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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: ezzabegezza on Saturday 20 April 13 13:44 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for any information on a Charles and Catherine Wichellow/Wichelow who at some point were living in Burra Burra South Australia.
Their daughter, Alice Wichellow/Wichelow/Wichlow married a Charles Frederick Hale.
Charles & Alice Hale eventually moved to Sale in Victoria. He died in 1889 aged 45. Alice died in 1929 at the age of 75. I cannot find a birth certificate for her but her death certificate says her parents were Charles Wichelow and Catherine and that she was born at Burra Burra.
Despite the fact that the records available on the SA Births Register span from 1842-1928 I cannot find any listing of a Alice Wichelow being born in 1854.
Even more confusing is that the marriage certificate for Charles Frederick Hale has him marrying a Eliza Wichlow whose father is Nathaniel.
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Firstly information on death certificates is unreliable. Records may be noted as from 1842-1928 however not all parents registered their children for all sorts of reasons - distance from local registrars, fines for late registrations. Certain sections of the community including Roman Catholics and the Scottish were reluctant to comply with civil registration. Many local registrations were lost in transit to the Registry in Adelaide.
Only WICHELLOW births in South Australia
WICHELLOW Nathaniel
13 Feb 1851
Father Nathaniel WICHELLOW Mother Mary BRADY
At Wakefield River Ade 3/172
WICHELOW Sarah
22 Apr 1853
Father Nathaniel WICHELOW Mother Mary BRADY
At Mintaro TMu 6/182
WICHELOW Catharine
1 Nov 1854
Father Nathaniel WICHELOW Mother Mary BRADY
Birth Place not recorded TMu 6/204
WICHLOW Elizabeth
11 Dec 1858
Father Nathaniel WICHELOW Mother Mary BRADY
At Mintaro Cla 15/542
WICHELOW William
10 Mar 1861
Father Nathaniel WICHELOW Mother Mary BRADY
At Mintaro Cla 22/528
WICHELOW James
8 Aug 1862
Father Nathaniel WICHELOW Mother Mary BRADY
At Mintaro Cla 25/663
WICHELLOW Charles
22 Apr 1868
Father Nathaniel WICHELLOW Mother Mary BRADY
At Barunga Hummocks Run Cla S 62/566
Marriage
HALE Charles Frederick 28 years Status Single Father Charles HALE
WICHLOW Eliza 18 years Status Single Father Nathaniel WICHLOW
11 Aug 1874
At St Aloysius, Sevenhill Cla 100/475
Perhaps the minister made an error with her name. Not all birth registrations included second given names. Eliza's age at marriage is for an 1856 birth. I note all the HALE birth registrations have her as Alice W.
Cando :)
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Elizabeth born 1858 married in 1878. Eliza is Alice and her birth c1856 was not registered.
AGETT Charles 23 years Status Single Father Charles AGETT
WICHELLOW Elizabeth 19 years Status Single Father Nathaniel WICHELLOW
5 Nov 1878
At St John Church Laura Cla 117/580
Perhaps you may like to search for WICHELLOW family info on http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper
Cando
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How about this one? ;D
Alice WICKLOW
Father: Nathaniel WICKLOW
Spouse: Thomas MOORE
Spouse's Father's Name: George MOORE
Married: 11 Dec 1878
at Kooringa
Registered at Burra, South Australia
Page Number: 980
Volume Number: 117
According to trees on Ancestry, this couple moved to NSW and had their children there, where 'Alice' was named 'Eliza' on the children's birth registrations. This is her death:
12755/1921
MOORE, ELIZA
Parents: (-WICHELLOW) & MARY
Registered at WENTWORTH
Debra :)
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All the HALE birth registrations have the mother noted as Alice WICHELLOW.
Bride born c1857. So perhaps the births were Alice [married as Eliza] 1856, Eliza [married as Alice]1857 and Elizabeth 1858.
MOORE Thomas 24 years Status Single Father George MOORE
WICKLOW Alice 21 years Status Single Father Nathaniel WICKLOW
11 Dec 1878
At St Josephs, Kooringa Bur Book 117 Page 980
It would be interesting to see the entries in the local register.
Cando :)
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Hi Cando
Thanks so much for replying to my post. This is definetly a mystery.....this is what I can make of it.
Elizabeth WICHLOW (name as on birth certificate) was born in 1858 (15/542). Father is listed as Nathaniel Wichlow and Mother is Mary Brady. She then marries Charles AGETT in 1878 (117/580). It cannot be the Eliza/Alice WICHLOW that married Charles Frederick HALE as they married in 1874 (4 years before Elizabeth and Hale) and she died at the age of 75 in 1929 with Charles Hale listed as her husband on her death certificate.
