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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: genealogistsykes on Monday 06 May 13 19:11 BST (UK)
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I'm slightly confused. The Sydney Mail (Jan 11 1922) has an article titled "Arthur Phillip - An Unwritten Chapter" by E. M. Green (a relative of mine). She writes the following in regards to John Lane:
"Mr. John Lane appears to have been a man of substance, and his father, Sir Thomas Lane, was Lord Mayor of London.....In an old book Sir Thomas Lane is described as a Londoner, and ancestor of Lord Foley... We can picture the city gentleman driving to the village of Peckham to visit his son and daughter-in-law, and their portraits by Copley and Romney fill in the picture."
Emma seems to think that John's father was Sir Thomas Lane. She could be right, but I would like to confirm this. When searching on the net I came across Sir Thomas Lane and his wife Mary Ashurt and children. It shows us that John was born in the late 1600s. I've got John's year of birth as 1743. - Could it be possible that they have it all wrong and I'm correct. Also, on further research, I came across Joseph Lane son of Sir Thomas Lane who was born in 1743 and died in 1795 (This was found on google books, a primary source). The date range is similar to John.
Other evidence to support Sir Thomas being the father of John is his incredible amount of wealth. John privately funded a fleet of ships for Admiral Arthur Phillip (1st Gov. of NSW), as the crown and admiralty opposed funding for it. Also, I found out that Sir Thomas owned land in New Jersey and his grandson by the name of Thomas Lane had some control over the land prior to the outbreak of the American Revolution. John Lane had a son by the name of Thomas Lane.
I would appreciate it if someone could help me with this mess. I'd like to confirm that Sir Thomas Lane was the father of John Lane.
Kind Regards,
Sykes.
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Found this: "Thomas (1768) and Harriet (1776-1860)...children to John and Eleanor Everitt Lane of London, and grandchildren of Thomas Lane (d. 1784), who was head of "Lane, Son & Fraser", an important London firm that supplied banking services and credit to wealth merchants of..."
Maybe Emma got some information wrong? However, I personally believe that she was quite correct when it came to her information. Considering it was passed down from her mother.
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I am researching Thomas Fraser in "Lane, Son & Fraser", and as he and his partners are particularly difficult to research, I have widened my search to John Lane & Son, who appear to be equally difficult to identify with any precision and certainty.
As Lane, Son & Fraser were declared bankrupt 1798, and John Lane was the only person from this union still alive in 1811, it is possible this is the John Lane who married Eleanor Everitt in 1767, and possibly "your" John Lane born in 1743.
Reading the will of Thomas Lane (d. 1784), he was the father of John Lane of Lane Son & Fraser.
He wished to be buried in the vault at Saint Edmund the King, Lombard Street, where I believe a number of other Lanes were buried.
He had a grandson – Thomas Lane who had at that point not attained the age of 21.
He had a son called John Lane.
A partner called Thomas Fraser.
A Godson called Thomas Fraser, the younger son of Thomas Fraser.
Bequeathed a sum to all the clerks and writers at the counting house of Lane Son & Fraser
A Goddaughter called Elizabeth Fraser
A Granddaughter Harriet Eleanor Lane who had at that point not attained the age of 21
Executors John Lane and Thomas Fraser
Would it then be safe to say that Thomas Lane (d.1784) was the Lane in “Lane Son” with John Lane the son in “Lane Son”? And that John Lane is “your” John Lane born 1743?
Sir Thomas Lane, Lord Mayor of London died in 1709, aged 57. Arthur Phillip was born in 1738 which puts him in the age range of being a peer of "your" John Lane born 1743 and "your" John Lane would be in the age range for being the husband of Eleanor Everitt.
But the John Lane of Lane Son & Fraser can not be the son of Sir Thomas Lane, Lord Mayor of London, as the dates do not stack up.
Further research would need to be carried out to establish whether Thomas Lane (d. 1784) was the son or even grandson of Sir Thomas Lane.
(I do hope you are still active here ;D)
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I have now read the will of Sir Thomas Lane, Knight and Alderman of St. Lawrence Jewry, City of London, died 1709.
He has two sons named in his will: Henry and Joseph, and two daughters: Judith and Mary. "...My four children..."
His first wife is mentioned but unnamed and his second wife - Elizabeth.
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hello
I have a fair amount of info on thomas lane and sons as they/it relates to the family(s) of Richard Caswell and the as yet unlinked/proved relationship to Sir George CASWALL of Leominster and Lombard st d1742.
