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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Rosinish on Sunday 12 May 13 18:53 BST (UK)
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Hi,
My ggrandfather Michael Mellon b 1849-1855 supposedly Glasgow but maybe Ireland depending on census.
His father was James Mellon but mother unknown. Yet to find a birth.
He married my ggrandmother Jane Ann Donohoe (many variants) in 1891 in Newcastle-upon-Tyne as a widower.
His occupation was a French Polisher.
The 1891 census (prior to marrying my ggrandmother) has him living in Forster's Court, All Saints, N/Castle as a widower with 3 sons all born Scotland?
Michael c1879
John c1881
Patrick c 1885
I can't find anything to ascertain his existence prior to 1891 except for 1861 where he (if it's him) was with his parents James a Cabinet Maker & mother Hannah?
There are 2 siblings Ann & Catherine.
James (the father) was listed as a French Polisher on Michaels wedding cert. which leads me to think this is his parents.
However, I have nothing else regarding birth nor any other census for him. I have checked all his sons names on SP and came up blank.
I realise there are numerous variants as to the spelling so I am turning to roootschat in the hope that someone will recognise these names as I would be grateful to find out more about him.
I know he moved to Ireland with my ggrandmother sometime aft 1911 as he is with my ggrandmother in Newcastle-upon-Tyne still a French Polisher.
He died after 1931 in Belfast as he was still alive when my grandmother Annie Richardson Mellon was married & still a French Polisher.
Any advance on this would be most welcome.
Regards,
Anne Marie.
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I have just checked 360,000 records in the three main Belfast cemeteries below and even using * and looking for soundex surnames he is not buried/cremated at any of those...only two came up a 28yr in 1881 old and a 19 hour old in 1976
Belfast City Cemetery - records from 1869 (including the Jewish, public and Glenalina extension sections)
Roselawn Cemetery - records from 1954
Dundonald Cemetery - records from 1905.
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There is a Scottish 1881 entry for a Michael Millan aged 3 b Ireland and John Millan aged 9mths b Dundee who are both shown as boarders in Angus with a Mary Casey
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Scotlands People has a Patrick Millan birth in 1886 - there is no Scottish 1891 entry for him
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Thanks iluleah & Carole,
I have looked at the 1891 & the kids were born Scotland (no specifics). Ideally, I need to find what I think could be Michael 1st as I don't know his 1st wife's forname & haven't managed to find them to date.
As Michael was a widow in 1891 & his youngest son was b c1885, the wife died 1885 - 1891 but I haven't found a death yet.
Regards,
A. M.
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The other thing, if Michael's mother was the Hannah I mentioned 1861, I haven't found her death either in England.
A.M.
Talk about a rolling stone ::)
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Have you seen my reply above re: Patrick. It needs checking out on SP
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Hi Carole,
Yes & thanks, I'm going through the SP's I have already looked at first.
A. M.
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Was your grandmother Annie's married name Jude?
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Hi Carole & aghadowey,
No Patrick with spelling Millan closest was Peter - 1906.
Yes - Annie Jude (nee Mellon), was my grandmother. Her parents were Michael & his wife Jane Ann (d 30 Jun 1932) my ggrandmother.
I can't trace Michael other than what I have written here & that's it lock, stock & barrell? I think he maybe travelled around in his job but to where is the question? ;D
A. M.
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Dundonald Cemetery-
Jane Ann Mellon, age 61, 30 Redcliffe Dr., died 30 June 1932
Frederick Jude, age 47, of Ballyoran Terrace Portadown, died 2 Aug.1947 Lurgan District Hospital
Annie R. Jude, age 47, of 5 Ballyoran Terrace Ballyoran Portadown, died 5 May 1948 Lurgan & Portadown District Hospital Lurgan Co Armagh
Michael doesn't seem to be buried either in the plot or Dundonald itself. Are you sure he was alive in 1931? (marriage certificates don't always indicate father is deceased).
Wonder about this death...