As you say all the offspring of Charles HALE and Eliza/Alice WICHLOW have her name as Alice on their birth certificates. The surname is very inconsistent however with her name spelt as WITCHLEY, WETCHELLOW, WICHELOW, WITCHELLOW & WICHLOWE
She cannot be the Alice WICKLOW that married Thomas MOORE as they too married in 1878, four years after Eliza and Frederick Hale.
According to the marriage certificate for Eliza WICHLOW who married Charles Hale she was aged 21 in 1874 - that does put her birth as 1856. There are no birth listings for any Wichellows at that time. Perhaps her birth did not get registered as you suggested.
Then to throw a further spanner in the works her death certificate which was issued in the state of Victoria in 1929 has her age at death as 75 which makes her birth year 1854. The only Wichellow listed as being born in that year is Catherine Wichelow. Alice Hale's death certificate has her parents listed as Charles Wichelow and Catherine.
Could Nathaniel Wichellow have had a brother called Charles???
Could Alice Wichellow be Catharine Wichellow born in 1854. There certainly is no listing for a marriage of Catherine Wichelow.
I have found some listings on Trove for Wichellows. I have traced them back to working on a station called Hummocks Station near Clare. My 2nd Great Grandfather Charles Frederick Hale came out from England and was working there. From what I can gather Nathaniel Wichellow was also working there and Charles married his daughter Alice. They had a son called James Hale (my great grandfather) who was born in Mongolata in 1883. Then then moved to Sale/Maffra in Victoria.
I'm planning on doing a trip to SA later in the year to do a bit more digging. I would really like to solve this mystery as my mother did not know much about her father and his family and she died just as she was getting started on researching.
I spoke to the current owners of Hummocks Station (it is now a B&B) who said that they had made contact with a lady in her 80s who lived all her life on the Station. Maybe she might be able to shed some light.
Regards
Erryn
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Hi Erryn,
I may be able to help you with some information. Am I right in thinking that you are Colin Hale's grand daughter? There were only three of James & Alice's children who married and had children; my grandmother Elsie was their eldest daughter.
Cheers - Heather
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Hi Heather
Yes I am Colin's granddaughter. Nice to meet you cousin! I would love any information you have on the Hale's as my mother only knew a little of her father. Sadly my mum passed away five years ago just as she was beginning to start the family research.
She did speak of "Auntie Elsie" and I have a photo of my grandparent's wedding with Elsie in it. It is the only photo I have of my Grandfather so if you have any other photos or stories about him I would be most grateful. If you would like to send me a private message you can email me at (*)
I have traced Colin's family back to Nathaniel Wichellow and Mary Brady in South Australia but have been unable to go further back then that. As per earlier posts Eliza/Alice Wichellow (daughter of Nathaniel and Mary) is proving a difficult hurdle.
Regards
Erryn Stephens
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread..., but has any new information come to light regarding Eliza/Alice WICHELOW, or her parents Charles + Catherine/Nathaniel + Mary?
Charles HALE (who married Eliza/Alice WICHELOW) is my second great-great uncle. He came out to Australia in 1864 with his brother William onboard the Ocean Chief.
I'm leaning more towards Alice WICHELOW, daughter of Nathaniel WICHELOW + Mary BRADY.
Thanks, Pete
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Hi Pete, I have some information on Elisa/Alice. How exactly are you related to Charles Hale (who is my 2nd great grandfather? Perhaps you can private message me and we can exchange information.
Cheers - Heather
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Hi Heather, I'm a descendant from William HALE (1844-1916), brother of your Charles. They both arrived in South Australia on the ship Ocean Chief, and both worked at Hummocks Station. William left SA for the Victorian goldfields, before settling in Sale, Victoria.
I'd be happy to private message with you..., but as I'm new here, I haven't earned that privilege yet (3 posts, I think?).
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Welcome to Rootschat, PeteMacca. I think you have made enough posts now!
Just out of interest, I have been helping a friend with her HALE family who were originally from Redbourn/Sudbury/St Albans area, . Her family includes a William Henry HALE 1856-1930 and a Charles HALE (1846-?). Her William certainly emigrated to South Australia but I'm unsure as to when.
The dates do not fit your family but i wonder if they are related.
Judith
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Hi Judith, I'm away from my computer at the moment, but I don't that they're a match.
There's a website called Hale-Genealogy that has some basic info on the Hales who came out to OZ. It might give you a lead...
Good luck, Pete
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Having looked at the on-line tree which suggests that your HALE family was from Hampshire I would agree that the families are not related.
Judith