Richard Caswell marries SLAYNe 1st and SMITH. Richard and ms Smith have 1 son Richard who emigrates to MARYLAND after the decease of his parents with his SMITH relatives. WILLIAM
Richard marries Christian Dallam.
Richard's uncle(?) and guardian William SMITH marries christian's mother ELIZABETH MARTIN (1668-1778) grandmother of Gov Richard of NC and Gov PACA of Maryland.
2 points on the SMITH's
1. former Lord Mayor's of LONDON(?)
2 elizabeth MARTINs' second husband was William Smith, whose step-father was the brother of the Duke of Marlborough and who took his step-son (Richard Caswell) under his special care and sent him to America in company with Elizabeth and Richard Dallam.
Just to muddy the picture
William SMITH,s 1st wife is/was mistress to Charles CHURCHILL (1656-1714 http://fabpedigree.com/s080/f259038.htm) Charles wife Elizabeth DODD (see dodd county NC??) bares Charles Jr Governor of Plymouth Colony)
William Smith's step brother(?) is Smith Churchill. or step son?
NOTE; well meaning researchers have tied, implied, that Thomas Caswell of Wedon, Northhamps as father of the 1st Richard is also directly related to Thomas CASWELL of Taunton Mass, a Quacker ostensibly from Wiltshire emigrates Mass 1620(?). Though the families are related (as are the Leominster(DAM) CASWALL's) I have not made the connection.
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Thomas Lane
The stockholders books of the East India Company clearly show that
at any time in the eighteenth century between ten and twenty Mile End
residents held stock; however, only one man was an active trader in stock.
Thomas Lane left Christ's Hospital School in 1724 and was
apprenticed `to serve John Caswell of London, Merchant, or his brother,
Henry Caswell, in Boston in New England, Merchant, for 7 years'. By 1735
Lane was a partner in a company which eventually became Lane, Son &
Francis. By 1757, he was shown in the the East India Company as living in
Mile End, and he stayed there until 1769, when he moved to Bedford Row.
Lane was a major trader in stock purchasing £33,000 of stock in 1761, and in
1763 he carried forward a balance of £7,500.
The coincidences which these inter marriages underline for me after 3 passes of the material over the past 3 winters now fall in the "are you kidding me" category
-Mary Milbourne appears to be the widow of Thomas Brassey
-sarah BRASSEY(or unkn BRASSEY?) sis of John William Nathan and THOMAS) daugh MaryDEACON marries THOMAS BODDINGTON
-the Brassey's church has a connection to the Bloomsbury Group and careswall
-the Brassey church has a connection to the EYES c980 and John de CAVE.
John CASWALL d 1731 w KEZIA Johns? widow LANE widow CAVE d 1735 is my John merchant of London and Boston
http://www.merchantnetworks.com.au/periods/1775after/lanesonfraser.htm
-Thomas LANE is a partner of JOHN caswall I&II
-William Lane NY city is John CASWALLs IorII's lawyer executor of John merchant of etc's US property
-a TURNER and a LANE are apprenticed from St EYEs Hospital to John CASWALL of London and Boston
- Lane later had partners Joseph Smethurst (maybe of Marblehead?), then Bostonian John Caswell/Caswall II. Both these men died in accidents. From 1750 the firm then became Thomas Lane and Co, then another Lloyd cousin, Benjamin Booth, came in.
-7 May 1724. Thomas Lane apprenticed from Christ's Hospital to his
grandmother Susanna L. to serve John Caswell of London, merchant, or
his brother Henry Caswell of Boston, New England, merchant. (CH).
grandmother Susanna L could be a CASWALL?
see BALL as well
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forgot this critical link For Thomas LANE d 1804
http://www.mernick.org.uk/elhs/Record/ELHS%20RECORD%2009%20(1986).pdf
p23
A list of the Names of such Proprietors of Annuities, transferable at the South-Sea House, as were entitled to Dividends on or before the 5th of July, 1837, and WHICH REMAINED UNPAID ON THE 10TH OCTOBER, 1842.
