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I am having another go at trying to trace my ancestor David Walter Morgan b.1732-3 died 1795 who was priest in ordinary at the Chapel Royal,Westminster.He lived at St.James Palace and has a plaque in Westminster Abbey.His cambridge and Oxford University records give his father as William of St.Georges,Southwark.I thought I had found a record for David Walter Morgan bapt.1733 St.George the Martyr but have been unable to re find it.I have found a record for David Morgan b.16th Jan 1732 St.James,Westminster son of William and Martha.There is also a marriage of William Morgan and Martha Wood 15th May 1731 St.James,Westminster.William Morgan had a brother John Morgan who died 1778.He was rector of Little Leighs in Essex until his death and was succeded in this post by his nephew David.I am trying to establish a link possibly by marriage with the wealthy Olmius family who were patrons of the Morgans.
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=578428.0
This is the topic where Valda had provided Bap details for 1733(34).
Cheers
AMBLY
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Looks like that same child's baptism was recorded in 2 registers:
David Walter MORGAN - bap 22 Feb 1733-1734, St George the Martyr Surrey
Son of William MORGAN, Eliz'th MORGAN
David Walter MORGAN - bap 21 Feb 1733, St Mary Magdalen, Southwark
Son of Wm & Eliz.MORGAN
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hello Ambly
Thanks for reminding me of that previous posting.There is a marriage of William Morgan to Elizabeth Bullock in 1717 at St.James Palace Chapel.She could have been a descendant of Edward Bullock (1663--1705) High Sheriff of Essex.There is also a marriage of William Morgan to Elizabeth Whitlock in 1722 at St.Martin in the Fields,Westminster.William Morgan is proving extremely elusive.It is a shame he did not have a more distinctive name.
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Have been looking at Sir Edward Bullock (1663--1705) He married Elizabeth Guyon in 1690 at Coggeshall and Mary Child in 1692.at St.Botolph,Aldgate.Hoping to find a daughter Elizabeth.The Elizabeth Bullock who may have married William Morgan could have been born between 1690 and 1701 as the marriage was in 1717
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I seem to be stuck again with the Morgans! I believe that William Morgan had a clergyman brother John who was rector of Little Leighs,Essex.He died in 1778.I have found details of a will for a John Morgan who died 1778 so suppose I could take a chance and send off for it.As I do not know when William Morgan died so cannot look for his will as his name is too common.I have been unable to find any records of clergymen which are any help.Myself and others have found the Oxford and Cambridge University records for David Walter Morgan.I thought of looking for university records for John Morgan but cannot find anything on FindMyPast.Perhaps it is Ancestry who have the university records?
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Have just received a copy of the will of John Morgan of Marylebone,Middlesex died 1778.I don`t think he is "my" John Morgan! He is not referred to as the "Reverend John Morgan",Would a clergyman always be given the title reverend in legal documents such as wills and in death records?He mentions his wife Elizabeth and a friend whose name appears as a witness.I was led to believe that he was David Morgan`s uncle by BananaDoctor.PLEASE tell me how you know that!Also that he was the same John Morgan who was a Barrister at Law and who I have found giving legal advice to Robert Walpole and also some dealings which sound possibly corrupt involving an MP Lord Waltham who I am keen to link with the Morgans.Is it possible for a clergyman to also be a Barrister at Law?It does not sound very likely to me.
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He is not referred to as the "Reverend John Morgan",Would a clergyman always be given the title reverend in legal documents such as wills and in death records?
At that date, a clergyman's will is likely to describe the testator as John Morgan, clerk.
(I'm afraid I can't comment on your other points, as I haven't been following the thread.)
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Thanks for that info.I had noticed that David Walter Morgans`s marriage entry descibed him as David Morgan,clerk, and wonder why he was described in that way.
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Having another go at tracing William Morgan father of David Walter Morgan.He may have married Elizabeth Bullock at St.James Palace chapel in 1717.Have so far failed to find if this Elizabeth was related to the Bullocks of Faulkborne Hall in Essex.Faulkbourne is very close to Little and Great Leighs where the Olmius family owned property and where the Olmius family installed David Walter Morgan as rector.They would have been mixing in the same strata of society so there could be a link.
