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James Henry Priaulx was born 1864 in Guernsey, Channnel Islands. He immigrated to NSW in 1882. He spent his early years in the northern rivers (Lismore, Casino, Broadwater) and northern tablelands (Armidale to Murrurrundi), marrying Sarah Ruth Elizabeth Gimbert at Uralla in 1887 as James Henry Preeo, the phonetic spelling of Priaulx.
They moved to back to the Lismore area around 1885 and to Surry Hills 1890s and Newtown around 1900. Evidently he had a hard and disappointing life.
James had a warrant issued against him for wife desertion in 1916, the last record I can find on him. I realise that he is probably buried under an assumed name or in a paupers grave, however I would like to get closure on this.
Any assistance on finding out what became of him, or what may have become of him, would be welcome.
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His parents names may help in finding them if you have them?
Neil
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Have checked out Trove, and can only find two significant articles re Preeo.
The first has to do with a robbery at his? shop
Clarence and Richmond Examiner
Saturday 24 October 1891
Possibly having a shop at Broadwater, Richmond Valley
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/61240847?searchTerm=James Henry Preeo&searchLimits=
The Sydney Morning Herald
Monday 13 May 1940
Death of wife Sarah
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17674895?searchTerm=James Henry Preeo&searchLimits=
The only Preeo on Ryerson was for 1996
Nothing else I can find at the moment.
Hope this is of some help
A Chesters
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Could this be.... :o
1935 death in Country Queensland
James Priaulx, Father: George Heiaume, Mother: Mary Sarvie Ref # 1935/C2177
Neil :)
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You probably have these but TROVE also has
Funeral Notice for Sarah's brother, John Joseph GIMBERT. Lists Sarah's children with married names and residences. 1920
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15903473
TROVE has other Family Notices for the next generation also. Judith
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Seems the above married 1931 in Country Qld.
GROOM James Priaulx, BRIDE Gertrude May Crump, REF # 1931/C1001
Neil
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Could this be.... :o
1935 death in Country Queensland
James Priaulx, Father: George Heiaume, Mother: Mary Sarvie Ref # 1935/C2177
Neil :)
Seems the above married 1931 in Country Qld.
GROOM James Priaulx, BRIDE Gertrude May Crump, REF # 1931/C1001
Neil
George Heiaume PRIAULX emigrated to SA from Guernsey in 1849 and married Mary SARRE in SA.
Son James was born in Adelaide 15 Jan 1860, and married Ellen Murphy in SA on 8 Jan 1896, had two children in Broken Hill before moving to Queensland where they had more children.
Essie
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So the chap in Qld is not the right one - looked good though!
FamilySearch has this record
James Henry PRIAULX, Male
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 30 May 1865
Birthplace: SAINT MARTIN,GUERNSEY,CHANNEL ISLANDS
Father's Name: Jean Priaulx
Mother's Name: Nancy Williams
Judith
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Oh well ::)
The death of his 2nd wife Ellen is noted as well in country Qld.
Try again, if it's too good to be true, then it probably is ??? Thanks Essie, no good going off at a tangent. 8)
Neil ;D
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Thanks All
The Queensland Priaulx's are an unrelated branch, I think they originally came to Australia through SA.
I have the TROVE references that you have mentioned and, Judith, you are on the money as to the names of his parents, Father's Name: Jean Priaulx Mother's Name: Nancy Williams. I have traced my Priaulx family in Guernsey back to 1600 if anyone's interested.
terry
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James Henry Priaulx was born 1864 in Guernsey, Channnel Islands. He immigrated to NSW in 1882. He spent his early years in the northern rivers (Lismore, Casino, Broadwater) and northern tablelands (Armidale to Murrurrundi), marrying Sarah Ruth Elizabeth Gimbert at Uralla in 1887 as James Henry Preeo, the phonetic spelling of Priaulx.
Hi there,
May I presume you have that 1887 NSW BDM marriage cert (or official transcript) and there's elusive blanks for various sections including the family history vital bits ? (#6644 NSW BDM ref) so it could be that you cannot use the mc to confirm his parents names, nee names, father's occupation, his age, his occupation, place of birth or the bride's details either?
If so, here's a thread I did up to help overcome those hurdles....
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html
I will get cracking on looking through my offline NSW hardcopy records to see if I can help further.
Cheers, JM
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1900, Sands Directory Sydney Alpha
James PREEO, tailor, 5 Foster St (Surry Hills)
1903 NSW Electoral Roll SOUTH SYDNEY, polling at Macdonaldtown
HARD TO READ THE SURNAME on my copy …. Could be either PREEO or PREES
Sarah, 79 Wilson St, Newtown, domestic duties. NO OTHERS with the surname at that polling place., and more than likely that this was NOT James’ wife.
Sarah PREEO at Rookwood Methodist.
