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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: miggs 191 on Thursday 16 May 13 00:51 BST (UK)
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Does any one have any info on The Pelican Inn Devizes? I believe from various directories that Horatio Nelson Perry owned and ran it but the census record shows him in Southbroom. I think his father around 1820 was William Perry.Is there any way I can check this.Thanks. M Inn
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Can you add a little detail that might help someone look for info?
When was HNP born?
When you say "his father around 1820 was William Perry" do you mean that was WP's approx date of birth?
The GRO index shows
- two deaths for the name Horatio Nelson Perry in Devizes: 1844 and 1853
- a birth for that name in 1850 in Bath -- and that person seems (from the censuses, a chemist) to have married in 1884 in Gravesend and then died there in 1909
- marriages for that name in 1846 Leicester, 1876 Burton, 1894 Farnham
Can you give details of the census record in Southbroom? (It doesn't seem to be a census location until 1901.)
In 1881 there was a Morris family at the Pelican Inn in Devizes St John.
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Hi
Horatio Nelson Perry
Pigots 1830 page 799
Pelican, Market Place, Devizes
Was this one of your "various directories"?
Ray
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There is some information on the Pelican here
http://www.devizesheritage.org.uk/inns.html
William Perry was recorded as landlord in 1818
Jan ;)
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The 1830 one could be the one married to Sarah, born c1799. In 1841 he was a farmer in Bishops Canning. This is probably his will, 1853:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details/D30813?descriptiontype=Full&ref=PROB+11/2174/322
He married a Sarah Perry daughter of Thomas, but his father's name is not stated here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N6RN-Q3F
I think the one who died in 1844 was probably that one's son who is in the 1841 census.
Of course, there could have been another HNP who died before 1837.
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Southbroom House? Southbroom Farm? Southbroom Cottage?
Was the Royal Oak renamed the Pelican?
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The 1841 census seems to say Southbroom farm house, for both the Horatio and Sarah Perry household and the John and Priscilla Berry household just before them.
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Thank you all for a great response. This all sounds very positive. Now 12:10 at night and my brain is addled! Will get back to you all later when I have had a chance to sort through the bits of info.
:)
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In case any of ollowing snippets help:
Horatio Nelson Perry, son of Thomas & Mary Perry christened 31st December 1798
(Christened with brother George Baker Perry)
Horatio Nelson Perry married Sarah, daughter of William Perry of Bishops Canning, at St Johns, Devizes on 11th April 1821.
Christenings at St Johns Devizes
20 Jan 1823 Thomas Perry born 1st November 1822 son of Horatio Nelson Perry (post chaise driver) and Sarah
5 July 1825 Sarah Eliza Ann Perry born 3rd November 1824 son of Horatio Nelson Perry (victualler) and Sarah
14 Jan 1833 Mary Perry born born 22nd Dec 1829 daughter of Horatio Nelson Perry and Sarah.
14 Jan 1833 Elizabeth Perry born 14th Feb 1832 daughter of Horatio Nelson Perry and Sarah.
Christening at St James, Southbroom
30th June 1839 Horatio Nelson Perry born 6th March 1834 son of Horatio Nelson Perry and Sarah
25th January 1842 Fanny Perry daughter of Horatio Nelson Perry & Sarah
The eldest son of Mr Perry of the Pelican Inn, Devizes died on 28th September 1837.
(Death of a Thomas Perry registered Devizes December 1837)
In 1840 Horatio Nelson Perry advertised that, after many years, he was retiring from business at The Pelican, Devizes. The business, together with his Fly & Gig business would be continued by Wm Joyce. H.N.P would continue his Waggon & Van business as before.
The vans of Mr H N Perry were still running in 1852
1841 Census
?, Devizes
Horatio Perry 40 Farmer Y
Sarah Perry 40 Y
Sarah Perry 15 Y
Mary Perry 11 Y
Elizth Perry 10 Y
Horatio Perry 7 Y
In 1844 Horatio Nelson Perry, Sarah Ann Eliza Perry (presumably his daughter) and a Eliza Sawyer were in partnership as haberdashers in Marlborough. Sawyer left partnership.
Death of a Horatio Nelson Perry registered Devizes June 1844 [son?]
Sarah, eldest daughter of Horatio Nelson Perry, of Spital Croft, Devizes married Alfred William Bane, son of Thomas Bane, at St Peters, Marlborough, on 11th May 1846
Mary, second daughter of H N Perry, of Spitalcroft, married R Perry, chemist of Bath, on 29th July 1848 at the chapelry of St John, Devizes green.