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Having another look for William Morgan father of David Walter Morgan.Trying to get at him through his brother John Morgan.One thing that bothers me is whether John Morgan, barrister at law could have been the same person as the rev. John Morgan rector of Little Leighs,Essex. What is the likelihood of someone at that time having two careers in the Church and the law?I have found out some more about children of John Morgan.Daughter Amelia was the second wife of John Foster( b.1765) of Brickhill,Bedfordshire.Married 1803.Daughter of John Morgan esq. barrister at law,Recorder of Maidstone.Another daughter was Maria (1777--1857) who married John Luttrell Olmius.She became Countess of Carhampton. A son of John Morgan was R.Morgan esq. of Norwich.Another son was Captain Edward Morgan who married Harriot.Their son Edward Olmius Morgan was b.1817 at Walton,Suffolk. He studied at Trinity College,Cambridge.In 1855 he married Eliza Harper Court in 1855 at Cardiff.He died in 1887 at Honiton,Devon.They had lived at Sidmouth.If anyone has anything to add it would be much appreciated especially if there are any links to William Morgan
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Have decided that the Rev. John Morgan,vicar of Little Leighs.Essex was a different person to the John Morgan .Recorder of Maidstone although I am sure they must have been related.The Rev Morgan was vicar at Little Leighs from 1750 to his death in 1778 when he was succeeded by my ancestor David Walter Morgan until his death in 1795. The lawman John Morgan was definitely alive after 1778 and may have died in 1803.Apart from his two daughters Amelia and Maria he had two sons Richard Morgan of Norwich and Edward Morgan who may have been Captain Edward Morgan,customs officer of Felixstowe (his son Edward Olmius Morgan was born 1817 at Walton,Felixstowe). Richard Morgan(b.1786) married a Phillida. The 1841 census gives Richard,b.1875,occ."actuary" (I think) wife Phillida,son Richard age 25,accountant and daughter Margaret age 5.They were living at Chapelfield Grove,Norwich.The 1851 census gives London as the place of birth of Richard and Phillida.They are living at Chapelfield Place,Norwich.His occ. looks like "Actuary customs office" but I am not sure of that.With them are son Richard E. born 1810 Norwich,accountant and grand daughter Margaret O. born 1836 at Hellesdon(near Norwich).
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Having another look at Ann Morgan daughter of David Walter Morgan and sister of my ancestor John Drigue Morgan. I am not sure of her DOB but think it was probably a few years after her brother in the 1760s.I believe she married Thomas Morgan in 1803 at St.Mary,Marylebone Road.She died in 1835 at Greenwich, possibly at the home of her sister Elizabeth (by that time she was widowed). Sister Elizabeth was born in 1765 and married Peter Osborn in 1801. He had a Civil Service post and they lived at Shooters Hill.Could she have married a distant relative? I don`t think at that time first cousins were allowed to marry. In the will of brother John of around 1830 he mentions that sister Ann may benefit from the sale of farms near Carmarthen. Perhaps they belonged to her husband`s family or maybe the Morgans were all related. I have a copy of the will of David Walter Morgan. It is very hard to follow and seems only to mention his wife.
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At last I have made a bit of progress. I have found a reference to John Morgan,attorney,Recorder of Maidstone concerning a law case heard by the Law Lords brought by Sir Watkin Lewes in 1807, who was an emminent attorney and had served as Lord Mayor of London. Incidently the unfortunate man died as a debtor,not actually in prison but under a sort of house arrest, despite winning the case against Morgan. Morgan had obtained loans for Watkin Lewes which had caused or contributed to his debt. As a result Morgan came into possession of land and estates in Carmarthenshire, Pembrokeshire and Glamorgan. In the will of my ancestor John Drigue Morgan in 1830 he mentions the sale of farms in Carmarthenshire which his sister Ann might inherit.In the legal case John Morgan`s brothers Chadrin and James are mentioned. This has enabled me to pin them down:-James Morgan b.St.Andrews, Holborn. Parents James & Catherine
John Morgan b.1744 St.Andrews,Holborn, parents James & Catherine
Chadrin Morgan b.1751. St.Andews,Holborn. Parents James & Catherine.