1. cross referencing this list with the 22 'London' Baronets (1689-1722), the Mayors of London, the directors of the East India Co, South Sea House, The bank of England, The LAVANT co of Smyrna Turkey with the unpaid provides a 100% correlation. (the consiguiety index)
2. cross referencing this list with the principals and collateral parties here http://res.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/01/29/res.hgu117.full.pdfprovides a 100% correlation with
3. cross referencing this list with The Life and Times of Thomas, Lord Coningsby: The Whig Hangman and his Victims provides a 100% correlation with 1 and 2
4. cross referencing the results from above with the addresses given above (and ranked by qty under 'dividends not payed from 1st date due) turns up a lot of lawyers addresses
(note many of the actual buildings housing lawyers were on land patented to the CARYs-KNOLLYs desc Henry VIII, Mary Kate ill. daughter. Lincolns Inn and present day LSE (see Thomas Lane form parts of this bequest)
5. Cross referencing 'trust' with address turns up a lot of legal addresses as does/do multiple proprietors were given. some dupes.
6. controlling by sex (abt 35% of names feminine, the ones who are servants and resident at South Sea House.....nice) and ranking by qty of dividends unpaid yields a disproportionate # of f. annuitants for the times.
7. frequency by occupation eg apothecary, merch, esq, spinster, servant, wife, trade, sir, KG, military, ret., pension,
8. simple paretto analysis reveals 20% of the names relate to 80% of the surnames in 1,2 and 3 (ie if you missed receiving a payment
9. accumulate/CUM missed annuities by month and year correllates to entries reporting living status at time payment missed
Short of taking ones shoes and socks off the KISS principle applied here through casual observation infers a lot of the people listed as unpaid by the South Sea board of Directors in October 1842 were closely related by occupation, religion, education, tenancy (home county, country, the City of LONDON), birthplace.
Sir George Caswall d 1742 and the Caswall/Caswell/Carswells of Staffordshire and Leominsterdam, hereford, herefordshire England provide a unique focal point for understanding, quantifying and tracing the existing concentration of state wealth and private capital during the birth of the modern corporation. The union of flemish(scandinavian) manifest destiny and modern protestant? commerce as much of the developed world understands and practices it till today is a sub-set of the cause and effect of the Conquest. (i)
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Sir George's grandson Timothy d.1802 marries Constantia ROLT direct descent of Henry VII. thru Mary Katherine
Sir George's near ancestor
Richard Caswell a white baker of st swithins London and leominster m to Mary Slaynie grnddaughter and daughter of the two Richards Lord Mayors of London.
Sir Richards daughter marries Phineas PETT royal shipbuilders (contractors) to the Royal Navy from 1590
Sir Richards son by a 2nd mar is Gov Richard 1st Governor of North Carolina. (see Baskerville Plantation)
The Caswalls of Leominster had a significant history in the Mass Bay settlement and a stand alone line followed the Plymouth colony from North Curry/taunton arr 1640-42 Thomas quacker of north curry. While related no evidence or inter marriage (save a consistent naming convention perhaps dissenter or quacker based) or obvious geography connects the numerous thomas' in this area. yet.
Samuel Caswell of Blackwater Clare 1708-d1804 limerick Georges Quay is proposed as a contemporary of the leominster Caswells unproven relatives of Sir George CASWALL primarily by inference. The very recent research (29 jan 2015) http://res.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/01/29/res.hgu117.full.pdf now provides proven relationships bew Caswall business associates in Lombard st which moves prior efforts from wishful thinking, circumstantial (see Mayse 1983, Our Caswell Relatives) social history to probable relation. The PERRY family of Cork, Tipperary, WIndies, Virginia and NEngland were integrated business partners with the Leominster Caswells. Thomas LANE (above), of Lane, Son and FRASER along with a CAVE and a SCHERER and COX apprentice w/John & Henry CASWELL merchants of london and boston.
The security for Sir George Caswalls South-sea House Charter were the crowns attainted(seized) estates primarily in Munster and Connaught and Leinster. Title was held in The Hollow Blades Sword Company of London.
