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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Helena11a on Friday 26 April 13 19:02 BST (UK)
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I have a distant branch of My Bladons who emigrated to Canada. I would like to fill in some blanks relating to
Edna Grace Smithson died 26 Nov 1972 Pentic an (known as Grace)
Robert Douglas Smithson died 26 Oct 1979 Oslo's (known as Douglas) his death certificate states he shot himself.
Their son signed Roberts death certificate but I can't read the signature! His address is given on the certificate.
Their death notices would be appreciated.
Also
Minnetta Elsie Taylor b: 1887 married Frederick Tipper they had a daughter Freda Elsie Tipper b: 1907 in Wolverhampton Staffordshire but in 1911 appear on the census in Anvil Island, Frederick describing himself as an engineer/brick works manager. I can find no record of the family after this.
Any help appreciated with either families
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Edna Grace Smithson died in the town of Penticton, British Columbia and Robert Douglas died in Osoyoos, a small town not too far from Penticton.
You could contact the public library in Pentiction and ask if they can provide obits/death notices for Edna Grace and Robert Douglas.
http://www.library.penticton.bc.ca/Contact/Contact.html
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Death Certificate - Edna Grace Smithson - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0tph/
Death Certificate - Robert Douglas Smithson - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0tpi/
Sandra
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Hi Sandra and Linda
Thank you for those 2 links, I had seen the death certificates but didn't know about the library living in the UK my BC geography is not that good! - any idea who signed Roberts death certificate? I can't make the signature out?
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I found a Smithson at the same address as the informant on the voters list and sent you a PM since these people may be still alive.
John
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Hi John
Thank you for the information and yes they could be alive due to it being fairly recent.
Thank you once again
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Minnetta Elsie Taylor b: 1887 married Frederick Tipper they had a daughter Freda Elsie Tipper b: 1907 in Wolverhampton Staffordshire but in 1911 appear on the census in Anvil Island, Frederick describing himself as an engineer/brick works manager. I can find no record of the family after this.
Hi:
I've done a bit of looking for the Tippers. As you might know the brick manufacturing company on Anvil Island had ceased operations by around 1917/18. The island has been more or less deserted except for summer homes and summer camps since then.
A short search through some of the BC City Directories shows a Mrs. Elsie Tipper in Vancouver in 1916 and 1918, and one and sometimes two Fredk. Tipper's in Vancouver in 1913, 1914, and 1915. These might not be yours and they don't show up in Vancouver after that time. Certainly they didn't die in BC or their records would show up in the provincial death records which are searchable up until 1991.
The 1921 Canadian census will be available to search this year, hopefully you will be able to locate them on it.
Not much help I'm afraid.
sami
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Hi Sami
Thank you very much for the information. I think I have found Fred Tipper (b1881) on ancestry uK incoming passenger lists, departing NY May 1915, engineer residence Canada giving a UK address at Willenhall where he was from. I can't find any possible UK death
Do you know when the 1921 Canadian census is available?
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The 1921 Census was taken on June 1st, which means that it will be in the custody of Library and Archives Canada on June 1, 2013.
http://thediscoverblog.com/2012/03/27/1921-census-countdown/
http://genealogycanada.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/1921-canadian-census.html
Sandra
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Thanks, something not known to me here in the UK and I'd not seen it anywhere over here!
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I think I have found Fred Tipper (b1881) on ancestry uK incoming passenger lists, departing NY May 1915, engineer residence Canada giving a UK address at Willenhall where he was from. I can't find any possible UK death
Hi again:
I had wondered if one or more of them went back to the UK. Considering his occupation (Engineer), also wondered if he signed up during WW I.
When I look at the 1911 census again I see his birth date was shown as 1881. I had seen his age as 28 so thought his birth date was 1883.
There are 2 death records on FindMyPast that might be him:
Fred Tipper (age at death 71)
Cheadle, Staffs
1952, Jun quarter
9B, 126
Frederick Tipper (age at death 68)
Burton upon Trent, Staffs
1951, Mar quarter
9B, 87
A long shot, but thought I'd mention it.
sami
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I found Fredericks baptism in 1883 at Willenhall. The 1952 death is not him as it is at Uttoxeter and there is a birth in Uttoxeter which matches. The Burton one could be worth investigating, but considering Minettas 2 sisters, mother and step father all died in B. C I would have thought they all stayed in BC
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If you have any potential connection to the following then be welcome to confer.
James Tipper b1796 married Sarah Martin.
Their daughter Elizabeth Tipper born 1812/16, married in 1839 to William Archer.
all in the vicinity of Tutbury, Fauld, Hanbury, Staffordshire border with Derbyshire.
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No sorry I don't however I do have PR for Tutbury and Hanbury plus live very near those places if you require any help
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Please excuse me asking. What is PR?
I visited the vicinity in September. It helped a lot. St Werburghs is a mine of information. Took photo of an Archer gravestone that I later found to be my GGGGGG Grandparents. I hope to visit again.
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PR is parish registers
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please excuse my ignorance Helena11a.