Also James Morgan m.1741,Westminster, Catherine Jones
John Morgan m. Amelia Farrer 1775
Chadrin Morgan died 1778.
I still need to establish a connection with my ancestor William Morgan of Southwark.Interestingly sitting with the Law Lords at this time was Baron Garrow (William Garrow of "Garrows Law" fame who had become a Law Lord after his distiguished career). Also interesting was some reference to John Morgan and his wife while they lived at the Inner Temple. Neighbours of theirs for a time were Charles Lamb (the poet and writer) and his sister Mary. Mary had killed her mother with a carving knife during an attack of insanity,and had several further bouts of insanity which required her being taking into care.One of these occured prior to a supper date with the Morgans, the news being passed on by Samuel Taylor Coleridge, the poet who was another neighbour as was the essayist William Hazlitt.
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Still not given up on John Morgan,attorney, Recorder of Maidstone. His parents may have been James and Catherine. If I could trace them maybe I could establish a link with my ancestor William Morgan. If this is the right John Morgan he was b. 1751 St.Andrews, Holborn.
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I think his birth may have been 1744. Have found a possible link with David Walter Morgan. They could have been cousins! John Morgan`s father James may have married Catherine Jones 1741, Westminster. There is a James Morgan b. 8th May, 1694 at St.Andrews, Holborn, parents William and Dorothy. Also with parents William and Dorothy is William Morgan b. 1st May 1698 at St. Andrews,Holborn. John Morgan married Amelia Farrer 6th May St.Andrews, Holborn. William Morgan married Elizabeth Jones of St. Georges Southwark in 1730. Perhaps she was the sister of Catherine. There is an Elizabeth Jones b. 21st Oct 1705 St. Andrews, Holborn parents Richard and Sandra.The father of Amelia Farrer was William Farrer (1656--1737) of the Inner Temple (where John Morgan resided) His will of 1727 gives his address as St. George the Martyr (Southwark?) John Morgan was involved in a protracted law suit involving Sir Watkin Lewis (1740--1821). He had been Lord Mayor of London but ended his days living under the jurisdiction of the Fleet Prison having got into financial difficulties. Part of these involved money borrowed on the advice of John Morgan,his brother Chadrin ,and other family members. Their part in his downfall seems rather dubious to say the least. The will of John Drigue Morgan of around 1830 mentions "two farms near Carmarthen" which may have been extorted from the unfortunate Sir Watkin! Any comments on my findings would be welcome.
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Have done some more research on Watkin Lewes, MP,and Lord Mayor of London. Apparently the legal case between him and John Morgan lasted for 40 years-- worthy of a storyline from Dickens!
I think it most likely that the Thomas Morgan who married Ann Morgan the sister of my ancestor John Drigue Morgan, was a nephew of John Morgan. He would have been a second cousin to Ann Morgan in that case.He would have been quite likely to have inherited as several of John Morgan`s brothers were involved with him in the court case.It would explain the "farms near Carmarthen" mentioned in the will of John Drigue Morgan.
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Do you have any link to the Samuel Morgan Carpenter (builder) of Maid Lane Southwark? His son William bn circa 1734? m possibly Jane Duvall then Frances ? Loads of children St Andrews Holborns, St Dunstan in the West, Fleet St and Whitefriars. He was a printer
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I cannot find any link but will have another look just in case
John
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Hello John, I wonder how you have progressed with this family. I have recently started looking at it on behalf of a friend.
John Morgan the recorder of Maidstone, member of the Inner Temple, Barrister at Law
I agree his children (not worrying about their descendants in this post) are
1. Maria who married John Luttrell-Olmius, Lord Carhampton
When she died both her brothers posted death notices identifying themselves so that confirms.