Rabsas CASWELL a step sister of Richard and daughter of Mary Slaynie marries Phineas PETT; the PETTs are royal shipbuilders lending credence to family 'tales' of financed fleets. The concept of vertically integrated business(s) as we understand it today was embodied in the vertical and horizontal inter marriage between self-interested families; what did love have to do with it?(2)
Using the SLANE/SLAYNEY/SLAYNE's as the lynch pin family http://powys.org/pl_tree/ps03/ps03_418.html integrates ASTON LYTTON ST. JOHN BARRINGTON DARCY etc etc Many of these lines are clearly presented here fabpedigree.com, thepeerage, tudorplace
Micajah Perry
1641–1721
BIRTH 1641 • New Haven, Connecticut, USA
DEATH 3 OCT 1721 • London, Middlesex, England
is a close business associate of Fraser Lane & sons. The Pery's and Lanes have joint merchant, shipping and land interests in america, the west indies, ireland (cork(?)) and lombard st london. the caswell's, lanes and perry's use the same NY city lawyer/firm. (info relates to conneticut and later mass. big tracts)
sincerely
james waddell
sudbury ontario
2. sir george caswall was the largest 'market maker' in the stock of The Bank of England. 75% of daily trades went thru him or his associates.
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thomas lane sir lord mayor of london 1694 sheriff 1692 and ancestor of Lord Foley
1652–1708
BIRTH 1652 • candlewicke ancient ward, lombard st, london, middlesex, england
DEATH 24 MARCH 1708 • st lawrence lane, london buried Hampstead I have now read the will of Sir Thomas Lane, Knight and Alderman of St. Lawrence Jewry, City of London, died 1709. He has two sons named in his will: Henry and Joseph, and two daughters: Judith and Mary. "...My fo
THE ATTACHMENT IS TO LARGE and i am too lazy
mary (john brassey) lane husband partner in turner bank w/ Sir george Caswall and Taylor
john brassey brassy
1653–1737
BIRTH 1653? • a Quaker, who purchased Roxford in 1700, his son Nathaniel was an assistant in the Sword Blade Company and a prominent London banker, trading in partnership with his son-in-law, Sir George Caswall, under the style of Brassey and Caswall. By 1716 Nathaniel
DEATH 26 MAY 1737 • lombard st, london, middlesex, england John Brassey of Lombard St. by his w. Mary Lane. nicholas suc fa. 1737.
John Caswall d1731 is sir george caswells' uncle. his 3thrice married wife kazia ?? is the widow lane and cave.
by thomas. she bears a son
Thomas Lane Thomas Lane left Christ's Hospital School in 1724 and was apprenticed `to serve John Caswell of London, Merchant, or his brother
1707–1784
BIRTH ABT 1707 • Clements inn, holborn, strand london , england W2C By 1735 Lane was a partner in a company which eventually became Lane, Son & Francis. By 1757, he was shown in the the East India Company as living in Mile End, and he stayed there until 1769, when he move
DEATH 26 MAY 1784 • Bedford Row london w2c Lane was a major trader in stock purchasing £33,000 of stock in 1761, and in 1763 he carried forward a balance of £7,500
http://files.usgwarchives.net/md/harford/bios/caswell-rs.txt for another version of Richard caswell and eliz smith, her nephew william stepson of charles churchill thru his mistress a sister(?) of elizabeth smith (richard caswell).
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Post removed while I make some more checks
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I have a related question about the families being discussed here, namely:
Is John Tilley (abt 1768-1813), husband of Elizabeth Fraser (Thomas Fraser's daughter) and father of Sir John Tilley K.C.B. (1813-1898) the same John Tilley who served as the agent for John and Alexander Anderson on Bance Island, Sierra Leone in the 1790's? If yes, can you point me to a source?
Burke's describes the elder John Tilley as a London Merchant, but nothing more.
Thanks in advance.
MK
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I wish I could give you just one source to confirm your question.
There is a lot of evidence which points towards John Tilley married to Elizabeth Fraser being the factor on Bunce Island.
They married on 01 February 1804 at St. Mary at Hill Church, Billingsgate, London in the presence of John Anderson, Alexander Anderson, George Wilson and Charlotte Ednistoun (or similar).
John Anderson, nephew of Richard Oswald who originally owned Bunce Island was married to Susanna Fraser, sister of Elizabeth Fraser. John and Susanna were also the grandparents of the third wife of Sir John Tilley K.C.B., Susannah Anderson Montgomerie.
Alexander Anderson, nephew of Richard Oswald was married to Christian Oswald, grand neice of Richard Oswald.
The third Anderson brother and nephew of Richard Oswald, James, lived on a plantation in Georgetown, South Carolina named Ramse(a)y Grove, presumably after the wife of Richard Oswald.His son was named Richard Oswald Anderson who died in Bath in 1852 while visiting his sister, Elizabeth Webb Browne nee Anderson. Who married in 1810 in St. Mary at Hill Church, Billinsgate, London in the presence of Alexander Anderson, Richard Oswald Anderson, George Wilson and Alexander Wilson.
