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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Rosinish on Monday 13 May 13 16:08 BST (UK)
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Hi,
This is taken from 1861 census.
The place clearly states "County" but the rest is a mystery. The best I could come up with was Stratham/Heatham/Meatham/Heathlane and have gone over it 1000 times & tried all ways of finding out what it actually reads from lists of counties in Ireland but I'm at a loss.
The husband above was from Donegal if that helps as it may be around that area & my Irish geography is minus zero ::)
Any help would be much appreciated,
Regards,
A. M.
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This might help:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/counties.html
Carol
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The first one I think is Co. Donegal and the second I can only get Co. Strath?????
James
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Hi macintosh,
I did say I have the Donegal bit to help as the other could be an area near there. According to what I have on census, the 1st couple of kids were born in Ireland so hoped they met close to home which in this instance would be Donegal.
A. M.
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It's County Stratham...just seen it on A***y.
Carol
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Hi Teetotal,
I have been through numerous lists of names including genuki but having no knowledge of Irish places I can't convert what I think I'm seeing to what it could be if you understand my meaning. I have been trying to find this for possibly 10 yrs and the very nearest for me with names was STRABANE if that's how it's spelled? but doesn't really look like that.
A. M.
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It looks like 'Stratham' to me but if it's a County, where is it in Ireland 'cos I'm not seeing it listed?
???
Maggie
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I got it from ancestry. If Stratham is right and not a blunder why can I not find it anywhere as I would like to know where it is so I can search for a marriage & births. Can you tell me where that is please in distance from Donegal or where it's near?
Regards,
A. M.
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Has it possibly been a County that was once but now amalgamated with another and possibly changed name?
It's been an ongoing thing all these yrs & now I have finally given up as I was getting nowhere.
A. M.
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Ireland has had 32 counties for a very long time!
The only 2 to have changed their names were:
Kings County - now called Offaly
Queens County - now called Laios
It looks, to me, more like Strathbane? but that's in Scotland!!
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Hi KG,
I was close with thinking Strabane then so it's not my eyes deceiving me after all. Will check the scottish place out though as my ggrandfather, their son was born Scotland and 1 census stipulated Glasgow?
Regards,
A. M.
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Hello,
do you have Hannah's maiden name? Did they marry in Manchester?
regards
heywood
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Checked that one out. Definitely not Strathbane, a wee unknown place in Argyll nor Strathblane which is a wee village in Stirling.
Looks like I'm never likely to find out where it is. I've tried everything in my head, wondering what it would sound like with their Irish accent that the enumerator would think they were saying but not managed to come up with an answer that would be a possible fit.
So any other ideas bearing in mind the accent, I would be glad to consider.
A. M
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Could it be Strabane in County Tyrone?
Carol
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Hello,
do you have Hannah's maiden name? Did they marry in Manchester?
regards
heywood
Hi Heywood,
Unfortunately no, that is what my aim is. I can't find my ggrandfather's birth yet to determine it. There are so many variants of the surname Mellon. 1851 census they were down as "Mellow" - one I'd never have considered.
However, they did live in Manchester and 2 of their kids were born there so that sounds promising and I'm all ears :P
Regards,
A. M.
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Will check the scottish place out though as my ggrandfather, their son was born Scotland and 1 census stipulated Glasgow?
There is a Strathblane on the northern outskirts of Glasgow.
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Hello,
ignore the marriage ::) wrong couple.
It was just that the 1851 had older children and a young Hannah, I thought she may be the second wife.
heywood
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Hi Carol,
I did mention earlier it looked to me to be a close fit for Strabane but the more I look it seems there's a definite "th" & maybe an "l" also the 1st letter is looking more not to be an "S". I've studied it that often till my eyes are sore but to this day it remains a mystery.
If my ggrandfather was born in Scotland for definite and christened or baptised then I should pick him up at some point with the variants but it will be when I'm a bit more flush :)
I have never found any of them on an 1871 census to date either.
A. M.
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Just adding link to Scottish post www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,646689.msg4934487/boardseen.html#new
Family look to be Roman Catholic which will make it trickier re records pre start of official registration, in Ireland as elsewhere
Michael's parents look to be James Mellon (with all its spellings) and mother Hannah Toland. Have now found Michael' RC birth/baptims.
Doesn't help with where James and Hannah were from but at least confirmation of Michael's mother maiden name and his birth details.
Monica
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Hello,
ignore the marriage ::) wrong couple.