Also her marriage reported
“At Grove House, Middlesex, the Hon J. Olmius, of New Hall, in Essex, to Miss Maria Morgan, daughter of John Morgan Esq. of the Inner Temple”
Richard Morgan her brother was one of the witnesses as well as John Morgan
She was born about 1776 (census and age at death). But I have not found a baptism for her
2. Richard
His baptism was at St Andrew Holborn 28 Feb 1780 (born 26th January 1780) parents John and Sarah Morgan of Chapel Street.
He married Phillida/Philida du Croz and is the ancestor of my friend for whom I am researching. Separate post about her to follow eventually.
3. Amelia
Baptism 22 October 1782, St Andrews Holborn. Parents John and Sarah Morgan of Chapel Street
At her marriage on 23 June 1803 to John Foster (widower from Bedford, Plantation owner etc etc) John Morgan consents to the marriage and John Olmius is a witness.
Newspaper report describes John as Esq of the Inner Temple.
4. Edward.
Baptised 4 Dec 1785 at St Giles in the Fields. Married Harriet Cole Safford.
Edwards notice for death of Maria Countess Carhampton, includes his address, Peel Terrace, Jersey, following census, deaths etc, confirms.
Back to John the recorder of Maidstone.
1. There are a couple of documents at National Archives written (or at least signed) by him.
2. In Vol 5 of the Calendar of the Inner Temple records. Page 190
https://www.innertemple.org.uk/who-we-are/history/calendars-of-inner-temple-records-1505-1845/
April 24th (1766). The sum of £150 to be accepted of Mr John Morgan for the purchase of the chambers two pair of stairs on the right hand in the second staircase in the Inner Temple Lane, fallen to the House by the death of Edward Williams Esq., for his own life with the benefit of an assignment, and on payment of the said sum John Morgan to be admitted accordingly at the next or any other parliament to be held this term.
Parliament: May 9. Confirmed, Mr Morgan aged about 32 years, having paid the sum of £150.
So - 32 in 1766 = born about 1734
They had to do a 5 year thing and then in February 1771 he, was “called up to the degree of Barrister at Law”. Of the Honourable society of the Inner Temple.
Also called up were Matthew Hales Graves and Richard Clayton - I only mention that because the Clayton name appears in the du Croz line I have been following. The Du Croz and the Morgan families seem heavily intertwined.
3. I do think this John Morgan died “On Tuesday last, after a severe illness, John Morgan Esq, late of the Inner Temple Barrister at Law”. This works out at 30 August 1803 and so he must be the burial 3 September 1803 at St George the Martyr, Southwark. Of Hatton Place.
Then in the Inner Temple calendar (vol 6) the Rooms occupied by him are passed on at the recommendation of Richard Morgan the son and administrator on the 3 Feb 1804. (Typical lawyer No Will! or not found by me yet anyway.)
That being the case, the John Morgan in the case against Sir Watkin Lewes must be a different man.
As well In the report of the appeal of that case in the Morning Chronicle of 6 July 1825 it says John Morgan was a solicitor and Sir Watkin Lewes a barrister. And I know that is a critical distinction in England.
Where is his marriage to Sarah? Ancestry would like me to think it was to Sarah Chittenden July 1765, Southwark, but there is a marriage allegation and I am quite sure it describes him as a Mariner.
Unless - he came on shore, and went to the Inner Temple in 1766. Is that likely? Where did he get the £150 from to purchase his entrance? It seems a lot of money.
Where are the children that would have been born between 1765 and 1776?
Where is the death of the Sarah we know was his wife. It must be after the birth of Edward and perhaps before the death of John. ie. after 1785 and before August 1803.
Modified to add Link to the Inner Temple records.
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Thanks for the information. I have not done any ancestry research for some time now.I do not quite follow how you rule out John Morgan (Recorder of Maidstone) being the same John Morgan as the lawman involved with Watkin Lewes but will look through what you have written again. Do you think John Morgan(Recorder of Maidstone) was related to David Walter Morgan? I cannot remember how I reached that conclusion in the first place. I need to do some revision!