In his book, London to Tokyo, Sir John Tilley, Diplomat made mention of a housekeeping ledger from the counting house of Richard Oswald. This was passed down through the family.
I hope this has made sense to you but as you can see, the same names crop up time and time again.
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In his book, London to Tokyo, Sir John Tilley, Diplomat writes "To go back to my father. He was a posthumous son, and his father had been born in 1768, a hundred years before myself, while my mother's father, uncles and aunts were all born also in the 18th century, so that I was altogether out of my generation."
Given Sir John Tilley KCB was born on 20 April 1813, then his father John Tilley must have died roughly between about July 1812 to 20 April 1813 but I have been unable to locate any memorial to him or will which, given the apparent status of the families involved, seems strange.
Maybe I am just not looking in the right places.
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For those following the Lane/Fraser trail, Sir John Tilley, Diplomat writes in Chapter VIII of his book "When I found myself bound for Rio de Janeiro, I remembered that I was not the first of my family to undertake such an adventure.
In 1829 an uncle of mine, a young man of twenty-four, having failed to make good in this country, we sent out to Brazil with various letters of introduction in the hope, apparently, that he would do better there.
I thinking some of his letters maybe of interest, especially to anyone concerned about the history of South America; and that, not although, but because, they are simple the letters of a feckless young man to his mother and sister, intended to give them some idea of his doings. The introductions came from a Mr. Lane who had been in partnership with the young man's maternal grandfather, Mr. Thomas Fraser. The firm of Lane, Son and Fraser, previously Lane and Booth, had been in existence, it appears, for some hundred and fifty years, but I have never discovered that they had any connection with Brazil."
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JCTilley, Thanks for the information. While it might not stand up as genealogical proof, the presence of John and Alexander Anderson at John Tilley's wedding is a very strong indicator that he is a close associate of some kind. I apologize for not replying directly to your message but, being new to rootschat, I am not yet permitted to send them. I do have a lead on an estate for John Tilley, but I need to get to an LDS Family History Center to get access to the online materials. Stay tuned...
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I look forward to hearing from you again then. ;D
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I have located information pertaining to the estate of John Tilley in:
Death duty register for wills in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1796-1811; and administrations, 1796-1857 and indexes
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/522838?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Film: 1817877
Digital: 8495266
URL: https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/008495266?cat=522838 (locked)
The register entry, pp 129-130 for March 6, 1813 records the fact that John Tilley died intestate with an in insolvent estate worth 200 pounds. John Totill, undertaker, and Tilley's creditor was the administrator. "Relict renounced for herself and children."
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In my book, Prinny's Taylor:
"1809 was the year when Louis decided to give up South Stoneham House, which he sold to the merchant John Lane for ₤16,986/2/3. Lane was bankrupt by 1815, whereupon the house was purchased by John Willis Fleming, M.P, whose family then owned it for the next 150 years."
Is that John Lane connected to yours?
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Hi Chasbaz
In my book, Prinny's Taylor:
"1809 was the year when Louis decided to give up South Stoneham House, which he sold to the merchant John Lane for ₤16,986/2/3. Lane was bankrupt by 1815, whereupon the house was purchased by John Willis Fleming, M.P, whose family then owned it for the next 150 years."
Is that John Lane connected to yours?
It is possible that John Lane who bought South Stoneham House is the John Lane of Lane, Son and Fraser.
But, a trawl of the London Gazette shows that the company Lane, Son and Fraser (John Lane; Thomas Fraser; Thomas Boylston of Nicholas Lane, London) was in bankruptcy proceedings from at least 20 April 1793 until 22 July 1817.
The Literary Panorama, and National Register, Volume 9, Page 1094 puts the date at Tuesday 19 February 1793 when the Bank of England threw out the paper of Lane, Son, and Fraser, who had never recovered the shocks of the American war.
What is your source for John Lane being bankrupt by 1815 please?
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I'm afraid I don't remember but most likely it was the London Gazette.
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In 1815, The Gazette has a number of bankruptcy announcements relating to John Lane of Lane, Son & Fraser.
There is also at least one bankruptcy announcement for a John Lane of Arundel , Sussex, Corn Merchant, Dealer and Chapman.