12 May 1940, aged 69 Sarah Ruth Elizabeth PREEO Section 3C, Row 26, Plot 939, interred 13 May 1940. On the Rookwood Independent Cemetery ONLINE index as GREES ::) …. http://www.rookwoodindependent.com.au/
So, it could be that James’ surname has been mishmashed up too ….
Cheers, JM
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17674895 smh 13 May 1940 .... Funeral announcement for Sarah PREEO .... noticing her then address 65 Wilson St NEWTOWN .... so perhaps that was her on the 1903 Electoral Roll.... I wonder if persons born Channel Islands in the 19th C were automatically British Subjects .... if not, then perhaps James needed to apply for Naturalisation .... and thus there could be a paper trail to seek out :)
Cheers, JM
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I have the impression that James had left the relationship with Sarah around 1900 and that she had moved in with her father, William, at Newtown/Macdonaldtown, who had rescued her from the slums of Surry Hills. I also have the impression, from family recollections, that James then led an itinerant life from then on.
Sarah and James had a hard life and it seems that James was a victim of the Depression of the 1890s. After their marriage at Uralla they moved in with Sarah's parents at Murrurundi (Sarah was 16) and then to Lismore/Broadwater before ending up in he slums of Surry Hills mid 1890s. James was orphaned in Guernsey at the age of 6. He lived with his aunt and emigrated to NSW in 1882 at the age of 18. Not the most auspicious upbringing and one thinks one that did not prepare him for life in the colonies.
As for the spelling of Preeo, I can vouch for the mismatch of spellings having put up with many versions in my life. Pree, Prees, Prior, Preed, Preeco, Preo, Prio, just to name a few.
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Do you have a copy of the registration of their marriage?
Agh, so it IS your Sarah in 1903 :) Also on that particular Roll with surname GIMBERT and at 79 Wilson St Newtown were Alice, Ruth and William. William was a contractor. The ladies were at their domestic duties.
Some further bits and pieces
NSW Police Gaz. 29 March 1916
Wife Desertion
James Preeo, 50 years of age, 6 ft tall, medium build, sallow complexion, dark hair and moustache, thin features, dressed in a navy-blue suit and soft-felt or straw boat hat; a tailer. Complainant : Sarah Preeo, 65 Wilson Street, NEWTOWN.
NSW ER 1913 NEWTOWN, polling at Wilson Street
PREEO, Sarah, 65 Wilson St, Newtown domestic duties NO OTHERS with that surname at that address.
1930 and later Electoral rolls ….
Sarah (no further given names) PREEO, 65 Wilson St Newtown …. Home duties
HOWEVER, just to confuse the issue:
1913 NSW ER HARTLEY, polling at Wallerawang
Sarah PREEO, Wallerawang, housekeeper. (no others with that surname there)
Cheers, JM
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The Wallerawang record is a new on on me and seems a little bit out of kilter with the rest of the narrative. However, the Preeo spelling of Priaulx is unique to my family. Sarah may have accompanied James there before moving into 65 Wilson St where she ran a boarding house for some time. She lived there until her death in 1940.
I hadn't got a transcript of their marriage cert, basically because I thought I had all the details I needed. Quite happy to get one if you think it would add value.
Additionally, I just assumed that Channel Islanders would be classed as British. The Channel Islands are part of the UK and have been since 1200, even though it has its own currency and passports. James came out on the Abergeldie which brought out many British migrants from Portsmouth. The ships record doesn't indicate nationality.
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Terry, have you looked to see if James Henry returned to Gt Britain IE: Guernsey ???
Just another possibility. ::)
Neil
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Also terry what is the "Priaulx Library" It seems to be the only place to get Parish records for Guernsey. ???
Is this a part of your heritage or is that such a common name in the Island. ::)
Neil 8)
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Would James Henry have been born on the Island of St Martin and then been apprenticed as a Tailor and stayed with his Grandfather on Guernsey as Boarders in 1881. ???
Sorry lots of questions but just trying to help. :P
Neil ;)
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Hi Neil
Thanks for you efforts. I have the Guernsey side of things covered. The Priaulx Library was started by Carteret Priaulx, a merchant who had a role in starting the first bank in Guernsey. I gather the merchants of the time were boarderline pirates. No relation. My family originated in the Forest, or la Floret, and then St Martins, both parishes. I was fortunate enough to visit Guernsey in 2011 and, as they say, trod the paths of my ancestors. Anyone researching Channel Islands ancestors is fortunate because of the wealth of information available to them, although much is only available on the island and most of that, particularly the parish records, have not been digitised. Guernsey has an active genealogical society.
There are no records to suggest James moved back to Guernsey and I can't find a record of him leaving Australia.
The 1881 census record you mentioned is correct. His grandfather, Jean, and James were living with Jean's daughter, James' aunt, Lucie Moon, in St Peters Port. It was here that James learnt his trade of Tailor as that was his uncle James' trade.
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Hi
Maybe worth checking from AGCI
Henry Priaulx and Amelia Priaulx death 11 September 1945 NZL Auckland Purewa Cemetery Transcript.
