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I am searching for Richard Hathornthwaite born in or near lancaster, in 1675. His daughter Ann was baptised in Lancaster about 1700.
Any info greatly appreciated.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
There is this one in 1669 :-\
Richard Hathornthwait
Christened 16 May 1669
St Mary, Lancaster
Father George Hathornthwait
Batch P00590-1
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Was this their first child,
Marriage
St Mary Lancaster
5th August 1682
Rich Hathornthwaite,of Wiresdale
Ann Dickonson of Melling
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Possible siblings for Ann christened at St Mary's Lancaster
Elizabeth 20 June 1697
Margaret 06 Feb 1698
Mary 28 September 1702
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Thank you so much for the info. It looks as though this is my Richard Hathornthwaite. Onwards and upwards.
Jackie
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Just checking dates here, and can't see my Richard being married at 13, and no children before 1697 if this is his marriage, any thoughts please ?
Thanks, Jackie
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I am searching for Richard Hathornthwaite born in or near lancaster, in 1675. His daughter Ann was baptised in Lancaster about 1700.
Possible siblings for Ann christened at St Mary's Lancaster
Elizabeth 20 June 1697
Margaret 06 Feb 1698
Mary 28 September 1702
Did Ann marry William Helme?
Wm Helme Goosnargh
Anne Hathornthwaite Wyersdale 28 Jan 1724
Marriages from Lancashire: Lancaster - Parish Register, 1691-1748
Anne Hathornthwaite bapt 22 Sep 1700 St Mary Father Richd Hathornthwaite
Reference Number: Pr 3262/1/2
Reads, Anne daughter of Rich’d Hathornthwaite of Lower L?(Smudged) in Wye*d**
Hathornthwaite bapt 28 Sep 1702 St Mary father Rich'd Hathornthwaite
Reference Number: Pr 3262/1/2
Reads, Mary daughter of Ric’d Hathornthwaite of ? Lo Wyersdail
Margaret d. of Richd Hathernwaite of Lower Lee Wyersd: 06 Feb 1697
Margaret Hathornwaite bapt 6 Feb 1697 St Mary father Richd Hathornwaite
Reference Number: Pr 3262/1/2
Elizabeth d. of Richd Hathernwaite of Wyersdale 20 Jun 1697
there's this burial - a possible son - no age given :-\
Richard Hathornthwaite of Wyersdale 23 Jun 1701
Burials (Burial) from Collection Lancaster - Parish Register, 1691-1748
Reference Number: Pr 3262/1/2
There's this baptism for a Richard probably too early to be their father ???
Richard s. of Thomas Hathornthwaite of the Lower Leey in Wirsd: 31 Jul 1650, Baptisms from Lancaster - Parish Register, 1559-1690
- perhaps this Richard is the one that married Ann Dickonson of Melling as posted by Radcliff
their father Richard more likely to be the 1669 baptism as posted by Rosie99 ???
Richard Hathornthwaite bapt 16 May 1669 St Mary father Ger (think it reads Geo) of Bul?
Reference Number: Pr 3262/1/1
(source An*y)
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Ladyhawk
Thank you so much for this. Yes Ann married William Helme, so I think we have it right.
Jackie
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I have a large amount of data on Hathornthwaites (my family name), and I am not sure that the correspondence to date has this quite right about Ann daughter of Richard Hathornthwaite (but I am always willing to be corrected by new evidence). The problem is that there were two Richard Hs living at the same time in Over Wyresdale, about a mile apart. One was at Lower Lee. His was a wealthy family. He was the one who married Ann Dickonson and baptised a daughter Ann 22 Sep 1700 Lancaster St Mary, of the Lower Lee. I think this Ann probably married James Walmsley 11 Apr 1724 Lancaster St Mary. This branch of the H family later claimed (in a lengthy 1816 Will) to be related to the Walmsley family. This Richard H was bur 15 Feb 1728/9 Lancaster St Mary as Richard H of Lower Leey.