It was just that the 1851 had older children and a young Hannah, I thought she may be the second wife.
heywood
I did notice the age thing. She was 21 and her eldest son 9? Think it was a case of guessing to be honest. In 1861 she's 34. I must take after her, looking young for my age ::)
A. M.
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Have you looked at this birth for mother's name:
Ann Mellon June 1850 Manchester volume 20 page 739
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Just adding link to Scottish post www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,646689.msg4934487/boardseen.html#new
Family look to be Roman Catholic which will make it trickier re records pre start of official registration, in Ireland as elsewhere
Michael's parents look to be James Mellon (with all its spellings) and mother Hannah Toland. Have now found Michael' RC birth/baptims.
Doesn't help with where James and Hannah were from but at least confirmation of Michael's mother maiden name and his birth details.
Monica
Blimey Monica,
Wow and I know before I even dig any further you are so right - Here's your MEDAL!!!! Michael and Annie had a son Albert Tolland & I had always wondered where Tolland originated. You're a genuis & thanks. I'm over the moon & can't wait to inform my aunt who's still alive in her 70's.
Regards,
Anne Marie.
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There is a marriage for James Melon and Hannah Toland in Donegal in 1845 on www.rootsireland.ie. No sign of children on this website so they may have emigrated soon after their marriage. This is a pay per view website but I can have a look for the marriage for you if you like in the Dublin National library.
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http://donegal.rootsireland.ie/ has a marriage for James Melon and Hannah Toland. It is a pay site but the free index shows it for 1845.
Sorry - didn't notice your post murney.
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We are running along on two posts which gets confusing :P
Just adding link to the deciphering post thread for background www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,646780.0.html
Murney, that is a great potential find! Given the year, I am thinking that Hannah Toland was a second wife of James Mellon, specially looking at the ages of James and Hannah in the 1851 census in Lancashire linked above. If the marriage you found is 1847, the Michael b in Glasgow in 1848 likely the first child from this marriage. Dates and years that we have seen so far would all look to more or less fit with that.
Monica
Added: Getting confused ;) Marriage being cited was in 1845.
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A tree on A*****y has a James Mellon marrying Hannah McKeon
Carol
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Thanks treetotal,
Will check that out too as I'm needing fed and on roots.ie just now.
Only today did I discover Michael had older brother's. The name on 1851 was "Mellow". I only knew he had 2 younger sister's so I could have got the key to pandora's box now :)
Regards,
Anne Marie.
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Hi Monica,
Murney is going to look at the marriage for me which is fab. Meanwhile, where did you see Michael's birth & how was the surname spelled as I didn't find it on SP unless it hadn't been added yet?
Regards,
A. M.
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Ann Marie, are you searching on the Old Parish Registers or the Catholic Registers (Births & Baptisms) on SP? It is the Catholic Registers you need to look at. Both show on the l/h links of the search page on SP.
6 June 1848/13 July 1848, Michael Mellon to parents James Mellon and Hannah Toland at St Andrew's in Glasgow.
Monica
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Hi,
This is taken from 1861 census.
The place clearly states "County" but the rest is a mystery. The best I could come up with was Stratham/Heatham/Meatham/Heathlane and have gone over it 1000 times & tried all ways of finding out what it actually reads from lists of counties in Ireland but I'm at a loss.
The husband above was from Donegal if that helps as it may be around that area & my Irish geography is minus zero ::)
Any help would be much appreciated,
Regards,
A. M.
To me, looks like County Monaghan.
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Hi Anne Marie
Taken from the Roman Catholic Parish of Clonleigh and Camus (Strabane) (Diocese of Derry) :
6 November 1845 James Melon married Hannah Toland of Strabane. No witnesses.
The microfilm was very hard to read but I believe I have the right day and month. It is very rare to see no witnesses' names given, but there were a few other marriages on the same page where there were no witnesses.
It is a bit misleading that rootsireland have the marriage in Donegal only as the parish of Clonleigh and Camus straddles both the counties of Donegal and Tyrone. As you know, Strabane is in Co Tyrone which is very close to the border of Donegal. So, Hannah was from Strabane town and not County as the Enumerator had it on the census page (a mistake easily made by somebody who doesn't know the geography of Ireland and James was from Co. Donegal. He had possibly moved to Strabane as it was a large town and he could find work there. I had a look for any children born after 1845 but unfortunately, the only baptisms recorded for that parish were from 1773 – 1795, 1836 - 1837 and 1853 - 1879 which is very disappointing as you won’t be able to find Hannah’s baptism either.
As a matter of interest, there were quite a few Tolands/Tolans found in that parish register.
Regards
Deirdre