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Title: 17thC Scots' marriage record "rawn" "log dollar"
Post by: Janie Carol on Thursday 02 May 13 00:13 BST (UK)

I am looking at an OPR marriage record ( Liberton, 1684) which has a phrase that looks like "signed a log dollar".  This is repeated in several of the legible entries.  Another entry has the phrase "rawn not found".   I imagine that they refer to the banns/contract process but does anyone know what these words mean?

Title: Re: 17thC Scots' marriage record "rawn" "log dollar"
Post by: Alexander. on Thursday 02 May 13 00:33 BST (UK)

Hi,

Are you able to post an image of the marriage record? I can't imagine what either of them mean without seeing the context.

Alexander

Title: Re: 17thC Scots' marriage record "rawn" "log dollar"
Post by: Janie Carol on Thursday 02 May 13 00:37 BST (UK)

Hi, Yes here it is.  It doesn't look like secretary hand and the words are fairly clear. 
Many thanks.

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Title: Re: 17thC Scots' marriage record "rawn" "log dollar"
Post by: Alexander. on Thursday 02 May 13 00:44 BST (UK)

A leg-dollar was a coin, see
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/getent4.php?plen=4073&startset=30145417&query=Leg-dollor&fhit=Leg-Dollo+u+r&dregion=form&dtext=dost#fhit

I believe the other phrase is "no cau[tio]n found".

I'm not particularly familiar with Scottish marriage registers so I will leave it to someone else to explain exactly what was meant.

Alexander

Title: Re: 17thC Scots' marriage record "rawn" "log dollar"
Post by: Janie Carol on Thursday 02 May 13 00:53 BST (UK)

Thanks Alexander, that will give me something to work on.  I was just looking at an online secretary hand tutorial and I notice that the letter 'c' appears like a modern 'r'.  I think I've just found Elspet's father's birth in 1630 which is definitely secretary hand. I've never managed to get a line so far back before so I will need to get myself up to speed deciphering it.
Janie

Title: Re: 17thC Scots' marriage record "rawn" "log dollar"
Post by: Bookbox on Thursday 02 May 13 01:13 BST (UK)

Something similar came up in another thread a few days ago

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,644253.msg4910807.html#msg4910807

Title: Re: 17thC Scots' marriage record "rawn" "log dollar"
Post by: GR2 on Thursday 02 May 13 08:08 BST (UK)

                                                Jary 13

dollar delivered         Contracted David Browne in this paroch and Elspeth
                              Elphingstowne in Eddilstowne paroch c(on)signed a rex
                              dollar married the 7th of March next yrafter


paroch = parish

Eddilstowne = Eddleston

consigned is abbreviated at the beginning

rex dollar = a rix dollar - a northern European silver coin in circulation in Scotland at the time

yrafter = thereafter - y is often written for the old letter "thorn" = th

dollar delivered - as there was no scandal associated with the wedding and it had gone ahead within forty days, the deposit of a dollar was delivered (i.e. returned) to the couple

Title: Re: 17thC Scots' marriage record "rawn" "log dollar"
Post by: Janie Carol on Thursday 02 May 13 15:33 BST (UK)

Many thanks indeed for the help with deciphering and associated explanations .  I'm always learning something new.
Thanks again
Janie

Title: Re: 17thC Scots' marriage record "rawn" "log dollar"
Post by: Archivos on Thursday 02 May 13 16:26 BST (UK)

"No cau[tione]r found" is 'no cautioner found'.  A 'cautioner' (pronounced 'caay-shoner') was a guarantor.