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I am trying to research my great great grandmother Sarah Eustace, she married John Lawrence in 1872 in Wycombe. Her brother Henry Eustus was a witness and her father was listed as James Eustus. I can't make out the occupation, it starts with an F. I also purchased her birth certificate which stated she was born on 25 July 1855 in the Wycombe Union Workhouse, Saunderton. Her mother was Elizabeth Eustace, lace maker; no father is mentioned on the certificate.
I am wondering if Elizabeth took the name of Eustace and lived with this James Eustace as his wife. In 1856 Elizabeth married Henry Folly and in the 1861 census it shows Sarah and Henry as Follys and there is Ann East, mother-in-law living with them. I am presuming this is Elizabeth's widowed mother. Sarah, Henry, Elizabeth and Ann were all listed as born in Saunderton. In the 1871 census Henry is again named as Eustace.
Can anyone shed any light on James Eustace or Elizabeth East/Eustace/Folly.
I would be very grateful for any help, thank you all for your wonderful help in the past.
Ann :) :D
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I also purchased her birth certificate which stated she was born on 25 July 1855 in the Wycombe Union Workhouse, Saunderton. Her mother was Elizabeth Eustace, lace maker
Hi
Did the birth certificate give a maiden name for her mother.
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The marriage certificate of Elizabeth to Henry Folly should show if she was previously married.
Rosie
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The 1861 image clearly shows Ann's surname as East. However - somebody called CDHilton has notified a correction to that entry in April saying that the surname is Eustace
If it wasn't you who made the correction - it may be worth your while contacting CDHilton in case there is a connection
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Sarah's birth certificate only stated that her mother was Elizabeth Eustace; it didn't say whether that was her maiden name or not.
The suggestion that Ann was named Eustace was supposition on cdhilton's part. So unfortunately there is no lead there.
Thank you for all your ideas and effort in this. It always helps to have ideas from others.
Ann :) ;D
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My feeling is that probably Elizabeth was single (marriage cert to Folly will help confirm, as Rosie has said), and that when Sarah married she made up a father for her marriage cert.
Elizabeths mother may well have remarried to a Mr East at some time.
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Thanks for all your help.
It is quite possible that James was a fictitious father; the only thing is that Elizabeth had a son Henry Eustace as well as Sarah, which makes me doubt it.
As you say Elizabeth's mother could have remarried a Mr East. I will buy Elizabeth and Henry Folly's marriage cert to see if it says anything.
Thanks again
Ann :-*
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Hi Ann
Please let us know what Elizabeths marriage cert says ;D
Rosie
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The 1841 census for Great Kimble Bucks has this entry - all born in Bucks but Ann East was 74 in 1861 although dtr Elizabeth was only b 1835
William East 30 agric labourer
Ann 30
John 14
Sarah 11
Caroline 9
Sophia 7
Elizabeth 5
James 3
Rebecca 11 Months
HO107 Piece 41/14 Folio 6 Page 7
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William EAST married Ann ORCHARD. 23 Sep 1827 @ Great Kimble. Witnesses - John Scadding & Solomon Craker. Both of the parish. by Banns.
William East died, and was buried in 1900, aged 92. Whilst Ann(nee.Orchard) dies, and was buried in 1885, Aged 77.
Baptism - 8 May 1836. Elizabeth daughter of William & Ann EAST of Great Kimble.
Burial - 5 Apr 1867. Elizabeth EAST, aged 31 of Great Kimble.
I think this eliminates this line......I think. ???
Steve. :)
From BucksFHS - Great Kimble Pr's. CD.
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Using the BucksFHS church finder facility, using the registration details. The marriage occured @ St Mary's Church, Princes Rsisborough.
Marriage - 22 Sep 1856 by Banns.
Henry(x)FOLLY, aged 25, Bachelor of Princes Risborough, Labourer son of John Folly, Labourer
Elizabeth(x)EUSTACE, aged 25, Spinster of Princes Risborough, Lacemaker daughter of Abraham Eustace, Labourer.
Witnesses - Anne(x)Gomme & John Ayres.
Steve. :)
From BucksFHS - St Mary's Princes Risborough PR's CD.
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Hi their is an Elizabeth Eustace aged 9 in the Marlow Workhouse in 1841?
HO107/53/ 9/4 / 5
In 1851 aged 20 occ Lacemaker b Risbro, she is with Henry aged 30 & Ann 31, Gomme at Row, Wyciombe, I see Ann Gomme was a witness at the marriage to Henry Folly
Census Ref HO107/1720/546/5
Keyboard86
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Might be something or nothing, their is a marriage of a Henry GOOME to (on same page) an Ann Eustace Dec qtr 1844 Wycombe 6 793?
Keyboard86
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Might be something or nothing, their is a marriage of a Henry GOOME to (on same page) an Ann Eustace Dec qtr 1844 Wycombe 6 793?
Keyboard86
I had been looking at that one earlier today when we thought she (Ann the mother) may have married an East ;D
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BucksFHS - St Mary's, Princes Risborough. Pr's CD.
Marriage - 12 Oct 1844 by Banns.
