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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: KAJ58 on Saturday 27 April 13 09:09 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace back from Andrew Jardine (b 1836 in Annan) and his wife Elizabeth Harkness (b 1839 in Brydekirk) they were apparently 2nd or 3rd cousins.
Andrews father was James Jardine (no confirmed birth date and place but maybe st mungo) and Elizabeth's mother was Janet Jardine b January 1812 in Canonbie -daughter of William Jardine and Elizabeth (maybe illegitimate).
I would appreciate any assistance prior to coming to Scotland later in the year.
Thanks
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Good morning
Just got a couple of things that may interest you.
1851 census Scotland Brydekrik Dumfries School St
James Jardine 43 hand loom cotton weaver St Mungo Dumfires
Jean 49 born Annan
Robert 17 hand loom cotton weaver Annan
Andrew J 15 same Annan
Agnes 12
They are at the same place in 1841.
Ciderdrinker
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Hi Ciderdrinker,
Thanks - I found all the census stuff after they were married but there is some confusion apparently there are two James Jardines who married Jean/Jane/Janet Jeffrey/Jeffray.
I figure if Elizabeth Harkness and Andrew Jardine were 2nd or third cousins, as Ihave led to believe, if I get back in one line far enough I should be able to link the two "Jardine" sides of the family.
As we coming later in the year I would like to have as much research done so we can verify when we are there if possible.
Thanks
Kerry
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I just wonder if there is a bit of confusion?
there are two Jardine/Jeffrey marriages in Dumfries but the women have different names.
1. James Jardine and HELEN Jeffrey. Banns in Torthorwald, Dumfries 29 Oct 1822
2. James Jardine and JANE Jeffrey . Banns in Annan, Dumfries on 29 Oct 1829
The 1851 census posted by Ciderdrinker is almost definitely James and Jean as daughter Agnes matches to child baptised in Brydekirk on 16 Sep 1838
All children on census were born after 1829 marriage
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Thanks Anne,
I also found Banns for I think James (funny writing JAS) Weaver at Brydekirk and Jane Jefray in the parish of Hoddam on 18 June 1829.
I have attached an image (I hope that is allowed) - I am not sure if this one is mine? I am think it was Jeffrey because that is Andrews middle name - isn't that one of the naming conventions?
Kerry
Moderator comment - image cropped.
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I have Joseph Jardine one of the Blackburn Poets.From Scotland to Blackburn short time in the United States and came back to Blackburn.Also on the Ferguson side Thomas Ferguson married a Mary Jardine both from Dumfries Scotland.They had to following children
Mary
Twins Tom, John Halliday my grandfather in Canada
Lizze
Tyre
Nelly
Frank
Joe
Molly
Robin and Jean living in Irving Place Blackburn
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Hi Lillyalice,
Joseph Jardine was my great grandfather, he was born in 1849 in Union Street, Blackburn as were Elizabeth and Mary, his sisters. The Scottish connection comes from his father William Jardine of Annandale. If you have any information about the family going back from here it would be much appreciated.
Joseph visited America twice; the first time he married Mary Jane Bound in New Jersey. He then went back to Blackburn, then visited America again before returning to Blackburn and then moving to Annan, where he lived at Croftheads Farm.
My grandfather was his eldest son William.
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Poets Girl
Hi Lilyalice
It so wonderful hear from family. In the book there is photo of Joseph Jardine.I have sent your message to my Aunt Jean who working on the family trees.Her e-mail is *
Thanks
Lilyalice
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Hi Lilyalice,
It is wonderful to hear from you too. I have been doing the family tree also and I am awash with birth, marriage and death certs ! Only started last year up until then had no idea what my Granddad,s name was, come a long way in short time. I think you must mean George Hull "Poets of Blackburn". Joseph was twice Provost of Annan too. His daughter Wilhemina Jardine married Ben Nicholson and lived in Gifford, Canada, go to the site The Reach . If you want to send a personal message use the Roots Chats P. M system, Great to hear from You ! !
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Hi Poets Girl and Lilyalice,
Both of you have only made 2 posts, but to use the PM system you need 3. So make another post each and you will be good to PM each other.
Tom
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hi Poets Girl
That is right book
Lilyalice
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Hi Lilyalice, Tom says we need three chats, so now that's three, so we can use the PM to send Emails, I would love your Auntie Jeans if poss. I am looking forward to comparing notes, hopefully Williams Jardine the Draper ( Joseph the poets dad ) Mum and Dad were Joseph Jardine and Mary Hill, who married in 1803, she will know better. Thanks for getting back in touch , I have loads of questions as to where every one went, its looking like Canada and the USA, Bye for now
Poets Girl
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Hi Poets Girl
I was most interested to see that your grandfather was William Jardine, eldest son of Joseph Jardine of Croftheads Farm and later of Ednam Street, Annan. William Jardine was my grandfather too. That, of course means that we are first cousins. His wife Julia had a number of children by him, the youngest of whom is my mother. I am keen to find out where you fit in, with a view to exchanging family information.
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Hello again, Poets Girl
A correction. My mother was the second youngest. Douglas (Dougie) was the youngest.
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Hi JJBJ
How fantastic ! Family at last ! I would love to know your Mum's name, I am struggling to find my dad's (now dead ) family .
My father was Albert , born 1914 he moved to the Midlands. Because we cannot access records after 1914, we are unsure of all his brothers and sisters.
We have Douglas as a younger brother to my dad on the family tree, any info you can give me of the family would be like gold dust and very much appreciated.
From your cousin Poets Girl
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Hi Poets Girl,
I know who you are now. In fact we met at your dad's funeral. I am the daughter of Josephine (Jossie). She was at the funeral too. I have a complete listing of all William's children and information on their descendents. What's the best way of communicating this to you in private?
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Hi JJBJ,
I will send you my email address by Private Message (PM) on this forum if that's OK. We can then compare notes directly.
My brother took your Mum's telephone number at Dad's funeral but lost it and he thought her name was Wendy! and spent ages ringing up people in Scotland who are now very confused. He did say your Mum knew a lot about the family. He beat himself up for losing the number and then I beat him up too - ha ha.
Will PM my email to you now.
Poets Girl.
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Hi Lilyalice1
I know it has be awhile since we had our first chat. Mary Jardine she married Thomas Ferguson her brother was Joseph Jardine to poet. How is your tree growing my is just a little one but growing well. The Jardine's also came from Scotland. Hope to here from you so.