinstown. No other info given. Ballyragget Parish and Conahy Parish are adjacent. :)
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From a local survey "Householders 1906 Conahy Parish" there is a Nicholas Farnan in Clinstown. No other info given. Ballyragget Parish and Conahy Parish are adjacent. :)
yes those parish's all show up in the various certs I have, the address of Clintstown also show up in the census records.
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hi grizzly saw a list of FARNANS in transcriptions of Dunmore graveyard, Co Kilkenny. They are at www.from-ireland.net/free-gravestone-transcriptions/ This graveyard is situated between Kilkenny city and Ballyragget. Think there is something wrong about the dates of death - all 1905, prob got mixed up with a ref no? for something else. All the dates of death were 1905 in Bennettsbridge graveyard aswell!! conahy
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thanks conahy, I had come across that myself, thought it was a bit of a coincidence.
Im wondering now would the bodies have been exhumed and reburied in that graveyard for some reason in 1905??
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thanks conahy, I had come across that myself, thought it was a bit of a coincidence.
Im wondering now would the bodies have been exhumed and reburied in that graveyard for some reason in 1905??
No dont think it was anything like that. My own father died in 1993 and hes also down as 1905! (in Bennettsbridge) on "from-ireland.net" website aswell. conahy
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hi grizzly saw a list of FARNANS in transcriptions of Dunmore graveyard, Co Kilkenny. They are at www.from-ireland.net/free-gravestone-transcriptions/ This graveyard is situated between Kilkenny city and Ballyragget. Think there is something wrong about the dates of death - all 1905, prob got mixed up with a ref no? for something else. All the dates of death were 1905 in Bennettsbridge graveyard aswell!! conahy
:) Hi grizzly I read the Dunmore inscription today...Erected by Nicholas FARNAN of Knockroe in memory of his daughter Kate FARNAN who died 4th nov 1879 aged 16. Also Mary FARNAN who died 6th april 1881 aged 24. Also his beloved wife Margaret FARNAN alias HOYNE who died 21 Dec 1881 aged 66. Mrs J. FARNAN died 30th May 1926 aged 63 years. Her husband John died 7th Nov 1934 aged 79. Their daughter Mary died 16th Dec 1963 age 77. Rose died 6th Feb 1972 aged 84yrs. Also Michael FARNAN died 26 Dec 1974. James FARNAN 30..? 1978. The grave is situated close to the pedestrian exit to the carpark. conahy
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Conahy, cant thank you enough for that info, its more than I expected an should definitely tie up some looses ends..im based in Dublin, if you ever need anything similar checked out please don't hestitate to contact me..im in your debt.
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8) glad I was able to help and thanks for your offer grizzly. conahy
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It's a while since the last post on the above but I am just starting to look at the family tree. My Great Grandfather was John Farnan 1855 - 1934 and my grandfather was Nicholas 1885-1972 who moved to Cork in the early 1900s. I've seen the headstone in Dunmore and it would appear that Nicholas was my gt gt grandfather. I'm not sure where Margaret 1888 or Catherine 1895 moved to but I believe that Thomas 1890 moved to Dublin but that's as far as I got.
There seems to be a lot of Farnans between 1800 and 1900 and I've been trying to establish a link between them so any assistance would be appreciated
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From research I carried out for a Farnan relative here is some of the info I have to hand (at the moment)
John Farnan 1855-1934, Parents were Nicholas and Margaret,
Nicholas 1809-1888
Margaret 1818-1881
their children, Thomas 1853-1904 in McKeesport U.S.A.
Nicholas 1861-1931
Mary 1857-1881
Catherine 1863-1878.
Its possible that they also had Patrick-William-Christhopher-Kieran.
Thomas married a Bridget Keely circa 1873-4, their Children.
Denis 1875
Margaret born circa 1875 died 1879 aged 4.
Elizabeth born circa 1877 died 1879 aged 2.
Bridget born circa 1874.
Denis married Ellen Phelan 26-12-1898.