However, there was another Richard H in Tarnbrook just up the road from Lower Lee who was bur 22 Feb 1737/8 as Richard H of Tarnbrook and whose 1737 Will names William Helme as Executor, suggesting he was very likely a son in law, so it is probably his daughter Ann who married William Helme, Joiner of Goosnargh, on 28 Dec 1724 Lancaster St Mary, although this Ann's baptismal record appears to be lost.
Altogether, this is a complex area. Many PR records appear lost, as is apparent from a close study of H Wills which often mention far more individuals than appear in the PRs.
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Peter
Thank you for this info. which I will look at in depth. As records are lost we tend to come up against a brick wall. Any other info gratefully received.
Jackie
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Peter
You are I think right. Do you happen to know who Richard H of Tarnbrook married, or who his parents were please ? This info would help me a lot.
Thanks
Jackie
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His second wife was Ellen ASH of [Dutton Lee?], Ribchester, m 15 Oct 1692 Lancaster St Mary, bur 28 Sep 1741 Wyresdale Chapel or Nov 1748 Wyresdale Chapel (can't work out which, can you?). His 1737 Will leaves "my wife Elling" the "tenement at Dutton Lee". In 1708 he renewed a lease on a farm in Dutton [presumably Dutton Lee] which appears in the Registers of the Estates of Lancashire Papists 1717-1718. I have no idea if he was the Papist, or whether it was the owner of the land. Probably the latter, though some Hs in Overwyresdale were papists.
Richard seems to have had an earlier wife but I have not found the marriage.
Nor have I found his baptism. However I believe him to be the son of Richard H c 17 Feb 1629/30 Lancaster St Mary f. Johnis, bur 23 Jun 1701 Lancaster St Mary as Richard H of Wyresdale. Unfortunately he died intestate, but there is a 1701 Admon for Richard H of Upper Wyresdale, Yeoman, Dowager, which seems to be him, signed by his son Richard, so it is clear he had a son Richard even though the baptism appears to be lost.
Hope this helps. Any info on Hathornthwaites you spot would be much appreciated, particularly H mentions in non-H Wills, which can be helpful but impossible to search for systematically.
Peter
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Peter
Thank you for that. I will see if I can dig anything up and let you know if I do.
Regards
Jackie
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Jackie
For a fuller rendition of what we think we know about Richard Hathornthwaite of Tarnbrook, and all his tribe, you might like to go to www.haythornthwaite.com where (amongst other things) you can consult or download my book "The Hathornthwaites". If you want, you can then email me direct with further information or questions. In addition to the book content, I have transcriptions/extracts of about 90 H-related Wills, which you might find of relevance to your research. The version of the book online is the state of play as at 31 Dec 2012, and does not include the very recently noticed fact that William Helme who married Ann Hathornthwaite was an Executor of this Richard H's 1737 Will. At that stage, I was unclear which Ann she was. Now I think I know (but always subject to new evidence!)
Regards
Peter
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Peter, Good Afternoon
Wow, I was very impressed by your book, of course I haven't had time to read it all as yet, given time I will.
I am no expert in this field, and have bumbled along the best I could with Ancestry.
I doubt that I will uncover anything that you do not already know. However, it is kind of you to offer assistance, and I will accept with thanks.
Regards,
Jackie
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Jackie
Other than Ancestry, I expect you are aware of Lancs Online Parish Clerks, which is excellent (but for Lancashire only) and free! Beyond that, I have found some fascinating snippets by simply googling a person's name and some related words like rent, or prison, or debt or freeman or clock. This often comes up with an unexpected out of print book digitised by Google, or a reference to the person in Abstracts from the National Archives. You never know what you are going to find, so you might well stumble on something new.
Best wishes
Peter
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Peter
Thank you. Richard Hathornthwaite is my 7th GGF.
Regards
Jackie