Muss
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While James Henry may not have ventured to his home he may have gone back to England somewhere or to NZ as there was a fair amount of movement around that time. The recession/depression of the 1890's saw a lot of people change trades as more engineering type roles were coming in and held growth prospects along with mining.
I will continue to look?
Do you know anyone on the Island that can do look ups "for free" All of the online seems a bit expensive over $10 au.?
Neil
Modified..
OOH sorry Muss you red jammed my post. :-*
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Amelia Reid married John Priaulx in 1892 Ref # 1892/861
Neil
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Sorry for the long post, I am not a very good wordsmith….
I am suggesting that you should consider obtaining the information from the parish register for the 1887 marriage of your James PREEO. This is because it is likely to be the only document that is based on information that James provided directly about himself to any official in NSW. You should expect to learn the following from the parish register….. (the NSW BDM register may not have all the information, as I explained in the thread I linked in reply # 11).
Groom’s name (Christian name/s and Surname
Status (Bachelor, Divorcee, Widower)
Place of Birth (I have 1888 NSW marriage, and the document shows the English Village, and County)
Occupation
Age
Usual Residence
Father (his full names, and quite often, if known to be deceased, that is noted here too)
Occupation (or Profession/Rank etc)
Mother (her full names, and maiden name if known, and sometimes other surnames, eg if re-married)
Same for the Bride
Date of the Marriage, then the place, the denomination (according to the rites of ………………………..) the names of the witnesses, and the name of the Minister. The parish register will also note who provided consent for any minors to marry. This can also be a significant piece of information for family history purposes. In NSW in that era, persons aged under 21 years were lawfully considered to be INFANTS (ie minors) and so had no lawful right to be heard directly, or to give consent by themselves. Thus to enter into a marriage contract they required the consent of an adult person who was already responsible for them. The person giving consent is named and their relationship to the person (bride or groom) is noted on the parish registers.
The ‘real deal’ cert from the NSW BDM and thus also the Official Transcript of the ‘real deal’ cert OFTEN does not have all the above details, if it is for a marriage 1856-1895. Some of the NSW BDM registers were reconciled to the parish registers back around 100 years ago. The parish registers DO have all the information that was required by the various denominations Church laws. The elusive blanks are detailed on that linked thread.
I find it significant to get to the parish registers particularly when there’s changes to surnames, as in your instance. The parish register will show you the signature of the groom, or if he made his mark.
If you don’t know which denomination, or the actual church where Sarah married James then you will need to get a copy of the official transcription before you can proceed.
Many Cheers,
JM
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May I please ask for the name of the ship for James migration in 1882.
Cheers, JM (See I can do short posts :) )
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I can see a James Priaulex, aged 18, a tailor, native of Guernsey, C of E, can Read and Write, as a passenger on the Abergeldie arriving 3 Feb 1884 to Sydney NSW.
NSW SRO has digitised images available no charge :
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316
So I find it a tad confusing that a chap would could read and write when he arrived in 1884, has his surname recorded with a phonetic spelling when he married in 1887 and that new surname becomes the surname for him and his descendents in NSW… . It is why I am asking about the information James PREEO provided to the clergyman when being interviewed prior to marriage at Uralla in 1887.
Cheers, JM
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Hi there,
The volunteer transcriber for the Mariners website has the chap on the Abergeldie as Jas PRIESLLEY ….
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1884/02/010abe.htm
Cheers, JM
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Arthur J PRECO, aged 37, Service 29 July 1927 buried Rookwood Roman Catholic Cemetery Sec M2 E, 1146
http://search.catholiccemeteries.org.au/
Mundia has image of the local registration at Redfern (as opposed to NSW BDM HQ) for that death (and of course the others on same page of that local register)
(Adding, this is James and Sarah PREEO's son, death at the Coast Hospital, Little Bay)
Still no closer to finding James PREEO though.
Have you sought out any headstone inscription for Arthur ?
Cheers, JM
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Hi
the Rookwood disc records Arthur as
PRE ??? Arthur J died 27.7.1927 aged 37 headstone Inscription " my Husband"
Looks like 3 others in same grave
PRE?? Warren B died 22.11.1935 aged 17 HI " Our son Warren and Arthur"
PETERSON Blanche C died 10.10.1912 aged 42 HI : "My wife our Mother"
PETERSON Gustav ALbert died 16.3.1939 aged 77 HI "husband of above"
In the Methodist section 3C row 27 grave 939
PREEO Sarah Elizabeth Ruth 12.5.1940 aged 69 "grandmother of Albert and Blanche" and
GIMBERT Frederick 23.6.1943 aged 60 "husband of Lilah ?"
hope this helps
Cass
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Thanks to you all for your input. I have attached a narrative which will answer a number of questions that you have posed and will put hopefully answer them. I have attempted to post the document that the narrative came from but it is too large. I should have done this earlier.
terry