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Research in Other Countries => US Lookup Requests => United States of America => US Completed Requests => Topic started by: helenjean on Thursday 02 May 13 06:54 BST (UK)
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Would love to know what happened to this couple after they arrived in New York from Glasgow Scotland in April 1910 aboard SS California, just a fortnight after their marriage. John (my grand-uncle) born in Derry, Northern Ireland in 1884, was a bricklayer and may also have gone to Baltimore for work in that trade in 1905 (arrival aboard SS Caledonia); my cousins seem to think they may have gone to Canada, but I haven't been able to find anything in border crossings on Ancestry so far. John's father was also John, his mother Rebecca nee Weir (died 1902 in Scotland) and Lizzie's dad was Peter, a ship rigger and mother Elizabeth nee Gillespie. Would love to get some leads! Thanks in anticipation
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Passenger list says John was in the USA 1905 - 1909. The couple were heading to a friend in 1910, Samuel Smith 474 East 135 th New York. Final Destination also stated as New York.
Father John 6 Lennox Place, Dalmuir. Scotland.
Arrival date in the USA was 11 April 1910 and the census was the 15th April 1910 ???
Sandra
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Hi
1940 US Census
Ward 19, Chicago, Cook County, Illinois
John Gallagher, head, 56, Northern Ireland, bricklayer
Elizabeth Gallagher, wife, 51, Scotland
Kevin
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The 1920 Chicago Ward 29, Cook (Chicago), Illinois
John Gallagher 38 Born Ireland. Immigrated 1904. NA 1919. bricklayer. Building.
Elizabeth Gallagher 31 Born Scot. Parents born Scotland. Immigrated 1910
Chicago, Cook, Illinois in 1930
John Gallagher 45 First married at 25 years. Bricklayer. Construction Co.
Elizabeth Gallagher 41 First married at 21 years.
Sandra
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Thanks Kevin and Sandra: I had the arrival,(a definite match, as the address matches that of his sister and father), but not the final destination in 1910. Not sure about the age difference in the 1940 Census as Elizabeth was five years older than John according to the record of their marriage on 25 Mar 1910, although according to the arrival record in 1910, she was only one year older. Sounds promising though! Re the friend named Smith they went to in 1910, it was a John Smith, also a bricklayer who travelled with John in 1905 ... could be just a coincidence (and Smith is a very common name, of course). Thanks so much to both of you! :) Helen
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Looking at the image of the 1940 census - Elizabeth could be 61 years ??? John 56 years - so the 5 years would be correct.
Sandra
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Great! Looks like we've found them. Wonder if they had children...the answers just throw up more questions. Many thanks. Helen
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Looking at the census 1920/30/40 it doesn't look as if they did have children. :'(
Sandra
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WW2 Draft - John Gallagher - 29 March 1884 Londonderry Ireland.
Resides 718 W 103 rd street Chicago Cook Illinois. Name and address of person who will always know him :- Elizabeth Gallagher at the same address. Employer. United Engineers and Construction Co 25th & Euclid Ave. Chicago Heights. Cook. Illinois.
Sandra
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Strangely the birth date on the WW1 Draft is a month earlier ??? John Gallagher 28 Feb 1884.
He had declared his intention to become a citizen at this date. Bricklayer for Inter State Iron & Steel.
Nearest relative :- Elizabeth Gallagher. John was medium height (5 ft 6 ins) Medium Build, Brown Eyes and Black hair. No Distinguising Marks.
Sept 1918
Sandra
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US Naturalization Index gives the same birth date as the WW1 draft. John Gallagher. Ireland. Feb 28th 1884. Resides 5142 S. Bishop Street. Naturalized Sept 24 1919
Witnesses were David Walker and Betsy Blythe Walker. 5206 S. Bishop Street.
Supreme Court Cook County Illinois.
Sandra
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John was born on 29 March 1884 (I have his birth certificate), but I'm sure this is the right John Gallagher (amongst the thousands of Gallagher men named John). Thank you so much for your sleuthing...and my family will be so pleased to hear about John and Elizabeth's adventures in America - it has been such a mystery! I will look further at his military records on Ancestry.com too, so I can learn where he served. :) Helen
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All men of a certain age were required to complete the draft registration cards. It doesn't mean that they were actually drafted or ever served in the military.
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Hi :)
Just to confirm the age difference for the record! I started looking at this very early this morning but got side tracked and then had to do an urgent Photoshop project for work.
Anyway, I looked at their marriage cert and found that there was a 5 year age diff. - John was 26 and Elizabeth was 31. See attached.
Gadget
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Thanks Shelley and to everybody else for solving these family mysteries...as they seem to have had no children, I guess there is little chance of finding either of them on any family trees! I posted originally only a couple of hours ago, and now I have all these answers :) :) Great stuff and thanks once again. Helen
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How would I go about finding dates of death for John and Lizzie? Ancestry.com searches show several possibilities, but the images shown don't have enough detail to be confident that I would be looking at the right ones. ::) Helen
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Hi Helen,
Shelly said on another thread yesterday that " Ancestry.com is scanning Pennsylvania death certificates and they are due to be online by the end of 2013"
Have you tried reading the thread - Pennsylvania Death Indexes, 1906-1961. Plus listed in the resources thread.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,582973.0.html
Death Indexes:-
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=1085804&mode=2
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra: my couple were last traced to Cook County Illinois (1940 census): is there something similar for that state? ???
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Links to Cook County death indexes, etc. - http://www.deathindexes.com/illinois/cook.html
The WWII Draft Registration cards generally available to the public are from 27 April 1942, so we know they were alive then.
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Thanks Shelly ;) for the link and also for giving me a point in time to start from - it's a big list! Helen
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I've just been given this photo post card by a cousin: on the back is "Chicago Photo Postal Studio, 5109 Ashland Ave." and by the look of the clothes, it might have been taken in the early years of last century. Could this be John and Lizzie perhaps? (I don't know of any other family connection to Chicago). Is there a way of finding the studio? :-\
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There are some city directories for Chicago online here - http://www.chicagoancestors.org/#tab-tools I tried looking under the business listings for photographers in the 1910 directory. Lots of photographers were on Ashland Avenue, but a quick look did not reveal any at that address.
Did you ever figure out when John & Lizzie died?
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Thanks Shelly -
I'm having some difficulty downloading PDFs at the moment (computer trouble!), but I did notice on the site you sent the link for, a reference to renumbering of Chicago streets in 1911. No, I haven't found dates of death for either John or Lizzie - the list of possible matches was very long and there were no clues on the Cook County Death Indexes (that I could see) to help with shortening the list for either (very common) name. The only other possible avenues that I can think of are via John's employer or cemetery/obituary records: any clues would be very much appreciated! :-*
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I think this is Elizabeth's death - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9J-CTNT
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Wow: thanks Shelly! I will explore further, now this has narrowed down the search for John's date of death to between 1942 and 1963, and presumably I should start looking at the same cemetery. :-*
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I have recently found John's death on Family Search: 14 Mar 1953 at Evergreen park, Cook, Illinois address 718 West 103rd Street burial at Calumet Park, Illinois (Cedar Park Cemetery - Elizabeth is buried there too) - so I guess this ties up the last loose end with this couple. The informant was one Rose O'Connor - I've no idea what that connection is - and of course the cause of death is not shown. Anyway, thanks so much everybody for your interest - much appreciated! ;) Helen