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The long summary of the case in the Morning Chronicle 17 August 1829 Finishes by referring to an affidavit made by John Morgan on the 12th February 1819. It doesn’t say representatives of John Morgan, or other words indicating it is to do with his estate.
I know that that was after the death of Sir Watkin in 1821 but
The report in 19 November 1817 - Star (London) Clearly implies both men are still alive
So as I think John Morgan of the Inner Temple died in 1803 it cannot be the same man.
Also, as both his daughters had married well, I would have though there would be a mention of his sons in law in one of those articles, and I have found none. And there is no mention of him being a member of the Inner Temple either.
And he is clearly alive here, or he wouldn’t be able to be committed to the Fleet.
24 January 1818 - Star (London
I would Like to agree with you because there is quite a list of relatives in the 1825 report
What we need is the death post 1818 of another John Morgan, solicitor , old enough to be working in 1775. (John of the inner Temple would have been 84 by 1818).
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Regarding David Walter. I was hoping you had found something new in the intervening years. It does seem a great coincidence that the Olmius name should be associated with both men. On the other hand, Richard Morgan did not name any of his children either David or Walter and at least two of the sons have three forenames, so he wasn’t averse to handing them out.
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Also, the 1778 will of Chardin Morgan names the same brothers as in the 1825 article (James, George and John) and a beneficiary is also William the 2 year old son of John.
I have not found a son William to John Morgan of the Inner Temple (but as I have also not found Maria that probably doesn’t mean much).
I think Chadrin was baptised 1751 which makes him much younger than John of the Inner Temple. Although within the realms of possibility if he was the youngest and John the eldest.
The 1825 article says that John married someone FARRER. There is a 1775 marriage of Amelia Farrer to John Morgan.
If she died, then he could have remarried to Sarah, she is the mother of the children in the baptisms I have found.
Added... have found baptism of William to John & Amelia in 1776.
Cannot find a death for an Amelia Morgan that fits. (Think she was b c 1751) Although there is a burial 3 May 1784 of an Emily/Emely Morgan of St Andrews Holborn......
If that IS her, it definitely rules out John as being John of the Inner Temple, as Richard son of John & Sarah was b c 1780
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What we need is the death post 1818 of another John Morgan, solicitor , old enough to be working in 1775. (John of the inner Temple would have been 84 by 1818).
And there is, in 1821 the death of John, solicitor of Bedford Square. He has a will. Only nephews mentioned.
Executor is Francis Morgan.
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It does look pretty certain that John Morgan of the Inner Temple was a different person to the John Morgan involved with Watkin Lewes. But was David Walter Morgan related to John Morgan of the Inner Temple. I was led to believe he was but cannot re find the evidence.
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Just adding this for future reference and thoughts.
After John of the Inner Temple died, his son Richard seems to have administered his estate and on Feb 3rd 1804 the Inner Temple records have
"Mr Edward Hobson Vitruvius Lawes, a member aged 22 last 29 Dec, to be admitted on the assignment to the chamber two pair up south in the second staircase in Inner Temple Lane for his own life, on the nomination of Mr Richard Morgan , son and administrator of the late John Morgan, Esquire, a barrister of this Society, paying the usual £5 for the same."
The baptism of Edward Hobson... gives parents as Edward and Frances..
But LAWES is the surname of John Luttrell-Olmius's mother (Judith Maria LAWES daughter of Sir Nicholas LAWES, Gov of Jamaica) so I am wondering if there is a connection there. Although so far I have not found it.
Added - and it is looking less likely >:(
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/person/view/2146652865
There are LAWES in Norwich too.
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Thanks for the extra information
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update.
As a result of a post on a completely unrelated thread I found the existence of PERSI on FindMyPast. I had no idea it was there.
In a 1901 issue of 'The Genealogical Magazine Vol 5 issue 56". I found this query.