I have tired several avenues but have not been able to verify who the parents of this James Tipper are?
Staffordshire 1841 Census Transcript
Address: Church Lane Parish: Tutbury Registration District: Tutbury, Staffordshire (First property listed on Church Lane after Castle Street so it could be Church Street)
Tipper James 55 1786 Shoe Maker Yes HO107/0976/~F19 my 4x great Grandfather.
Tipper Sarah 50 1791 No HO107/0976/~F19 nee Martin, marriage 01JAN1810 at Tutbury
Tipper Ann 12 1829 Yes HO107/0976/~F19
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I have found loads of male Tippers in the vicinity that are of suitable age to have been his father and one, a Samuel Tipper who married a Sarah, at least shows a son James christened at Tutbury - in December 1781 - a date that does not tally with the 1841 census but isn't too far off - but I know it is very dangerous for me to presume anything.
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If I can make the link above then there is some chance I can link through to a George Tipper who married Elizabeth Hanson 21APR1746 and had several children baptised locally - this George is a suitable age and, at that time, there seemed far fewer Tippers appearing locally.
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Back from that possibly a link to Ann Tipper buried 23FEB1746 at Tutbury, daughter of George????
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I have looked at my CD of Tutbury information - parish registers, census, MI's, lots of misc. information which can be purchased from Tutbury museum
I found
James Tipper buried 15th August 1851 of Tutbury age 68
Sarah Tipper buried 28th February 1853 of Tutbury age 65
This ties in with
James son of Samuel and Sarah baptised 25th December 1782 Tutbury
The 1851 census shows
Castle Street James Tipper Head Mar 69 Shoe Maker Staffs Tutbury
Castle Street Sarah Tipper Wife Mar 64 Warws Yeaton
Castle Street Ann Tipper Daur U 22 Dress Maker Staffs Tutbury
Castle Street Jane England Lodger U 27 Servant at the Cotton Mill Lancs Warrington
Hope this helps
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Wow, thanks Helena11a
that certainly unlocked the leads.
from what you provided initially
James Tipper buried 15th August 1851 of Tutbury age 68
Sarah Tipper buried 28th February 1853 of Tutbury age 65
This ties in with
James son of Samuel and Sarah baptised 25th December 1782 Tutbury
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I have then linked:-
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First name(s) SAMUEL Last name TIPPER Birth year 1751 Death year 1819 Age 68 Burial year 1819 Burial day 18 Burial month 1 Place TUTBURY
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Name: James Tipper Gender: Male Christening Date: 25 Dec 1782 Christening Place: TUTBURY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Samuel Tipper Mother's Name: Sarah Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04365-3 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 421606
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siblings of James 1782, children of Samuel (b1751 d1819) & Sarah
William Tipper Gender: Male Christening Date: 22 Apr 1791 Christening Place: TUTBURY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Samuel Tipper Mother's Name: Sarah
Elizabeth Tipper Gender: Female Christening Date: 20 Aug 1786 Christening Place: TUTBURY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Samuel Tipper Mother's Name: Sarah
James was 1782
Samuel Tipper Gender: Male Christening Date: 16 Apr 1780 Christening Place: TUTBURY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Samuel Tipper Mother's Name: Sarah
Joseph Tipper Gender: Male Christening Date: 09 Jun 1778 Christening Place: TUTBURY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Saml. Tipper Mother's Name: Sarah
John Tipper Gender: Male Christening Date: 19 Feb 1775 Christening Place: TUTBURY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Samuel Tipper Mother's Name: Sarah
Thomas Tipper Gender: Male Christening Date: 06 Jun 1773 Christening Place: TUTBURY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Samuel Tipper Mother's Name: Sarah
the first child of 7 listed could have been born when Samuel was ~22yrs and final child when he was ~40, which is credible.
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Samuel's birth good fortune it is Hanbury.
Name: Samuel Typper Gender: Male Christening Date: 28 Apr 1750 Christening Place: HANBURY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Thos. Typper Mother's Name: Mary residence: Hanbury, Stafford, England
First name(s) Samuel Last name Typper Baptism year 1750 Baptism date 28 Apr 1750 Baptism place Hanbury, St Werburgh Denomination Anglican
*Father's first name(s) Thomas
*Mother's first name(s) Mary
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First name(s) Thomas Last name Tiper Baptism year 1723 Baptism date 12 Oct 1723 Baptism place Hanbury, St Werburgh Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) John
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marriage
First name(s) John Last name Tipper Marriage year 1715 Marriage date 23 Sep 1715 Marriage place Hanbury, St Werburgh Denomination Anglican
Residence Tutbury (of Tutbury parish)
Spouse's first name(s) Eliz Spouse's last name Wall Spouse's Residence Hanbury parish
Thanks again.
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no problem, I've received a lot of help on these forums so its nice to return the favour.
Most of the parish registers for Tutbury and Hanbury are now online - Staffordshire archives are gradually doing this along with wills and marriage bonds. They are on Find my past so you will see the actual image