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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Buteshire => Topic started by: Prairie on Wednesday 17 April 13 21:51 BST (UK)
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Greetings! I am searching for information about my 4th great grandparents Archibald McKillop and Janet McMillan or MacMillan. They left Arran for Canada in 1829. I am trying to find which village they were from and anything about their families. I do not know when or where they were married.
Regards,
Prairie
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Hi Prairie
Just as background on Archibald McKillop and Janet McMillan, are these their details here from the manifest:
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=563&p=localities.britisles.scotland.but.general
Archibald McKillop
Janet McMillan
Children
Donald – “Valdie” died in Dakota
Mary – located in Missouri
Malcolm – died a few years after arriving
Angus – located in Hamilton, Ontario
Archibald
A few other McKillop families also showing on the manifest. Have you been able to trace them further in Canada to see whether they connect as family to your Archibald?
Monica
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The marriage is on Family Search.
Married in the parish of Klmory, Isle of Bute on 13 Mar 1815
EDIT:
3 children also on FS, all baptised in Kilmory
All are baptism dates with no actual birth date
Archibald bapt 1 May 1816
Angus bapt 22 Feb 1819
Janet bapt 5 Mar 1821
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Could it have been a second marriage? Or a couple with the same names?
Other family researchers show the following approximate birth years for the children of Archibald and Janet:
Mary 1806
Donald 1808
Malcolm 1810
Archibald 1810
Angus 1810
Janet 1821...given the gap in years, maybe this connects to the 1815 marriage you found Anne?
Lots of 1810s ::) but at least may help in trying to find any records of their births and/or christenings.
Monica
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Apologies Monica,
I was editing whilst you were posting
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No problem, Anne. Glad you are there :)
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There is a couple called Janet Ferguson and Archibald McKillop. I think it is this couple/mother showing as Ferguson who had the daughter Mary b.1806 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYKB-FYG
Other entries with mother showing as a Ferguson, include:
Daniel 1808 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTJC-P6J*
Malcolm 1811 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY7J-WBH
Jannet 1813 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTJH-Q9Z
With these entries and the marriage you found to a Janet McMillan in 1815 in Kilmory, it is what made me think there might have been a second marriage for Archibald?
Monica
* Donald and Daniel are interchangeable names in Scotland, see http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=daniel
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Gosh!
I have definitely come across these families before, possibly helping someone else on this or another forum?
I cannot remember where but I do recall that Arran seems to be the home of the McKillops .
I recall looking at marriages and births on FS and could see numerous McKillops, men called Archibald!
Also that McKillops on the 1841 census on Arran were numerous
I will try and remember where, when, and for whom that I looked at this before.
Edit:
I knew that I'd seen the McKillops before.
I had been helping someone at the end of last year, re a McKillop family of Kilmory.
On that occasion, I was trying to separate 2 women, both called Flora McKillop both born in Kilmory.
I found marriages for both women, and I could not separate them from each other.
One remained in Scotland whilst the other emigrated to Canada.
I left it up to the person to obtain the Scottish death cert for his Flora McKillop to ascertain the correct parents
Neither girls were born to the couple on this thread, but both had brothers named Archibald McKillop!
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I see where you are coming from Monica re Archibald McKillop and Janet Ferguson or Janet McMillan.
It is possibly a second marriage
In the same time period in Kilmory, thereis another couple.
Archibald McKillop and Catherine Mc Millan.
Both couples (McKillop/McMillan) had sons called Archibald baptised in Kilmory 1816
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Just as background on Archibald McKillop and Janet McMillan, are these their details here from the manifest:
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=563&p=localities.britisles.scotland.but.general
Archibald McKillop
Janet McMillan
Children
Donald – “Valdie” died in Dakota
Mary – located in Missouri
Malcolm – died a few years after arriving
Angus – located in Hamilton, Ontario
Archibald
Just spotted this - suspect that the manifest details have been conflated with the story that the poster has of what happened to the passengers after the journey - and possibly a mistake has been made.
I suggest that Valdie = Baldy = a commonly used contraction of the name Archibald. Possibly Donald and Archibald have been confused in this case?
Kind regards, Arranroots :)
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Sorry I have been off searching other family lines. I didn't realize I had used an email address I don't often check so I didn't know anyone had responded.
Yes, Arranroots I believe this is my family. My great great great grandmother Mary McKillop Thurber was living in Missouri with her daughter, Carrie, who I think married a cousin, Malcolm McKillop. As you can see I have had difficulty researching this family with so many of the names being repeated over and over. Are you saying this manifest is incorrect and someone was trying to make them fit?
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It doesn't look like Mary McKillop Thurber continued the naming pattern with her own children except for the first two. First born was Drusilla named for Mary's husband Harley's mother. Second born was Archibald assuming after Mary's father. But after that the names do not repeat. There is Calvin, Henry, Mary Jane, Martha, George Weber, Caroline Lee Jeanette or Janette and then Charles Edward. Archibald, Henry, George, and Charles died as infants or in childhood. Calvin died serving in the Civil War. Only her daughters survived to have families of their own. Only name that was repeated was Mary so no clues there.
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You may find of interest that Carrie McKillop's daughter Mary Ethel married John Stafford and their daughter was Jean Stafford who won the Pulitzer Prize for fiction. In a biography of Jean's there is a chapter that mentions she travelled to the Isle of Arran but not much is written about her visit or the McKillop family. It is more or less what was going on in her life. Of what I have read about her she disliked her parents. I wonder if there had been anything written about her visit to Arran?
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Hello again.
I am wondering whether the passenger list has been written to fit the names that people were known by, rather than directly transcribed (though I might be wrong & am not implying anything untoward!)
Wow the Pulitzer is impressive! You could try contacting the Arran Heritage Centre to see whether they have records of the visit. Local papers might well have covered it, not sure which depending on the date as they come & go!
www.arranmuseum.co.uk
Kind regards, Arranroots :)
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I have information on Archibald and Janet's son Angus which states he was born on the Isle of Arran and married Ann McGilvray in Quebec, Canada. On Ancestry I found an OPR with marriages and am confused why it was attached to Angus. Is the first name listed on the record the father of the groom? I'm assuming it is. So far I'm finding it difficult to read the record and am not sure what the connection to Angus is.
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Hi Prairie,
Looking at the marriage of Angus McKillop to Anne McGillivray 1847 Quebec.
He was born circa 1810
Unfortunately no parents are listed on the cert but according to census data, this family moved to Michigan around 1870.
Angus died in Michigan in 1872 and his parents are listed as Archibald and CATHERINE McKillop
Anne died in Michigan 1915. Her father's name was McGilvery
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Angus marriage record - I guess I was just confused with all the names repeating and forgot who I was looking for. Thank you for clarifying his marriage. I've just started reading "The Annals of Megantic County" and it's helping me keep the families straight although I think I still need a chart in front of me when researching them. The McKillop family is definitely challenging.