John Morgan of the Inner Temple
I am seeking, for genealogical purposes, the birth and parentage of one John Morgan, of the Inner Temple, admitted a member of that society January 30 1765; called to the Bar February 8, 1771. He was a friend and contemporary of William Murray, afterwards Earl of Mansfield. It was said of these two lawyers that "The English Bar must ever command respect whilst it had Murray's eloquence and Morgan's integrity".
This John Morgan, who was cousin to Sir Chaloner Ogle, died August 30, 1803, in St. George's, Southwark, London, and in the burial register of that parish is the following entry: "3rd Sept., 1803 -John Morgan, late of Wotton Place, St George's Fields". He married Sarah ______ , and by her had issue five children, the eldest daughter, Maria, marrying in 1798 John, third Earl Carhampton (extinct). The arms of this branch of the Morgan family are, "Per pale az. and gu., three lions rampant arg." and I find the same coat of arms is borne by the Earls of Pembroke, and note that William ap David ap Morgan, Esq, married Joan, daughter and heir of William Herbert, Esq., son of Philip, a younger son of William Herbert, Earl of Pembroke.
Arthur Edward JACKSON, 79, St Giles Street, Norwich
So OrganicJohn, I don't know if this will get us anywhere, but I hope so.
I frustratingly have to go out, so won't get to this for another 24 hours. But had a quick look at Sir Chaloner OGLE. I assume the one mentioned here is the younger of the two in Wikipedia who would be a contemporary, rather than the other one who was Admiral of the Fleet but died 1750
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Chaloner_Ogle,_1st_Baronet
Re the address of the enquirer, 79 St Giles Street Norwich. The descendants of Richard MORGAN (son of John) lived in St Giles Street. Will have to look up exact details.
Also - I only have 4 children, not 5.
Maria c 1776-1857
Richard 1780-1852
Amelia 1782-1849
Edward 1785-1869
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Having another look at the Morgans. Have come to the conclusion that John Morgan of the Inner Temple was probably not related to the John Morgan,solicitor, and his brothers who were involved in the law suit involving Sir Watkin Lewes. However I do think that John Morgan of the Inner Temple was the brother of my GtX4 grandfather David Walter Morgan and uncle of his son John Drigue Morgan (my gtX3 grandfather) .I am now looking at Ann Morgan (1764-1835) sister of John Drigue Morgan .She may have married a Thomas Morgan (1763-1830) in 1803. I would like to trace a connection between him and the Morgan family involved with Watkin Lewes. If he was that could explain the inheritance by Ann Morgan of "farms near Carmarthen" mentioned in the will of Ann`s brother John Drigue Morgan written in 1832. Her husband would just have died and thus she would inherit his estate. I would like to think the court case mentioned in the will was that involving Watkin Lewes and the Morgan brothers which was at that time unresolved.
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I don’t believe Ann Morgan (sister of John Drigue, and daughter of David Walter) married
Hopefully notice will attach. (Courtesy title of Mrs)
As I think it would also say “relict” or widow of Thomas Morgan. However am willing to be convinced otherwise.
But I don’t know how to account for that note in the Will about the small farms in Carmarthen. I haven’t done a full transcript of it. I should, but it is night here and I find those are best tackled while somewhat awake!
Can you read the name of the person in the notes to Mrs Osborn who was given another letter (unfortunately not included in the probate docs)?
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If you mean the 29 Apr 1803 marriage between Ann Morgan and Thomas Morgan….both of them make their mark. I am quite sure “our” Ann would have been fully literate.
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I don`t quite follow which notes to Mrs Osborne you are refering. Ann died at the the home of her sister Elizabeth (Mrs Osborne) in Greenwich. I agree that the signing of the wedding document with a cross suggests this is the wrong person. Perhaps she did not marry. Was the use of a "courtesy"Mrs in a death notice a normal practice?
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John Drigue’s will. Has two letters/notes to his sister, Mrs Osborne after the main will.