Its possible that other male members of the family travelled to the USA after the death of Nicholas and Margaret in the late 1880s some may have also settled in Northumberland in England.
I will look through my records for a more info and post later.
At moment im only working from notes, I have just moved home and am still sorting out bits and pieces.
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Sent you a Pm regs John Farnan grandaughter looking to make contact.
I have passed on her email address as she would love to make contact.
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Hi Grizzly
Thanks for your response. I will be delighted to contact them
Regards
Pat49
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http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0971
Nov 20 1856 There is a baptism for Mary. Parents Nicholas Farnan and Margaret H.? Address Knockroe
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635300#page/5/mode/1up
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from the book "Ossory Laois and Leinster" vol 1 page 122
Chapter :The 1821 census returns in the Carrigan manuscripts
Fearghus O Fearghail
Coolraheen Parish ( this later became part of Conahy Parish)
Swiftsheath
Thomas Downey 58 yrs, 50 acres, Margaret wife 57 yrs, Michael son 32 yrs, Richard son 32 yrs, John son 22 yrs, Catherine daughter 22 yrs, James son 18 yrs, Michael Farranan grandson 2 yrs
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From a local survey "Householders 1906 Conahy Parish" there is a Nicholas Farnan in Clinstown. No other info given. Ballyragget Parish and Conahy Parish are adjacent. :)
The Nicholas Farnan in Clinstown was my Great-Grandad. I'm not sure where he originated from but know that he was related to the Farnans in Knockroe. He's not the same Nicholas that was buried in Dunmore graveyard though. He married Alice Donnelly of Clinstown in 1886. She died in October 1917. They had one daughter only (Margaret, my grandmother, and she died in November 1971).
Our family has pictures of Alice but we don't know what he looked like nor even when he died. He didn't finish his days in Clinstown and none of the family seems to know where he went to after that either.
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trying to find a maiden name for Denis Farnan wife Ellen, they married circa 1895-7 they had a child Mary Ellen born Dublin 1906.
Any Farnan family info would be appreciated especially regs
NICHOLAS D-O-B 1809-1888
OR HIS WIFE MAIDEN NAME..MARGARET D-O-B 1818 -1881.
If any one else researching the Farnan family, I have some research material available.
thank you.
From what I can gather, Nicholas Farnan was my great-great-grandad. He died in 1888 in the workhouse in Castlecomer. His son was also Nicholas. It seems to make sense that we're talking about the same Nicholas (d.1888) because my great-grandad married Alice Donnelly (died 1917) and their daughter was also Margaret.
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Hi there,
I realise this thread is years old but I'm hoping there is still some Farnan relatives on this and might see this message.
I'm trying to trace my great-grandmother who is related to the Knockroe Farnans if anyone could help that would be great!
There are so many Farnans in that Ballyragget/Castlecomer area and with the same names that it gets very confusing.
Here's hoping someone can help :)
*fingers crossed*
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You need to give her names and dates.
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Erected by Nicholas FARNAN of Knockroe in memory of his daughter Kate FARNAN who died 4th nov 1879 aged 16. Also Mary FARNAN who died 6th april 1881 aged 24. Also his beloved wife Margaret FARNAN alias HOYNE who died 21 Dec 1881 aged 66. Mrs J. FARNAN died 30th May 1926 aged 63 years. Her husband John died 7th Nov 1934 aged 79. Their daughter Mary died 16th Dec 1963 age 77. Rose died 6th Feb 1972 aged 84yrs.
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Mary Farnan - 4 April 1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06438/4850019.pdf
Margaret Farnan 1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06421/4844489.pdf
Kate Farnan 1926
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1926/04994/4362794.pdf
John Farnan 1934
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1934/04834/4303377.pdf
Mary Farnan 1963
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1963/04276/4099364.pdf
Rose Farnan 1972
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1972/04114/4042597.pdf
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Catherine 1863-1878.