The Wikipedia entry for South Stoneham House cites this document for when John Lane purchased.
https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archiveDS/archiveDownload?t=arch-425-1/dissemination/pdf/wessexar1-164666_1.pdf
3.1.4 About 1810 South Stoneham House was bought by John Lane, who in 1819 sold it to John Fleming, the owner of North Stoneham House.
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I wonder whether Lane, Son and Fraser was originally
A) Thomas Lane (?-1784) (LANE)
B) John Lane (1743-1829) (SON)
1) Thomas Fraser (1736-?) (FRASER)
The Journal of Samuel Curwen, Loyalist Volume 1 (Google Books) shows that on Friday 4th August 1775, Samuel Curwen “Dined at John Lanes in the company with…Mrs. Lane, Mrs. Leggs and Thomas Lane (Thomas Lane and his son John were members of the mercantile house of Lane, Son & Fraser which carried on a substantial American business) to whom the son introduced me.
A case reported in Reports of Cases Argued and Determined in the High Court of Chancery Volume 17 by Francis Vesey (Google Books) suggests that by 1781, Boylston had joined forces with the firm.
Deed dated 30th August 1784 is between Boylston, Lane and Fraser “…all which to be improved by us Lane and Fraser, in a line of commerce and business as partners; the same as was followed and pursued by us under the firm of Lane, Son and Fraser…”
This seems to be confirmed by “Joint Commission of Bankruptcy against Lane, Fraser, and Boylston 20th April 1793, merchants and co-partners, carrying on trade under the firm of Lane, Son, and Fraser.”
And The Literary Panorama, and National Register, Volume 9, Page 1094 puts the date at Tuesday 19 February 1793 when the Bank of England threw out the paper of Lane, Son, and Fraser, who had never recovered the shocks of the American war.
This implies, that on the death of Thomas Lane (1784), the firm became
B) John Lane (1743-1829)
1) Thomas Fraser (1736-?)
(and) Thomas Boylston (Boston Massachusetts, late of London) (1720-1798)
But retained the name Lane, Son and Fraser
In fact, The London Gazette part 2 Page 1633 printed 1817 (Google Books) name “…John Lane and Thomas Fraser late of Nicholas Lane, London, Merchants and Copartners (carrying on trade under the firm of Lane, Son, and Fraser)…”
Walter Maynard’s will made in 1804, noted that he had expended “large sums on New River Estate (Nevis), now belonging to Messrs. Lane, Son & Fraser under a promise…” (Liverpoolmuseums.org.uk)
Which is expanded in the Legacies of British Slave-ownership project to “…'expended a very large amount of money' on the New River estate, the property of the assigns of Messrs Lane Son and Fraser, on the promise that he would be the purchaser,…”
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Reading wills give us further clues as to who the Lanes and Frasers were
A) Thomas Lane (d. 1784) m. Margaret
Thomas Lane buried St. Edmund the King, Lombard Street 1st June 1784
Will written 1781 proved 9th June 1784 identifies
B) John Lane Son and Executor
C) Eleanor Lane Daughter in Law
D) Thomas Lane Grandson (not attained 21 years of age in 1781)
E) Harriot Eleanor Lane Granddaughter
1) Thomas Fraser Partner and Executor
2) Thomas Fraser Godson, son of said Thomas Fraser
3) Susannah Fraser the elder implying 5) Susannah Fraser younger
4) Elizabeth Fraser Goddaughter
All the writers or clerks employed in the counting house of Lane, Son and Fraser.
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B) John Lane baptised 24th June 1743 in St. Nicholas Acons, London to A) Thomas Lane and Margaret.
B) John Lane (1743-1829) married C) Eleanor Everitt (1747-1827) 30th June 1767
Named individuals in B) John Lane will written 4th August 1827:
D) Thomas Lane (1768-1834) son living in Jamaica 1827
E) Harriet Eleanor Lane (1776-1860) daughter living in Camberwell, Peckham
C) Eleanor Lane (late dear wife) who died on the fourteenth day of May last
H) Sarah Rule (my cousin ) daughter of F) Thomas and G) Sarah Rule who now resides with.
This implies A) Thomas Lane or his wife Margaret had a brother F) Thomas or a sister G) Sarah.
According to the 1851 Census, H) Sarah Rule was living with E) Harriet Eleanor Lane and born abt. 1774.
F) Thomas and G) Sarah Rule had a daughter born 18th December 1773 and baptised 27th March 1774 St. Olave, Southwark Surrey.