It is one of them that mentions the two small farms in Carmarthen
I do agree BTW, that the hypothesis that John Morgan of the Inner Temple must be connected to this family in some way is the best one we have so far. But there are facets I do not like,
I have just typed up and deleted a small discussion, but I should properly reference it, so I’ll have another go later.
Yes. A woman of standing could be referred to as Mrs (short for Mistress) especially if older.
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Can you read the name of the person in the notes to Mrs Osborn who was given another letter (unfortunately not included in the probate docs)?
he was Arthur Cuthbert Marsh Esq. Not seeing how that helps if at all.
Link to a few queries I had about transcript of John Drigue’s will
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=865263.msg7354052
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The will of Mary Nicholas otherwise Nichols of Bath written 8th August 1835, proved 3 March 1837.
talks about the death and intestacy of my late cousin (I think that is what it says) John Nicholas of _______ in the county of Carmarthen Esq 'I succeed as tenant in tail and as his sole heiress at Law etc.
'messuages farms and lands called ......... and ........siutate in the parish of
New Church? in the county of Carmarthen aforesaid. And whereas by my will
bearing date the twelfth day of May one thousand eight hundred and twenty eight
I gave and devised to my friend Colonel John Drigue Morgan (who is since dead)
all my houses and tenements al all my landed property in the county of
Carmarthen aforesaid
and she wants to be buried at Walcot, by
"my late father and sister Morgan Nicholas otherwise Morgan Nichols and Martha Nichols"
So John Nicholas died intestate. It must have been his estate that was tied up and mentioned in John Drigue's will. -- Did John Drigue know Mary had bequeathed him the farms, and so he expected that bequest to carry over to Ann? Perhaps the will of 1828 did say that. But by the time Mary rewrote her will both John and Ann had died.
Morgan Nichols/Nicholas was born c 1832, 1732, died 1817. He may be the 1759 marriage to Mary Gifford
and Mary Nichols, wife of Morgan was buried Bristol 1774.
Martha born 1760, died 1822
added - Morgan Nicholas was apprenticed in 1754 to Fras. Labee surgeon of Bristol. the premium was £50!
Edited for date.
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It seems quite clear that the "farms near Carmarthen" were part of the estate of Mary Nicholas and my theory involving the nefarious Morgan brothers (John,Chardin etc) was a flight of fancy on my part. They were probably unrelated to "my" Morgans. Thanks for putting me right on that .
There is still the lack of information on William Morgan, father of David Walter Morgan and John Morgan of the Inner Temple and their involvement with the Olmius family
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Regarding #27.
He was a friend and contemporary of William Murray, afterwards Earl of Mansfield. It was said of these two lawyers that "The English Bar must ever command respect whilst it had Murray's eloquence and Morgan's integrity".
I have been unable to find any source for this statement.
Nor this one
This John Morgan, who was cousin to Sir Chaloner Ogle,
And have not found a fifth child.
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I’ve been through all the wills of the Morgans who were ironmongers in Southwark.
Eg https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10011300.
I could not find any connection there. (The mentions in Lambeth Palace archives relate to that family).
I still feel this will could be key. https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1918773
If only because it is the one they could not find when I ordered it over a year ago, and Murphy’s law must surely prevail. I have ordered it again, will see if they have more luck.
