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William Cave THOMAS 1820-1906 Artist, bachelor. Does anyone have him in their family tree?
His father was William Thomas, a frame maker and gilder who worked, amongst others, for Queen Victoria and Prince Albert.
William Cave Thomas had a brother: Robert (who inherited the framing business on the death of their father) and at least 2 sisters - Maria and Emily. Emily married George Law who was born in Northampton. They married in St Pancras. They had at least 2 children Florence b 1856 and Laura b 1860.
I would dearly like to track down descendents of this family - to find out more about the artist's life.
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He is on a Public Tree on Ancestry, but they have him as dying in 1884.
Son of William Claxton Thomas who in 1851 is "Carver and Gilder. Manufactured picture frames by appontment to Queen Adelaide,the Duchess of Kent, Queen Victoria and the Prince of Wales, the future Edward VII "
And there`s another one of the same name died 1896 ???
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Thanks for that - I believe it is a mistake - he should have been entered as 'working' until 1884. He had 2 entries in the 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica and was certainly eating Sunday lunch with Lucy Rossetti in 1885! Ancestry have him down as dying in 1906, according to an art researcher.
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http://www.yorku.ca/jprs/pdf/Julie_Codell_p25.pdf
1820 - 1896
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There is this death on FreeBMD:
Mar qtr 1906
William Cave Thomas aged 86, Wandsworth 1d 433
www.freebmd.org.uk
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1901 census: RG13/472/107/17
115 Bedford Hill, Streatham
[In a long list of boarders in the household of John Earley, 57 b Lymington Hants]
W Cave Thomas Boarder S 81 Historical painter Marylebone London
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In 1891, William C Thomas, 70, single, historical painter born London Marylebone, is lodging at 8 Fitzroy St, St Pancras in a household headed by Hannah Winton, 59 b Lincoln.
RG12/120/124/36
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Those are all really helpful, thank you - it is definitely 'my' man - the 'historical painter' is proof enough.
It would be great to track down anyone else in his family - through nieces and nephews.
Thans very much.
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From the tree on Anc, these are his siblings.
James Henry Thomas 1826 – 1884 - went to Sydney Au in 1852 married in 1853 to Maria Byrne
St. Phillips Anglican Church, York St. Sydney,
Died 1884 16 Jul. Age: 58 Perth, Western Australia,
According to the tree - this is him. "James Henry English Thomas "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Thomas_(Australian_politician)
Henry Thomas 1827 –
Alfred Thomas 1828 –
Robert Thomas 1831 –
Emily Thomas 1832 –
Albert Samuel Thomas 1835 – 1875
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1881, as Cave Thomas, he's a lodger at 53 Welbeck St, Marylebone (aged 55, historical painter)
One of the other lodgers is John Thomas, harpist to the Queen
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1871 - W Cave Thomas is in St Pancras area with his widowed mother Ann, 73, b Yorkshire, and sister Maria Thane Thomas, 37, b Marylebone
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Baptised at St Marylebone with surname THOMAS:
1820 (7 Jun): William, born 8 May 1820, son of William (trade) & Ann
1822 (2 Oct): George, born 10 May 1822, son of William (trade) & Ann
1825 (30 Jan): Edwin Robins, born 28 Mar 1824, son of William (trade) & Ann, of St Pancras
1828 (12 Mar): James Henry, born 2_? Mar 1826, son of William (carver & gilder) & Ann, of London St, St Pancras
1828 (12 Mar): Alfred, born 5 Jan 1828, son of William (carver & gilder) & Ann, of London St, St Pancras
1831 (5 Jan): Robert Baguley, born 14 Oct 1829, son of William (carver & gilder) & Ann, of London St, St Pancras
1831 (5 Jan): Emily Gowers, born 25 Sep 1831, dau of William (carver & gilder) & Ann, of London St, St Pancras
1834 (30 Jan): Maria Thane, born 7 Feb 1833, dau of William (carver & gilder) & Ann, of 39 London St
1835 (20 Jan): Albert Samuel, born 9 Jan 1835, son of William (carver & gilder) & Ann, of 39 London St, Fitzroy Sq.
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Albert Samuel Thomas 1835 – 1875 sibling
marriage on 30 AUG 1871 in Sydney, NSW to Cecilia Lysaught.
Two daughters one son all born in Au.
No descendant shown for the son, but one daughter Helena Cecilia Thomas
Birth 23 January 1873 in 5 Agnes Terrace, Surry Hills, NSW
Death 27 Dec 1941 in 173 Walker St. North Sydney, NSW seems to have two children both with surname Thomas before her marriage to Jack Duval .
Arthur Royce Thomas
Birth 28 JUN 1898 in Carlton, Vic. Death 17 NOV 1954 in 173 Walker St. North Sydney, NSW
Alan Frank (Bill) Thomas Birth 5 JUN 1904 in Carlton, Vic. Death 20 MAY 1997 in Rooty Hill, NSW
There are descendants of these sons who seem to be alive as they show as "private"
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Marriage, St James Westminster
17 Dec 1818
William THOMAS to Ann CAVE, both of this parish.
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Thanks Mabel - I think I have read that address somewhere before. The harpist is a new lead though - I'll check him out in case he is another member of the thomas family.
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Think not - i hadn't twigged the coincidence of surname, but John Thomas the harpist is Welsh and his antecedents are fairly well understood
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William Cave Thomas is said to have spoken with a Welsh accent - his name was sometimes written down as Cafe because of his 'soft Welsh accent'.
Could be a link - WCT may have been BORN in Marylebone, but his family may have been Welsh?
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Hi,
In The Times (London, England), Saturday, Dec 10, 1859 there is an article recording a meeting at Lord's Cricket Ground of the Marylebone Rifles Corps recommending the formation of a brigade called West Middlesex Rifles, Mr William Cave Thomas was considered for a commission with the rank of Lieutenant.
13th Jan 1868 William Cave Thomas was promoted to Captain in 19th Middlesex Rifle Volunteer Corps.
Could this be the man you are researching?
If you have access to 19th Century British Newspaper and The Times Archives there are various articles on William Cave Thomas as an artist.
JJ
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Another 'snippet' - The London Gazette 16th August 1861 (Patents)
Notice is hereby given, that provisional protection has been allowed -
To William Cave Thomas, of 6, Wells Street, Oxford Street, in the County of Middlesex, for the invention of "improvements in metal casing or armour for the defence of ships and batteries."
On his petition, recorded in the Office of the Commissioners on the 14th day of June, 1861.
JJ
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Some interesting 'snippets' there JJ - could be the corps formed for Artists - yes, truly, there really was one!
Thanks for your help.