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Title: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: Tallulahblossom on Saturday 11 May 13 21:26 BST (UK)
Hi, On my Gt Grandad's birth certificate it says he was born in Bohemia Place, St Mary Magdalene, Hastings in 1876. Does anyone know whereabouts this would have been in relation to today's street names please?

Also the family had something to do with the running of the Victory Hotel either in Battle or Hastings sometime between 1876 & 1901, if anyone can shed any light on where this might have been I would be very grateful.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 11 May 13 21:34 BST (UK)
Can you include the names please?

Have you looked for the family in 1881 to see where they were?
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: Tallulahblossom on Saturday 11 May 13 22:31 BST (UK)
My Gt Gt Grandparents were Robert & Jane Hatch or Hatcher, their son was Robert William Hatch. In 1881 they appear to be in Longfield, Sussex.  I think it is likely that they may have run the Hotel between 1891 & 1901.
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 11 May 13 22:56 BST (UK)
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In 1881 they appear to be in Longfield, Sussex

Longfield is in Kent - not Sussex

In 1881 Robert is a brickmaker

In 1891 he is a wood dealer & hawker
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: Tallulahblossom on Saturday 11 May 13 23:21 BST (UK)
Hi, Yes sorry I should've also mentioned the Hatch(er) family originated from Staplehurst, Kent. Robert was definitely a brickmaker, you make a very good point about him being a wood dealer & hawker in the 1891 census but it's definitely the right family. They moved around a bit & ended their lives in Capel, Kent.  The 1901 census actually has them as the Owens family in Five Oak Green, Kent, my theory being that Robert senior got into some sort of trouble (possibly connected to the hotel?) & changed his family's surname to Owens for a while until the heat was off.  In the same census Robert junior suddenly becomes William so Robert Hatch effectively disappears!  By 1911 Robert junior has reverted back to using Robert again...... 
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 11 May 13 23:31 BST (UK)
No wonder I couldn't find them in 1901.

So any possible involvement with the Victory Hotel would not show on a census entry
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: John915 on Saturday 11 May 13 23:38 BST (UK)
Good evening,

Bohemia Place doesn't appear to exist any more. However Bohemia Rd is the A21 running north from the area of the pier up to London Rd. That area at the top end is still known as Bohemia. St Mary Magdalene is or was the area between the pier and Warrior square. The church which it takes it's name from is on the corner of Church Rd and St Margarets Rd. The Church of England took it out of use in the 60s and it is now the Greek Orthodox Church under the same name.

http://maps.google.co.uk/

John915
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: Tallulahblossom on Sunday 12 May 13 00:19 BST (UK)
Hi, Yes Carol they've certainly given us the runaround, I'd previously dismissed the 'Owens' family until I went through the remaining Hatch children & kept being given this Owens family & looked more closely at them! As you say the hotel won't appear as their address on any of the censuses so I'm really just wanting to know if anyone has any idea as to where it might have stood.

Thank you for John915 for the info on the Bohemia area, you've also given me some food for thought as by chance I found a Miss Manning (Robert senior's wife)  living in Church Road in the 1867 Kelly's Directory, sadly it doesn't tell me her first name but if it's Jane or one of her relatives it could be another piece in the jigsaw.........!
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 12 May 13 18:29 BST (UK)
Hi there

Found this picture of Bohemia place Post Office in my archives

Chris in 1066
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: Tallulahblossom on Sunday 12 May 13 22:03 BST (UK)
Oh WOW that's fab Chris in 1066! Thank you for that, any idea what year that was taken, looks Edwardian but a wonderful picture for my records!

Tallulahblossom
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 13 May 13 11:26 BST (UK)
Hi there

Glad you liked it :) :)

My archive/database comes from buying postcards or old pictures from Boot sales, Auction Houses  and the like

BUT.......

If you click on the following link, then choose 'Images' and then scroll down to Postcards 1907 - 1909, you will find a gallery of postcards of that era including a more fuller picture (No 4 in the gallery) of that shot - which also includes Tram Lines so it has to be after 1905/6 when trams were introduced

www.hastingschronicle.net

Chris
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: John915 on Monday 13 May 13 18:10 BST (UK)
Good evening,

That postcard did the trick Chris, that style of building is common around Bohemia rd/London rd. Bohemia Place was a part of Bohemia rd, may still be, the large place in the background is 61 Bohemia rd, on the corner of Upper South rd. The PO is now Frydays fish & chip shop or maybe the first part of Vantage Pharmacy. I didnt count the no of shops to the corner.

You can see it on Google maps st view.

John915
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 13 May 13 22:00 BST (UK)
John

Well done, very observant  ;D

Had a look in a street directory for 1911 (Kellys) and found - 69 Bohemia road, LEE Frank Thomas Nix, Stationer & Post Office which is just 4 doors (count the shop signs above shop) from the building you mentioned at No 61 - so once again, well done, it all fits.

Tallulahblossom - you mentioned that Gt Grandad's birth certificate it says he was born in Bohemia Place, St Mary Magdalene, Hastings in 1876.
DID IT GIVE A NUMBER??

Chris in Hastings
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: Tallulahblossom on Monday 13 May 13 22:11 BST (UK)
Hello Chris & John, Thank you & yes it was number 49   :)




















 
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: Tallulahblossom on Tuesday 14 May 13 22:50 BST (UK)
Robert was a brickmaker could his connection to the Victory hotel/inn been the building of it?? We think it was Battle rather than Hastings but could be either. 
Title: Re: Bohemia Place & Victory Hotel
Post by: John915 on Wednesday 15 May 13 13:58 BST (UK)
Good afternoon,

My apologies, realised when Tallulahblossom said G Grandfather was born at no 49, I had the wrong corner.

The building in the background is in fact no77 on the corner of Newgate Rd (next jct south). The PO at 69 (found by Chris) is now "BEST KEBAB YE", still 4 from the end of the row. Opp Tower Rd.

No49 is now "THE CAKE BOX", 2 doors to the left of "FRYDAYS FISH & CHIPS".

Tried to do this last night but had problems getting on to St view but correct locations now.

John915