In 1849 Horatio Nelson Perry gave up dairy farming at Spittle Croft Farm, Devizes and his livestock was auctioned off.
1851 Census
Devizes Green
Horatio N Perry Head 52 Carrier Devizes
Sarah Perry Wife 50 ?
Elizabeth Perry Dau 18 Devizes
Fanny Perry Dau 9 Devizes
Horatio Nelson Perry died at Spittal Croft, Devizes, aged 55, on 1st March 1853
Fanny, youngest daughter of late Horatio Nelson Perry of Devizes, married Theodore Royle, eldest son of W.R Royle of Ludgate Hill and Gibson Square, Islington, on 3rd September 1867 at St Johns, Devizes.
Sarah, relict of Horatio Nelson Perry, died at New Southgate, London, aged 69, died 23rd March 1871
Horatio Nelson Perry was the brother of Mr Thomas Perry of the Bell Inn, Devizes Green.
Thomas Perry left the Bell Inn, Devizes Green in 1826
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Dave Jones,
Thank you.
I know that a Perry married a Perry and also that they ran The Pelican along with coaches etc to Bath so this also makes sense. They were married into the Banes of Marlborough as the next generation married there! They were then Perry Bane and chemists.
I think I can get my head around it now.
All very difficult as very,very elderly family members have info.and have forgotten or not sure where it is etc!
I get bits and am trying to join the ends together.You have been a great help.Manny thanks.
My next job is to find out what happened to William J Perry declared dead ,presumed eaten by sharks having jumped ship off the Port of Natal South Africa.
We have info in legal declarations .I thought he was a son of William who owned The Pelican but that is NOT right obviously. As this declaration was through chancery and signed off around 1860 I'm not sure where he fits.Also where John Perry born 1819 in Devizes fits? All the info I thought the relatives had given me doesn't seem correct.Hey Ho that's what genealogy is all about! :) :)
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I have Perrys in my tree involved with pubs in Wiltshire - don't know if they are connected. Elizabeth Perry married George Killard and he was shown as 'Publican' in High St, Malmsbury 1841 Census, and as "Inn Keeper" of The Bell Inn, Yatton Keynell in 1851. Elizabeth's brother James Perry (married Frances Cole - her father was Inn Keeper of 'Red Lion' Yatton Keynell) was proprieter of 'Cardiff Arms' pub in 1871, and in 1881 was proprieter of "Queens Hotel" Cardiff. Just thought I'd throw this into the mix in case of a Perry connection.
Kina
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Kina,
Sorry don't recognise any of those links.All ours appear to be in Devizes.The Bell,The Castle and The Pelican and perhaps a couple more through marriage.No proof but it was almost as if by marrying between each other they controlled the business!
Good luck with your search. :)
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To all who have offered help on this thread.
I have inherited a huge amount of research started in 1946 !
I can now understand the Perys of The Pelican who move to Southbroom after receiving a large inheritance. It is complicated by Perys marrying Perys but the inheritance includes a large family tree. At the moment I am trying to double check this with evidence.
If there are any Perrys out there from Devizes you may be linked to mine !
I also now have info as to whom some are interemarried to. I hope this may be of help to someone. Please ask if you think you may be related to the Perrys of Southbroom and previously of The Pelican. :) :) :)
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I'm just looking at who worked in the Pelican in Devizes in the past and came across your interesting contribution. If some of this needs correcting or you have more details, please let me know.
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These are from local directories:
e.g Pigots 1822 ref : http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/Items/Devizes/Devizes%20-%20Pigots%201822.pdf
Current Location 1822 1830 1842 1855
9 Market Place
Pelican Inn Wm. Perry Horatio Nelson William Joyce John Howse
Perry
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I know that Thomas Perry was an innkeeper in 1793-8 (It may have been the pelican but can't prove it yet). However from
http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/Items/Southbroom/Southbroom%20-%20Baptisms%201775-1799.pdf
Thomas Perry was the father of Horatio Nelson Perry (see 29th jan 1798 baptism).
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PS Southbroom is next to the Green in Devizes 3 roads east of Market Place.
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Hi Michael ,
Great to hear from you. Horatio Nelson Perry is one of my ancestors as is Thomas Perry.
I have inherited a huge amount of historical research that began in 1946 by my Aunt who was joined by my father around 1955. Our direct ancestor is William Perry . Their lives and history are truly amazing. I became involved in supporting their research around twenty years ago and am now trying to correlate the two into one !
How are you linked to the Perrys ?
Look forward to hearing from you. As I now own the research I am willing to share and give you info on links.
Maggie