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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Dhoneybee on Friday 10 June 05 00:39 BST (UK)
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Please would someone look up in the 1841 Middlesex census, James William DIX in Edmonton, Middlesex, he was born abt. 1825.
Many thanks. Debbie
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Debbie
did you find him?
if not............
where was he born?
does he have siblings?
do you know his parents names?
did he marry? if so.........when and to whom?
when did he die?
anything else you can tell us to assist the lookup?
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Thank you so much for replying. I did look in the 1841 census eventually but could not determine which James Dix was the right one, there were 2 of them that could have been him. He was born in Edmonton Middlesex according to every other census between 1821 - 1826 and he married an Elizabeth/Betsy Hawkins from Hichin Herts. I cannot find a record of marriage but it was after the 1851 census was taken. Their first child was born in 1852 but of course they could have married any time. He died on March 15th 1883 at St Albans, it was in the Herts Advertiser and I have a copy of the death cert. Betsy was dead by then as a daughter whom I think was Anne Dix but was named as Anny Hendson from Tottenham attended the death. James & Betsy had 11 children. And that's all i know about him.
Debbie
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gobligook
Bryant
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Hi Bryant,
Thank you for your help. The child born in 1852 was Emily Caroline Dix often known as Caroline. All of the children were born in St Albans, Herts.
In 1851 James was single and living alone in St Albans, Herts on St Peters Street. He is 25 and a painter.
In 1861 he is shown as James W. Dix living with Elizabeth Dix and children Eliza, Emily C, Henry, James W., & John E in St Albans. This is the only time Betsy is shown as Elizabeth and the only time she is shown as being born in St Albans, Herts. I can only conclude that someone else other that Betsy answered the census. James is shown as being born in Edmonton Middlesex. As I said he always gave Edmonton as his place of birth. I have found other Dix families in Edmonton but cannot link him to them. And the name is definately Dix but is sometimes spelt as Dicks.
Thanks, Debbie
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I see him now.............
1881
4 WADDINGTON YARD, ST ALBANS ST PETER, HERTFORD
JAMES WILLIAM DIX 60 head PRINTER EDMONTON, LONDON
BETSY " 46 wife HITCHIN, HERTS
WALTER " 10 ST ALBANS, "
ELLEN " 6 ST PETER, "
HENRIETTA " 10 (grandaur) ST ALBANS, "
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1861
FISHPOOL STREET, ST ALBANS, HERTS
JAMES W DIX HEAD 36 PAINTER FOREMAN EDMONTON, MIDDX
ELIZABETH " WIFE 30 ST ALBANS
EMILY C " DAUR 9 "
HENRY " SON 6 "
ELIZA " DAUR 4 "
JAMES W " SON 2 "
JOHN E " " 2 MONTHS "
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*so Elizabeth is aging really well from 1861 to 1881..........is she the same Eliza/Betsy (not impossible!)
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more gobligook
Bryant
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Thank you Bryant. I think I will try to get one of the childrens birth early birth certs to see if I can get the mothers name. My ggrandfather was Walter Andrew Dix and his other is shown as Betsy Hawkins on his birth cert. Your point about Elizabeth & Betsy maybe being 2 different people is a good one - thanks for giving it a fresh eye.
Debbie
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getting carried away with gobligook.....
Bryant
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Hi Bryant, you are uncovering interesting stuff!
No any Dix family from Ampthill are not (at least I believe) the family of James. I did spend time following many of these families and can to the conclusion that they are not related. But of course I could be wrong :-[ However, I did come across a DIX family in Holborn who could be related. And as I mentioned I went through the BMD records looking for DIX members in Edmonton and there were definately some there but I cannot make the link. I should perhaps go back and explore that further.
Perhaps Henrietta is from another child that I haven't found yet. I do know that Emily Caroline was the mother of Frances Lilian born 1881, no father shown.
All of the women were at some time occupied as straw bonnet makers on Fishpool Street where several large straw hat factories were situated. My grandfather had mentioned that to me.
Ok I looked at the 1851 census and cannot find a Mary that fits born in Bucks do I will have to spend more time on it .
I think it's back to the drawing board for me!
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Iv'e been chasing the wrong family halfway across the Country......... :'( the one below looks more promising :)
James said he was 60 in 1881........which would make him 20 in 1841 ::)
Why did this James get overlooked? .........James must be the brother of William!
1841
OLD GREEN, DRAGON LANE, EDMONTON, WINCHMORE HILL, MIDDX
WILLIAM DICKS 25 LAB Y (BORN MIDDX)
SOPHIA " 25 Y
JULIA " 4 Y
GEORGE " 2 Y
WILLIAM " 1 Y
JAMES " 20 Y
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This marriage looking the likely one...............
WILLIAM DIX to SOPHIA ALLOWAY............22ND May 1836....ST ANDREW, ENFIELD the cert would provide father's name & occupation, as well as witnesses!
1861
CHASE SIDE, WINCHMORE HILL, EDMONTON, MIDDLESEX
SOPHIA DICKS HEAD 47 (WID) ENFIELD
GEORGE " SON 22 WINCHMORE HILL
ANN " DAUR 17 "
PHOEBE " " 12 "
EMILY " " 10 "
JAMES " SON 7 "
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THE 1851 CENSUS DETAILS FOR THE FAMILY ABOVE WOULD BE HELPFUL IF ANYONE CAN PROVIDE THEM .......PLEASE
Bryant
ps...............my daughter gave birth to twins overnight........a boy and a girl
and iv'e just been mugged again to pay for baby clothes as she didn't wish to know the sex of the twins prior to birth............I knew I was good for something!
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;D Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!! Twins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Don't know why I overlooked this James.............I've been through my notes but can't find any notes saying why. But you are right it certainly looks as if this is the family..............by jove Bryant I think you cracked it ;D I'll send for the cert.
Many thanks again.
If I can return the favor with any lookups let me know.
Debbie