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National Archives have found the Will of William Morgan of St Thomas, Southwark. 1749
In the Name of God Amen, I William Morgan of the
Parish of St Thomas Southwark in the county of Surry Gentleman
being weak in Body but of sound mind memory and understanding
do make this my last will and Testament in manner and form
following that is to say Whereas my Brother the Rev John Morgan
of Sion College London stands indebted unto me in the summe of
twenty one pounds besides interest being the remaining part of the
summe of forty five pounds I lent him sometime since on his
Note of Hand for the same as may appear by the said Note
now in my Wifes Custody who refuses to deliver the same to
me Now I do hereby in Consideration of my said Brothers having
maintained and educated my son David Morgan from his
Infancy (he being upwards of fifteen years of age) forgive and
discharge my said Brother John Morgan of and from the said
summe of twenty one pounds and all Interest due thereon to me
at the time of my decease and all thereof residue and remainder
of my Estate of what nature or kind soever I give and bequeath
the same and every part thereof unto my said Brother John
Morgan in trust for my said son David Morgan when he shall
attain the age of one and twenty years At which time I direct
my Executor hereafter named to deliver and pay all such residue
of my said Estate unto him my said son David Morgan for his
own sole use and benefit but incase my said son shall depart this
life before he attains such age then and in such case I give and
bequeath all such residue of my said Estate unto Leonora Morgan
wife of the said John Morgan as a recompense for her extraordinary
love and indulgence of my said son from his Infancy as aforesaid
and i do hereby nominate constitute and appoint my said Brother
John Morgan sole executor of this my last Will and Testament
hereby revoking all others by me at any time heretofore made In
witness whereof I have here unto set my hand and seal this
fourth day of December in the year of our Lord 1749
Signed sealed published and declared by the
Testator William Morgan as and for his last
Will and Testament in the presence of us who
in his presence and at his request have sett
our names as witnesses hereto
Tho. Raffles Pet. Edwards
So - there is no mention of another son John, so John Morgan of the Inner Temple cannot be the brother of David. In fact David must be an only child! Bang goes that theory.
Also - it seems to be from the tenor of this will that the mother of David must have died and the wife refusing to give up the promissory note is a subsequent one? Shame he doesn't name her.
Not the break through I hoped for. But interesting for you OrganicJohn.
On the reverse it says
14th November 1750
The Revd. John Morgan the
Brother of the Testator and sole
Executor within named
was duly sworn
and
Testator died in the parish of St Mary Newington in the county of Surrey in July last. Which I interpret as July 1750
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That is really interesting. He is definitely the right William Morgan as the son David is exactly the right age to be my David Walter Morgan. So he was brought up by his uncle Rev John Morgan and his wife. I wonder where David was educated; could it have been Sion College? Was Rev John Morgan the headmaster? He went on to study at Cambridge which would have been very expensive. Perhaps the wealthy Herman Olmius provided the money for whatever reason. David was obviously indebted to him, naming his son John Drigue Morgan after Olmius`s wife. I don`t quite follow what the "promissory note" is all about. Perhaps some research on Rev John Morgan might be rewarding.
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Sion College in the City of London was founded in 1630 for the education and fellowship of Church of England clergy. It was badly damaged in the Fire of London in 1666. If it operated as a charitable instituition then perhaps William Morgan did not need to be very well off to send his son there. Sending him to Cambridge might have been a different matter. Perhaps he could have got a scholarship or maybe this is where the Olmius family helped.
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I can’t see that Sion college was actually an educational establishment as such.
More of a support place for clergy with a library and Alms House.
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Page 13 of this document has a reference for something at London Metropolitan Archives
https://search.lma.gov.uk/LMA_DOC/CLC_198.PDF
Miscellaneous letters and papers chiefly relating to court business, estate management, and library matters.
Doesn’t look too hopeful but you never know.
BTW it is interesting he is said to be of Sion College at this time when he was appointed at Braintree in 1738.
There are references to be followed in Wales too re the Chancellorship of St David’s
https://archives.library.wales/index.php/return-of-chanter-and-chapter-of-st-davids-certifying-that-john-morgan-chancellor-and-james-tunstall
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It is referred to as a "college" rather than a "library" although there was a library there. There is also mention of it originally having apartments for students. The students could of course have been studying independantly in the library rather than attending formal courses.
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Have you seen this Organic John?
https://www.lotsearch.net/lot/a-mid-18th-century-mahogany-cased-long-case-clock-with-fine-later-carving-41177220?page=2
No idea if it is your man or not. But an interesting possibility.
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Looking up clockmakers in Southwark there was a William Morgan who completed his apprenticeship in 1629 to his brother Richard Morgan (1598 --1650) from Penley,Co Flint,Wales. My William Morgan could have been a descendant. The clock for sale in the auction was 18th century so perhaps my William Morgan was a clockmaker.