F) Thomas Rule married G) Sarah Newman 24th November 1771, St. Saviour, Southwark, Surrey
I) G Everitt son of the late Thomas Everitt the portrait of his grandfather the late Captain Michael Everitt
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1) Thomas Fraser, merchant of the Parish St. Nicholas Acons, (1736-?) posted £200 Bond to m. 3) Susanna Culpepper (b. 1738-?) on 06th May 1761.
Children currently identified
2) Thomas Fraser, Godson, son of said Thomas Fraser
4) Elizabeth Fraser, Goddaughter baptised 28th June 1774 St. Giles Camberwell. Married John Tilley 1st February 1804. Tilley believed factor at Bunce Island and associate of Andersons of Philpot Lane, the nephews and beneficiaries of Richard Oswald.
Witnesses at the marriage were John Anderson, Alexander Anderson, George Wilson and Charlotte Enniston.
5) Susannah Fraser (implied younger) married John Anderson of Philpot Lane, brother of Alexander Anderson Philpot Lane and James Anderson plantation owner of South Carolina U.S.A (brothers and beneficiaries of Richard Oswald) 6th October 1792. Witnesses Thomas Fraser and Alexander Anderson
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Identifying the death of 1) Thomas Fraser and 2) Thomas Fraser is a work in progress, although The Maine Historical Magazine 1888 page 186 (Forgottenbooks.com) indicates that 1) Thomas Fraser was still alive in 1803 as named in the will of Thomas Russell of Boston.
Reports of Cases Argued and Determined in the Court of Chancery of the State of South Caroline (Google Books) in the case Winthrop, Todd and Winthrop, vs. Survivors of Lane, Son & Fraser in dealings between 1785-1789 (1811), the only survivor of Lane, Son and Fraser was John Lane.
Other names which seem to appear regularly within the Lane, Fraser, Anderson connection are Charlton and Thomas Palmer.
The Bedford (Massachusetts) Historical Society have published 2 letters from The Lane Family Papers which are signed as Lane, Son & Fraser and are from Job & John Lane, Gentlemen, Merchants of Beverly, New England. It appears that John Lane (Lane, Son and Fraser) was related to Job Lane (1718-1796 of Massachusetts)
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1) Thomas Fraser, merchant of the Parish St. Nicholas Acons, (1736-?) posted £200 Bond to m. 3) Susanna Culpepper (b. 1738-?) on 06th May 1761.
Held in a private collection in New Zealand are framed copies of 1) Thomas Fraser and 3) Susanna Culpepper.
Noted on the rear of 1) Thomas Fraser " Thomas Fraser married Miss Culpepper of Leeds Castle Kent. Their daughter Susannah Fraser married John Anderson and so were grandparents to the 3 Miss Andersons, daughters of John and Susannah."
Noted on the rear of 3) Susanna Culpepper "Miss Culpepper of Leeds Castle, Kent married Thomas Fraser Their daughter Susannah Fraser married John Anderson and so were grandparents to the 3 Miss Andersons, daughters of John and Susannah."
These 3 Miss Anderson daughters are Mary Anderson (1799-?) m. William Stewart Sterling Crawford; Elizabeth Anderson (1800-?) and Susanna Fraser Anderson (1801-1884) m. William Eglinton Montgomerie 07 Jan 1824 in Dreghorn, Ayrshire.
The Will of Sir John Anthony Cecil Tilley (1952) states
"To my son Roger Tilley my books pictures of himself and my late wife by A.R. MacDonald and of my Grandfather John Tilley (believed factor of Bance Island); my Father John Tilley (Sir John Tilley K.C.B); my sister Edith Tilley and of my great-grandfather and great-grandmotherMr. and Mrs. Thomas Fraser..."
Sadly, only the picture of Sir John Tilley K.C.B survives along with a picture of his third wife and mother of Sir John Anthony Cecil Tilley, Susannah Anderson Montgomerie, daughter of Susanna Fraser Anderson and William Eglinton Montgomerie.
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John Tilley, grandfather of Sir John Anthony Cecil Tilley married Elizabeth Fraser on 01 Feb 1804 (see above for further details).
4 Elizabeth Fraser was the daughter of 1 Thomas Fraser and Susannah Culpepper; sister of 5 Susannah Fraser who married John Anderson of Philpot Lane, brother of Alexander Anderson Philpot Lane and James Anderson plantation owner of South Carolina, USA (brothers and beneficiaries of Richard Oswald) 06 October 1792.
