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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: blackfacesheep on Sunday 05 May 13 02:37 BST (UK)
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Some time ago, I posted questions about a John Steel who married a Mary Neilson in Lanarkshire, Scotland, somewhere around 1863. Now I'm trying to find out the name of John's parents. John was born in about 1806, I think. Is there anyone else who is tracing this family tree? I know that Mary Neilson was the daughter of John Neilson and Margaret Baird. Any leads would be much appreciated.
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Hi there
Are you sure about that ~marriage year of 1863? That would make John around 57-ish at the time?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,525734.0.html
A four paged topic started in 2011, which includes the following:
Your Gt Grandfather b 1836 Glasgow, believed to be son of John Steel and Mary Neilson
married Jane OWENS, and had issue:
Your Grandfather, Robert Neilson STEEL, b Lancashire
Someone found:
John Steel married Mary Neilson 26 Jul 1831 Barony, Lanarkshire, her father listed as John Neilson
children of John and Mary;
Margaret Baird Steil [sic] born 7 May 1832 Barony
Mary Steel born 7 Dec 1833 Barony
Marion Steel born 24 Jan 1835 Barony
John Steel born 19 Aug 1836 Barony
Jeanie Steel born 22 Apr 1838 Barony
Isabella Steel born 30 Jan 1840 Barony
Some one said:
Going back past Robert Neilson Steel's parents, John Steel and Jane Owens,his mother was Mary Neilson,daughter of John Neilson who was the brother of James Beaumont Neilson. John Neilson was in my opinion equally as important a man,and has an interesting history too,and was very wealthy.
And you asked of a newly found relative & family researcher:
"Do you know the occupation of the John Steel who married Mary Neilson? and do you know the name of that John Steel's father and mother? Do you know where those earlier family members lived? Was it Lanarkshire, Scotland, as I believe it was?" who replied:
"in answer to your last three questions,yes,yes and yes" and was going to privately communicate with you.
If that list of children for John STEEL and Mary NEILSON is right, the naming pattern suggests his parents could be named John & Mary.
Cheers
AMBLY
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From Scotlands People, Wills Index
Action dated: 20/07/1849 , Glasgow Sherriff Court,
Ref: WILLS SC36/51/27 - CODICILS:
John Steel, Formerley Accountant at Thistle Bank, Glasgow
Thereafter Boot and Shoe Manufacturer in Glasgow, Spouse of:
1) Mary NEILSEN
2) Euphemia THOMSON, dau of the late Hohn THOMSON of Kilmarnock
Contract of Marriage with wife nr 2.
There is also the Inventory dated 20 Jul 1849, Glasgow Sherriff Court,
Ref:INVENTORIES SC36/48/35
John STEEL, Boot & Shoe Manufacturer in Glasgow, spouse of Euphemia THOMSON
Cheers
AMBLY
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http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
1841 - York Street, Glasgow St Peters
John STEEL 40, Shoemaker - Y
Mary STEEL 7 - Y
Mirion STEEL 6 - Y
John STEEL 4 - Y
Jean STEEL 3 - Y
Mary PARK 16 - Y
Euphemia McPHERSON 25, F.S. - N
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thank you AMBLY for the information.
The marriage date of 1860s is wrong. I now know that John Steel, who married Mary Neilson, was born in 1806 and they married in 1831, as you correctly stated. John was a banker/accountant and also a shoe maker whose business did well enough for him to fund the building of the Govan Railway.
His son, John Neilson Steel, was born in 1836 and married Jane Owens in 1858. Their eldest son, Robert Neilson Steel was my grandfather and he was born around 1858-60, I believe.
It is the parents of the John who married Mary Neilson that I have been unable to trace.
once again, thank you. Every little piece of the puzzle helps.
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Yeah, seems you are connected to our Neilson family.
Hope you all are well.
In case you have not found John STEELs parents, they were John STEEL and Mary McNEILLAGE.
:)
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Thank you so much for that information, Mk2_Zephyr
I haven't been working on family history for a while but your message came through via my emails and I'll now be able to file it with my other family information.
How is it that you are connected to the Neilson family?
Cheers
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Hi Did the Steels attend boarding school in Ayr? It looks like it was run by a relative of Mary Baird.
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Hi Did the Steels attend boarding school in Ayr? It looks like it was run by a relative of Mary Baird.
Correct.
Some interesting family people in the school and boarding house over the years. ;)
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I really don't know where my Steel relatives went to school. It is possible that it was in Ayr as all but my grandfather and his descendants remained in Scotland. I would love to be able to find out.
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go to my facebook page John Neilson 1779 -1855 there is a file and in it there may be some information as I think they went to a school in Ayr
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Hi there,
Just wondered if you could confirm (what I have read ..somewhere on here and cannot find it now!) That John Steel's parents were John Steel and Mary McNeillage. Do you know where and when John was born? I am researching the Neilson family as I am descended from John Neilson and his daughter Mary who married John Steel.
Many thanks if you think you can help me. Good luck with your own research. Best wishes, Islay
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I an in Glasgow at the moment visiting family sites I have a family tree somewhere. I certainly have details os john Neilson s father Walter and his father Walter so that will give a clue. I've not looked at the steel but they are listed in 1861 ayr census
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Ooh, one of my favourite cities! Love Glasgow! It always feels like coming home for me, although I have never lived there: I expect it is the family history connection. Anyway, lucky you to be there, and thank you so much for taking the time to add your message.
I would love to know more about
John Neilson's father Walter Neilson and Walter's father too. Anything you feel able to share would be much appreciated and of great interest. Hope you have a successful time with your own research. This becomes addictive,doesn't it? Thank you for your generous offer of help, and enjoy Glasgow!
Best wishes, Islay
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Hi do you have my email address that way I can send you the file.
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Hallo again, SamMary,
I do not have your email address, sorry! Not sure how to do these things privately as I am not very good with computers.
Hope you are enjoying your trip.
Best wishes, Islay
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Yes the visit is great visited the rose garden and saw the headstone of John and James. Also relative Walter who set up the Neilson loco works a lot of detail s are held in the Mitchell library. I did have a quick look at the 1861 census certainly steel children are at school in ayr it looks like the bird school was filled with relatives. I may be able to attach a file but it's not possible on my phone