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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: liz_bern on Thursday 09 May 13 09:47 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I would like to know if there is any connection between Jemima and Isabella Telford. Jemima Telford was born in 1849 in Liverpool and Isabella born in 1842-43 in Liverpool also. We think that Jemimas parents were James and Bridgit Telford, and Isabellas father we think was William Telford (a policeman), mother unknown.
Jemima married Richard Kelly and had a son William Telford Kelly born Isle of Man in 1869 and died in Liverpool in 1979, he married Emily Eleanor Fargher (Emily born 1871 in Bolton, Lancashire) on 11.10.1919 at St Dunstan, Edgehill, Liverpool.
Emily Farghers mother was Isabella Telford married to Edward Fargher.
Hope that this all makes sense. If you could come up with a connection between Jemima and Isabella we would be most appreciative.
Cheers Liz
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Do you have Isabella's marriage confirming her father was William Telford, policeman: -
From the Lancs OPC site: -
Edward Faragher Tailor, Bachelor, of Little Bolton m 13 Oct 1862 St Peter, Bolton Isabella Telford - Spinster, of Great Bolton
Edward's father John Faragher, Miller
Isabella's father William Telford, Police Officer
best wishes
Maria :)
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Hi Liz,
There are these:
1851 2176/ 665/12
10 Court, Eldon Street no3
Willam Telford 28 yrs shoemaker journeyman b Scotland
Margaret 26
Elizabeth 11
Isabella 9
Mary A 6
Jemima 4
James 2
Others born Liverpool
Hope this helps
Regards
Heywood
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Hi again,
That's awesome, it now looks like Jemima and Isabella may have been sisters, so don't know where the James and Bridgit came from. It now looks like William and Emily would have been 1st cousins.
Thanks once again.
Cheers Liz
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Family Search has the baptism you refer to- James and Bridget in 1849
There is a marriage for a Jemima to Edward Worthington in 1875 with parents James and Ann. :-\
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Hi,
Have now come to the conclusion that the Jemima connected to James and Bridgit is not the correct family in our research, thanks anyway.
Cheers Liz
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Just wanted to say that you state William Telford Kelly was b.1869 and died 1979!!
The William Telford Kelly who died 1979 was actually born 22/1/1911.
Annette
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An online tree states that Jemima and Isabella were indeed sisters! Familysearch baptisms show that William and Margaret Telford only baptised their eldest child - Margaret bp.28/2/1838 - so the baptism of Jemima to a James in 1849 is indeed a red herring.
The William Telford Kelly b.1869 did in fact die in 1929 Liverpool and would seem the one who died in 1979 was his son.
Unfortunately, I cannot find the Telford family in 1861 Census and according to submitters of online trees neither can they.
The only mystery at this point is how William was a Shoemaker in 1851 and a Police Officer by 1862. Quite a change in his occupation.
Annette
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I imagine a growing police force in Liverpool would be recruiting from all walks of life.
It is quite possible that William decided to join in those 10 years.
Interesting history here http://liverpoolcitypolice.co.uk/#/19th-century-policing/4554835006
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There is a marriage in Liverpool - May 1839 - between William Telford and Margaret Johnson.
Both fathers named James. Her father co-incidentally was a shoemaker like William. Perhaps worked together?
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1841 1465 folio 21 page 38
has William and Margaret in Isle of Man
Will Telford 22 yrs Shoemaker b Scotland
Margt Telford 20 yrs b England
Elizabeth Telford 1 yr b England
The entry above is for James and Margaret Telford, both 50 yrs also born Scotland. I believe that these are William's parents.
In 1851, James snr is a gardener which I think William's father was on his marriage.
In 1861, Mary A Telford (William and Margaret's daughter) is living there.
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You're a star Heywood I've been looking for ages & couldn't see them :)
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1861 4419/54/ 18
Isabella Talford 18 yrs born England is a house servant in the Lemon family household in Douglas
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Interesting that Isabella's husband Edward Faragher/ Fargher is from the Isle of Man also.
In the 1861 census he is lodging in Bolton, listed as Farragher POB Douglas, Isle of Man: -
Sarah LATHANE, Head Widow 45 Proprietor Of Houses.... b Bolton, Lancashire
John H HOPKINSON, Boarder Unmarried 31 Foreman Stone Mason b Ellon Wn Bray, Lancashire
Edward FARRAGHER, Boarder Unmarried 20 Tailor b Douglas, Isle of Man
RG09/2822/75a, Page:20
In the 1871 census Jemima is living in the Isle of Man with husband Richard & family: -
Rechab KELLY, Head 29 b Isle of Man
Jemima KELLY, Wife 24 b Lancashire
Eleanor KELLY, Daughter 7 b Isle of Man
Wm Telford KELLY, Son 2 b Isle of Man
RG10, Piece:5775, Folio: 67, Page:9,
Reg. District: Isle of Man
best wishes
Maria :)
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I wonder how Isabella ended up marrying in Bolton then in 1862?
There are Telfords about but all different occupations.
Maria :)
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Yes I saw Jemima and Rechab in 1871.
Also wondered re Bolton.
It would be interesting to see who Jemima's father and his occupation on marriage.
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Bother!! No father's name - search for:
Jemima Telfourd and Rechab Kelly
http://dustydocs.com/county/1/england/18/isle-of-man.html
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I've just been playing on Manx BDMs but only start from 1877 at moment ???
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That's when civil registration started on the Isle of Man!
Compulsory registration of births and deaths started in 1878, much later than in England & Wales. Marriage registration became compulsory in 1884, however there are a large number of entries prior to this.
www.imuseum.im may be helpful?
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Hi again,
It is as usual wonderful to wake up and find out all this new information. I am going to have to digest all this and work out which William T comes in where.
Thank you once again for all your help.
Cheers Liz
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I am great granddaughter of Edward and Isabella Fargher who are buried in Tonge cemetery Bolton
Their son James is my grandfather. My mother was Margaret Fargher
Isabella and Jemima Telford were sisters
Edward was from Isle of Man
As was Rechard Kelly
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On www.geneanet.org
Telford - Isle of Man
Isabella Telford
Jemima Telford - both marrying around 1825
so it would appear those christian names were used by the family for a long period in The Isle of Man
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Thanks for reply yes names were the same down the generations.
My grandparents James and Maggie Fargher emigrated to New Zealand in 1922, my mother was born here. Her brother John Telford Fargher, married and had a son Douglas Telford Fargher who lives in Australia havent had contact for many years. I am last living relative of this branch of Fargher family.
My grandmother was Maggie Green born in Bolton 1893-5? Don’t have any information on her side.