4 Elizabeth Fraser was the goddaughter of A Thomas Lane (d. 1784).
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Unfortunately, I have found an error in the below quoted post. I am no longer able to modify the post and so am making the amendment here:
Given Sir John Tilley KCB was born on 20 January 1813, then his father John Tilley must have died roughly between about April/May 1812 to 20 January 1813 but I have been unable to locate any memorial to him or will which, given the apparent status of the families involved, seems strange.
In his book, London to Tokyo, Sir John Tilley, Diplomat writes "To go back to my father. He was a posthumous son, and his father had been born in 1768, a hundred years before myself, while my mother's father, uncles and aunts were all born also in the 18th century, so that I was altogether out of my generation."
Given Sir John Tilley KCB was born on 20 April 1813, then his father John Tilley must have died roughly between about July 1812 to 20 April 1813 but I have been unable to locate any memorial to him or will which, given the apparent status of the families involved, seems strange.
Maybe I am just not looking in the right places.
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In 1815, The Gazette has a number of bankruptcy announcements relating to John Lane of Lane, Son & Fraser.
There is also at least one bankruptcy announcement for a John Lane of Arundel , Sussex, Corn Merchant, Dealer and Chapman.
The Wikipedia entry for South Stoneham House cites this document for when John Lane purchased.
https://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archiveDS/archiveDownload?t=arch-425-1/dissemination/pdf/wessexar1-164666_1.pdf
3.1.4 About 1810 South Stoneham House was bought by John Lane, who in 1819 sold it to John Fleming, the owner of North Stoneham House.
That is interesting and the report has pictures. Thanks. I doesn't mention that my gggggfr Louis Bazalgette owned it though!
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I'm slightly confused. The Sydney Mail (Jan 11 1922) has an article titled "Arthur Phillip - An Unwritten Chapter" by E. M. Green (a relative of mine). She writes the following in regards to John Lane:
"Mr. John Lane appears to have been a man of substance, and his father, Sir Thomas Lane, was Lord Mayor of London.....In an old book Sir Thomas Lane is described as a Londoner, and ancestor of Lord Foley... We can picture the city gentleman driving to the village of Peckham to visit his son and daughter-in-law, and their portraits by Copley and Romney fill in the picture."
Emma seems to think that John's father was Sir Thomas Lane. She could be right, but I would like to confirm this. When searching on the net I came across Sir Thomas Lane and his wife Mary Ashurt and children. It shows us that John was born in the late 1600s. I've got John's year of birth as 1743. - Could it be possible that they have it all wrong and I'm correct. Also, on further research, I came across Joseph Lane son of Sir Thomas Lane who was born in 1743 and died in 1795 (This was found on google books, a primary source). The date range is similar to John.
Other evidence to support Sir Thomas being the father of John is his incredible amount of wealth. John privately funded a fleet of ships for Admiral Arthur Phillip (1st Gov. of NSW), as the crown and admiralty opposed funding for it. Also, I found out that Sir Thomas owned land in New Jersey and his grandson by the name of Thomas Lane had some control over the land prior to the outbreak of the American Revolution. John Lane had a son by the name of Thomas Lane.
I would appreciate it if someone could help me with this mess. I'd like to confirm that Sir Thomas Lane was the father of John Lane.
Kind Regards,
Sykes.
Since your original post Sykes, The Sydney Living Museum has published information on Arthur Philips.
https://sydneylivingmuseums.com.au/stories/first-fleet-ships/ambition-and-adventure-early-life-arthur-phillip
"When Phillip returned to England at the end of the war he brought with him two things crucial to his later success: the experience of lieutenancy supervising a diverse crew, and the patronage of Captain Michael Everitt, a family connection, and Captain Augustus Hervey, who was a future politician and the third earl of Bristol."
Captain Michael Everitt (1716-1776) was the father of Eleanor Everitt (1747-1827) who married John Lane (1743-1829) on 30 June 1767 in Fareham, Hampshire, England.
Together, they had 3 children, Elizabeth Lane (1782-1782), Harriet Eleanor Lane (1776-1860) and Thomas Lane (1768-1834).
Still working on the parentage of father of John Lane's father - Thomas Lane (?-1784).
Have you got any further forward?