Henry(x)GOOME, aged Fa, Bachelor of Princes Risborough, Labourer son of John Goome, Labourer
Ann(x)EUSTACE, aged Fa, Spinster of Princes Risborough, daughter of Abraham Eustace, Labourer
Witnesses - Joseph(x)Ives & John Ayres.
Seems to be a sister to Elizabeth EUSTACE. ;)
Marriage - 22 Jun 1816 by Banns.
Abraham EUSTACE, Widower otp
Ann(x)BRADWELL, Spinster otp
Witnesses - Jos Bailey & Jane(x)Bradwell
Baptism - 7 Apr 1822. John, son of Abraham & Anne EUSTACE of town, Labourer.
Steve. :)
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Thanks Bucksboy!
I think you have found it! The Kimble family looked good until I realised they were in censuses long after 1861, so eliminated them. I think Sarah's 'father', James Eustace was a fabrication.
Thanks a lot everyone for all your help.
Brilliant!
Ann :D :D :D
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It may be worth asking BucksFHS, to see if there was a baptism for Sarah EUSTACE @ Saunderton.
They can do a County wide search of their baptism database, for a nominal fee of £1. This can be done online, and results emailed. Credit/debit card will be required for this.
Give a spread of years, as baptisms can occur as adults. You will also get the variations of the surname.
Steve. :)
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Thanks Steve,
I had thought about buying some of these CDs of areas where I have a lot of relatives. Have you found the CDs useful?
Thanks again for all your help.
Ann :D :D
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Thanks Steve,
I had thought about buying some of these CDs of areas where I have a lot of relatives. Have you found the CDs useful?
Thanks again for all your help.
Ann :D :D
If you find your rellies are centered in a certain area of Bucks, they are worth the money. One disc is just about more expensive then one cert.
In my experience, they are invaluable. Not only for direct rellies, but also those marrying into your 'blood line'.
Essentially, these CD's have saved me £100's in unwanted certs, together with using the BucksFHS, 'Church finder' facility, which covers 1837 - 1911.
I have uncovered births and deaths/burials of children, that occurred between the census, and most CD's go back to the 1530's, and up to 1901.
Check the BucksFHS web site, for what areas and years, are available on CD.
If you are interested in Princes Risborough, another area of interest will/may be Lacey Green, which covers 'Row', or Loosley Row as it's called. Lacey Green & Loosley Row inhabitants, used St Mary's. P.Risboro', for their bmd's, until they gained their own church in 1825, but some continued to use Princes Risborough, because of 'tradition', I suppose.
If you like having certs for all the b/m/d's, at least you'll have a better idea the correct certs to purchase.
So in short......you'll be nuts not to buy one. ;D ;D
Oh, and Saunderton is yet to published on CD, but they have it in their database, I think.
Steve. :)
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Thanks for that Steve,
a lot of my relatives came from Downley and the West Wycombe area and Chipping Wycombe. I'll have a look at what CD's they've got and buy some.
thanks again.
Ann :D ;) ;D
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Sarah EUSTACE, the child of Elizabeth EUSTACE of Saunderton, was baptized at Wycombe Union Workhouse, Saunderton, on 24 Aug 1855. There is no mention of the child's father. This information comes from 'Wycombe Union - Workhouse Baptisms 1853-1900' published by The EurekA Partnership. See http://eurekapartnership.com/page9.htm
The EurekA Partnership has also published a series of parish registers for High (or Chipping/Chepping) Wycombe. See http://eurekapartnership.com/page3.htm Wesleyan and Primitive Methodist Baptisms can be found via the following link http://eurekapartnership.com/page4.htm and a series of booklets containing miscellaneous records of various parishes (including West Wycombe) at http://eurekapartnership.com/page11.htm
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Thank you for that Orpheus. I hadn't heard of the Eureka Partnership. I have ordered 2 CDs from Bucksfhs. I ordered what I thought was Sarah's brother's birth cert, but I realised after that it was the wrong one. I was hoping to find out if Henry Eustace was born in the workhouse in 1853 and if he had a father recorded.
Thank for all your efforts, it is much appreciated. I am at least closer to working out the family line.
Ann
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Hello'
I am a volunteer research working with Chalk, Cherries and Chairs project in the Chilterns. My project is to find and research families who lived in the local Workhouses and were lacemakers, straw platters and chairmakers. I discovered your interest and would very much like to include your ancestral relation and research further.
I would like your agreement to do so and would appreciate whatever information you can let me have.
Thanks
Peter
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Hi Peter
I would be happy for you to research some of my ancestors. My father's family lived in the High Wycombe area and most of them were in the chair making industry. Sarah Eustace was my 2 x great grandmother. What other information do want?
Regards
Ann
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Dear Ann,
I would like to obtain as much information as you can give me, names, dates and occupations of your family. I am attempting to find 3-4 families to write about and find out where and how they lived. I live near Saunderton and know the area well. The project will be published and exhibited on a permanent basis.
For you information please look at https://www.chilternsaonb.org/projects/CCC.html
This explains the project in detail. Our section is titled Woodlanders Lives and landscapes. I would send you more information but I can't see how to insert a document.
I appreciate your help.
Peter