Michael Mellon, age 72 (born c1848), Oct./Dec.1920 Belfast registration district, volume 1 page 103
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I have all that info. the forum gave me a while ago. The only reason I assumed him to be alive in 1931 was the fact that he wasn't declared deceased on Annie R's wed cert.
Thanks for that death info. though as it's a positive given the area & the age fits too..............well with the rough dates I have from census.
The 1861 gave James Mellon (Michael's dad) from Donegal & the mother Hannah from County Stratham/Heatham/Meatham??? Very hard to read but I've never found what it should read to date.
A. M.
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This is where they were from. Donegal isn't spelled correctly either but I knew what it was meant to be. The other is a mystery.
A. M.
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No Patrick with spelling Millan closest was Peter - 1906.
On the SP Stautory Births index - I input as follows:
Surname = Millan
Surname Options = Exact surnames only
Forename = Patrick
Surname Options = Exact forenames only
Sex = male
Year range = 1886 - 1886
County/City/Minor Records = all records
District = All districts
One match showed so I don't know why you are unable to find it
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Just checked to see what was what. Last search I done must have been Angus area and I must have forgot to switch area off. Will go for it now.
Cheers,
A. M.
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Hi Carole,
This Patrick has father Michael but occ. a Miner so I think this is may be a no sadly? Reason being, his profession was a French Polisher but I'm not discounting it completely as anything is possible given the area Blantyre & mining being prolific, I have an open mind.
I have had a look at the 1891 census yet again and as he was Head & Widower, he would have been the one giving the info. to the enumerator as to where born etc. and this is the one which I was prone to go by along with the 1861 with who I think are his parents & both of them say Scotland - 1861 specifies Glasgow so my next thing yet again back to ancestry to trawl all variants & see what I can find with Mellin, Mellan, Mallon, Mallen etc. etc. & hope that the mother's name "Hannah/Sarah/Una" helps, bearing in mind the parents were Irish & gaelic so variants for Hannah.
Michaels siblings Ann c1850 & Catherine c1853 both Manchester so yet again try and pinpoint them in 1851.
I was hoping though that someone would recognise the names but alas...................
Thanks for help though, much appreciated.
A. M.
P.S. Will post on other forum copy of census area for someone to decipher it which would be a help as I may be able to pick up a marriage eventually.
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This Patrick has father Michael but occ. a Miner so I think this is may be a no sadly?
Hi A.M.
From the birth cert you viewed, what was the name of the mother showing on the cert? What were the marriage details showing on the cert?
Monica :)
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There is a Scottish 1881 entry for a Michael Millan aged 3 b Ireland and John Millan aged 9mths b Dundee who are both shown as boarders in Angus with a Mary Casey
Did you follow through on this suggestion by Carole....seems to fit well with what you are looking for. Would be worth checking Mary Casey's marital status on this 1881 census...
There is a marriage between a Michael Mellon and a Mary Casey in 1873 - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTVD-L9D Looking at this on SP would let you confirm Michael's father.
The fact that Mary Casey showed under her maiden name on the 1881 census is not unusual in Scotland. Married women never by law 'lost' their maiden name. This is the reason the married women's maiden name is often noted (also on gravestones for example).
Looks like, I think, the couple travelled back and forth.
There is this entry in 1877 in Ireland for a James, son, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG6V-5FW
Michael Jnr. also looks to also be Irish born rather than Scottish - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPT6-M5V
After their birth, the family (without Michael Snr.) show back in Dundee for the 1881 census from what Carole found earlier.
Re deaths, can't easily see one that would fit for Mary Casey Mellon in Scotland (you can search with both surnames on SP which helps a lot) but saw this in the first quarter of 1891 in reg district, Newcastle upon Tyne, the death of a Mary Mellon aged 34, b. 1858 (vol. 10b, pg. 85).
Monica
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Hi Monica,
I did search for a birth Dundee as was on the census Carole mentioned but couldn't find one so that looks to be an enumerator error (re. the spelling).
