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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: tedscout on Thursday 18 April 13 07:01 BST (UK)
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Robert Ladds JINNETTE was born on 28 Jan 1889 in Buln Buln, Victoria
He married Lottie Elizabeth FREEMAN on 14 June 1909 in Druin, Victoria
They had 8 children between 1910 and 1925 (however I have read on story on Ancestry that suggests that some of the later children are not his however this is pure conjecture).
In March 1915 Lottie takes him to court for Wife Desertion he has been away for about 10 months. This is recorded in the Riverine Herald Lottie is living in Womboota near Moama at this stage.
In April 1915 he enlists in the Army in Wodonga and lists Lottie as his wife
In 1941 he enlists again and lists himself as a widower.
He married Vera May Hyatt in 1942 (on her death certificate the marriage date is unknown but this marriage is mentioned - I have not found this marriage myself the date is from another family member).
There is a divorce for a Jinnette vs Jinnette in The Argus in 1946, but as it does not mention first names I have no idea which Jinnette couple divorce.
Lottie did not die until 1948.
I hope I have given you all the correct facts. Thanks for reading this, thanks for any help given in advance.
Cheers, Ted
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Is this the second marriage you are looking for?
Possibly Vera's second marriage also ;)
Marriage in VIC:
JINNETTE Robt Ladds m. BEAZLEY Vera May 1942 #14141
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Merlin,
Thank you yes it is. Now I know they actually married :-[
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Do you or another family member have his death certificate?
Death in VIC:
JINNETTE Robert Ladds age 72yrs d. 1959 HEID #5310
Father: William
Mother: Elizabeth MARSDEN
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Yes thanks I have a digital copy but it is very hard to read.
It doesn't mention his wife Vera only Lottie and only the first 4 of the children are mentioned.
He died in the Heidelberg Repat hospital and the death was registered by someone Robinson.
I think it is her 2nd marriage too.
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Oh and Vera died in 1953 so it looks as though he was on his own :'(
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Her first marriage was in NSW:
BEAZLEY THOMAS D m. HYATT VERA M 1920 ALBURY #17666
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Thanks so much Merlin
Do you know how to find divorces - and if they married in Gippland and lived in Moama NSW which state would the divorce have taken place?
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I downloaded Robert's marriage to Vera and it says he was divorced on June 20, 1941.
Interestingly though he only has 4 children on this certificate - so maybe there is some truth to the story that the last 4 were not his.
Thank you so much for your help Merlin - I always knew you were a magician. ;D
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Sorry Ted, I had to go out...
If he was divorced in Victoria the records you require are held at the Supreme Court for those years:
http://prov.vic.gov.au/research/divorce
I can't see it listed in NSW:
http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/
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Thats ok Merlin - I had to go to work. Just got home 20 hamburgers later - not sure why everyone wanted hamburgers tonight.
I did check the divorce records that were on line in Victoria and I have trolled through the newspapers on Trove for the appropriate time, but I haven't found anything yet.
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He signed up April 1915 but went AWOL in October and was declared a deserter, March 1916.
There is a letter in his military file from Lottie's lawyer, Joseph Lynch, in 1941 - which states that she had not seen him since about 1914, that she was seeking a divorce, and they were looking for information about his current whereabouts.
So where was he between the wars, if he didn't go home to Lottie?
In 1941 he seems to give a sister as next of kin. Perhaps he at least got back in touch with his birth family - if "Robinson" was a sister/niece/nephew etc, that would explain why they knew about Lottie and the four kids.
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The plot thickens - thank you jorose!
In 1924 Robert was in Bendigo according to the Electrol Roll. But that electrol Roll has Lottie with him at the same address. :-\
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which states that she had not seen him since about 1914, JOROSE
The last child I am able to spot was born to the couple 1912 at Geelong. I can only see 2 others before this and then nothing further to 1918, followed by 1920. These last 2 I can see were at Eaglehawk which fits with the E Roll findings.
Perhaps the fourth which he claims as his own, was somewhere after or around 1914.
Perhaps, Tedscout, if you were able to name the children whom he claims it may help to map his movements.
Sue
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The death certificate is attached to a tree on ancestry.
The informant is the funeral director.
The children named are Gwendoline 50, Cecilia 48, John 46 and Robert 44.
According to the birth indexes Gwendoline Ethel May was born in 1910; no registration for a Cecilia born c 1911; John William was born 1912 and Gerald Robert 1911.
In 1949 a Robert JINNETTE [a cook] was in the Horsham area with address Rocklands Dam. Robert Ladds JINNETTE was cook according to his service records.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0tl0/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0tl1/
Robert Ladds JINNETTE does not appear with his 2nd wife on the electoral roll at Wodonga in either 1943 or 1949.
Cando
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Thanks Cando,
I've just got home from work. I am so glad you answered the questions Sue asked.