Catherine Farnan born 3 January 1864 at Knockroe.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03625/2338585.pdf
She died on 4 November 1878 aged 15 yrs of phthisis.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020493/7191288.pdf
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The Nicholas Farnan in Clinstown was my Great-Grandad. I'm not sure where he originated from but know that he was related to the Farnans in Knockroe.
He married Alice Donnelly of Clinstown in 1886. She died in October 1917. They had one daughter only (Margaret, my grandmother, and she died in November 1971).
Nicholas FARNAN married Alice DONNELLY on 25 February 1886 at Connahy RC Church near Ballyragget, Co Kilkenny. He was living at Knockroe townland. Alice living at Clinstown townland.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10829/5949785.pdf
Alice Farnan died on 22 October 1917 aged 69 yrs. Her daughter Margaret Coady was the informant.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05201/4437373.pdf
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Margaret (born as Kate) Farnan on 20 August 1892 at Clinstown.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02334/1873705.pdf
1901 census - Farnan (Margarette aged 8 yrs)
House 6 in Clintstown (Coolcraheen, Kilkenny).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Coolcraheen/Clintstown/1448118/
Margaret Farnan married Martin Coady on 11 July 1916.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09788/5553351.pdf
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Margaret Farnan married Martin Coady on 11 July 1916.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09788/5553351.pdf
Children born to Coady/Farnan marriage-
William 1917, Stephen 1919, Alice 1921 & Margaret 1922
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tfs/
Alice Cody married to John Dalton - Conahy RC Church - 21 February 1944. Her sister Margaret Cody a witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1944/08760/5166133.pdf
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Many thanks for the replies.
I'm trying to trace a Mary Farnan from Knockroe born in 1886 to John Farnan and Catherine Downey I believe. However she is not the Mary Farnan buried in Dunmore age 77 as she was 86 when she died and family believe she is buried in Thomastown.
So maybe she is not a daughter of John & Catherine???
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If I understand correctly you are looking for the death and grave of Mary Farnan
Born 1886
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02602/1960956.pdf
1911
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Ballyragget/Knockroe/564972/
Are you sure she never married or is this the same Mary who married Richard Walsh?
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If I understand correctly you are looking for the death and grave of Mary Farnan
Born 1886
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02602/1960956.pdf
1911
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Ballyragget/Knockroe/564972/
Are you sure she never married or is this the same Mary who married Richard Walsh?
Thank you Sinann, yes this is the same Mary Farnan who married Richard Walsh in 1921:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09220/5335865.pdf
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So the Mary Farnan 77 buried in Dunmore is a Mary Walsh nee ?. Yes?
But your looking for a Mary Walsh nee Farnan buried in Thomastown aged 86
Have you any idea when these women died? We might be able to find their death certs which might clear up which is yours.
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Thank you Sinann, yes this is the same Mary Farnan who married Richard Walsh in 1921:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09220/5335865.pdf
So her father John is not mentioned on the marriage record, and no occupation recorded.
Instead there's a Latin phrase 'Filia ??'
Strange!
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Sounds like she didnt know who her father was.
I think this is a likely death in 1963 for John and Kates daughter Mary, the age is a bit out but the address is okay and she worked on the family farm.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1963/04276/4099364.pdf
I wonder if the girl who married Richard could be this girl
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Mothell/Coan_East/566376/
The wife Bridget is nee Farnan, her father was Thomas.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10492/5821200.pdf
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See the 1963 death record at reply #27
KG
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Exactly Mrs J Farnan is Kate, so her daughter Mary cant have married Richard.
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This is the other Mary in 1901
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Coolcraheen/Shanganny/1448157/
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Margaret Farnan married Martin Coady on 11 July 1916.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09788/5553351.pdf
Children born to Coady/Farnan marriage-
William 1917, Stephen 1919, Alice 1921 & Margaret 1922
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tfs/
Alice Cody married to John Dalton - Conahy RC Church - 21 February 1944. Her sister Margaret Cody a witness.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1944/08760/5166133.pdf
You've certainly been doing a LOT of research ;) The Margaret Cody you mentioned here was my own mother.