This birth is Patrick Mellin b 13 Feb 1886 at Macalpen's? Buildings, Stonefield, Blantyre, mother Mary Jane Butten/Batton? wed 5th Feb 1872 Airdrie.
However, I think I have struck gold now!!!! ;D
My latest find is:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8860&iid=30859_A008105-00335&fn=James&ln=Mellow&st=r&ssrc=&pid=36224970
1851 James & Hannah with kids John, James, Michael & Ann, he's a Cabinet Maker & Michael b Scotland but wait for it.........................surname Mellow!!! ;D
The writer had a loop on the "n" which looks like "w"
Anne Marie
I'm like a kid in a sweetshop now :)
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Michael's age on this is 2 so b 1849 & that's the nearest I could get from any record as the rest varied bet. 1849 - 1855.
Will go back to SP now with a smaller date span and go for variants but if he wasn't baptised/christened I won't find him.
A. M.
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That is great to have found Michael's family in 1851 in Lancashire.
The 1873 marriage for Michael to Mary Casey is the correct one. Michael's parents are showing as:
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From Michael's marriage to Mary Casey, the familes were RC?
...And from that, you will find Michael's birth & baptism in the Roman Catholic Registers on SP:
6 June 1848/13 July 1848, Michael Mellon to parents James Mellon and Hannah Toland at St Andrew's in Glasgow.
Monica
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There is this entry in 1877 in Ireland for a James, son, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG6V-5FW
Just in case this entry causes any confusion-
"65 Carrickhill" is not the father's birthplace- it is the residence of the father at the time of the birth (and 65 is the page number in the register). When a place is listed this way it usually means that the child was not born at home/where the father was living.
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There is a marriage record for James Melon (sic) and Hannah Toland in Donegal in 1845 on www.rootsireland.ie. This is a pay per view website. This marriage is taken from a religious parish, most likely a Catholic one and information given is usually name of bride and groom and names of witnesses. Very rarely are the parents of the bride and groom named, but it may give you a location as to the townland / town they lived in when they got married. It was usual for the bride to marry in her parish but it wasn't always the case. I think the county' looks like Strabane too, which isn't a county, as you well know, but maybe the enumerator didn't know that.
I could not find any children for this couple on the above website, so they either emigrated soon after their marriage or not all the baptisms are online.
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Just adding link to the deciphering post thread for background www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,646780.0.html
Murney, that is a great potential find! Given the year, I am thinking that Hannah Toland was a second wife of James Mellon, specially looking at the ages of James and Hannah in the 1851 census in Lancashire linked above. If the marriage you found is 1847, the Michael b in Glasgow in 1848 likely the first child from this marriage. Dates and years that we have seen so far would all look to more or less fit with that.
Monica
Added: Getting confused ;) Marriage being cited was in 1845.
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Hi Murney,
Your a genius and I'm in awe - 1st marriage or 2nd won't matter for now. I've used that site before for several things and guess what, I got free credits for it from a promotion a while ago and think I may have some left?
I'm hungry in both contexts - for info. & food :)
Regards & thanks,
Anne Marie
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Hi Anne Marie
I think the free credits just lets you see the index and not the actual marriage. I can have a look for you tonight at the Library. I believe that the parish they married in was in Urney which straddles parts of Co Donegal and Strabane, Co Tyrone which would answer your question as to where Hannah came from, but hopefully I can confirm that for you tomorrow.
Regards
Deirdre
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Hi Deirdre,
Did you notice on the marriage if they were both single, just to clarify if indeed Hannah was wife no. 2? ;D
Regards,
Anne Marie.
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Hi Anne Marie
It didn't state either way. Marital status is usually only given on civil marriage certs and rarely on church records. Sometimes the bride's maiden name and 1st married name (if she was a widow) are given on the church record and sometimes 'Vidua' (i.e. Latin for Widow) is written against the bride's name, but not always.
Regards
Deirdre