I have a Sylvia born in 1914 instead of a Cecilia. I have a photograph of this woman although I have not found her birth yet she died in 2004. Hubby's aunties remember her. She was married to Ossie Ward.
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In NSW a notation is made in the marriage register when a couple are divorced and this notation will appear on any subsequent copies of the cerificate which are issued. This practise only ceased in NSW in 1983.
I don't know if it was the same in Victoria ??? Perhaps contact the registry to ask.
Debra :)
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Information on death certificates is not always reliable.
There are two further births to Robert and Lottie at Eaglehawk in 1918 [female] and 1920 [male]and the death of another son born c1925. Both parents were enrolled to vote at Eaglehawk in 1924.
JINNETTE Murray Edward
Father Robert Ladds Mother Lottie Eliza FREEMAN
At Swan Hill 54 years 1979 Reg#14764
Marriage
JINNETTE Sylvia Lottie
WARD Oswald Meirion
1935 Reg#14429
How many children are named on Lottie's death certificate?
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks Debra and Cando
I am trying to justify whether I buy anymore certificates on this one or move on to the next person I can't find.
They are extended family and I am at present putting the "interesting" stories together. I am planning on writing a book but I dont want just the usual names and dates family history that others seem to come up with.
My Freemans' decended from one 13yo convict and I think a book about some of the hardships and triumphs his decendents experienced would be interesting for future generations - especially as I have found at least one person who was involved in almost all of Australia's historical moments.
Cheers, Ted
Red post: I think you have made up my mind for me Cando - off to find the credit card. Lotties Death cert instead of buying dinner tonight LOL. (mmmm now what am I cooking instead?)
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It is very puzzling that LOTTIE would say she had not seen him since 1914, but the informant on the DC of Murray Edward JINNETTE believed his father was ROBERT Ladds.
That birth must have been round 1925. :D
Very poor memory if the informant is correct ;)
Sue
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Information on death certificates is not always reliable. I know. That is why I am planning on writing my own before I go.
There are two further births to Robert and Lottie at Eaglehawk in 1918 [female]Edna Pearl who died in 2007 and 1920 [male] Thomas Leonard who died in 2010and the death of another son born c1925. Murray Edward who died in 1979 Both parents were enrolled to vote at Eaglehawk in 1924.
JINNETTE Murray Edward
Father Robert Ladds Mother Lottie Eliza FREEMAN
At Swan Hill 54 years 1979 Reg#14764
Marriage
JINNETTE Sylvia Lottie
WARD Oswald Meirion
1935 Reg#14429 I haven't found her birth but the family remember her well
How many children are named on Lottie's death certificate? Will let you know when I find the credit card
Cheers
Cando
Thanks Cando
Red post again: Thanks Sue - I think this family liked to tell porkies. He was a widow in 1941 on his enlistment papers LOL. I am beginning to think it is a case of Can't live with 'em Can't live with out 'em.
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The TROVE article in 1915 (when Lottie was deserted/living in Deniliquin) mentions a six month old baby so Sylvia was probably born in NSW in 1914?
Essie
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Thanks Essie.
Cando, Sue and anyone else who is interested. I have the death cert for Lottie.
She died in 1948 and these are her children listed as:
Gwendolyn Elizabeth May 38
Gerald Robert Ernest 37
John William 35
Sylvia Lottie 33
Edna Pearl 29
Thomas Leonard 27
Lillian Beryl 26
Coral Linda 24
Murray Edward 22
The death was registered by T L Jinnette (present at death)
She was married at Druin aged 19 to Robbert Ladds Jinnette and she was divorced.
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Indeed she was Essie!
JINETTE Sylvia L.
1914
Father Robert L.
Mother Lottie E.
Moama
Reg 53595
Out of interest, both LOTTIE and her son MURRAY EDWARD are buried at the Swan Hill Cemetery.
Sue
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Thank you so much Essie and Sue.
mmmm - can I escape to Swan Hill for the weekend - >:( I promised to help a friend move house. :'(
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Hi Tedscout,
My name is Chantelle Commisso I am the granddaughter to John William Jinnette, he was my mother Donna's father. My mum was b1961 d1986, the date that John William Jinnette had passed away was in 2003. I'm currently trying to do the same thing that your doing and I've been hitting a brick wall nearly everytime, I get to a certain name then I cant go any further. If there is anything that you would like to know more about just let me know and I will see what I can help you with and maybe we can help each other with what we both have.
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Hi Chantelle,
I hope you still get notified from this website as I would like to swap info with you
Cheers, Ted
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Hello Ted.
My name is Janine Jinnette and i am married to Daryl Ladds Jinnette, whose father is John William Jinnette born 30/08/1912, i am interested in what you have so far and would be grateful for any knowledge. Thank You in anticipation. Janine