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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: gareth_1971 on Tuesday 16 April 13 01:02 BST (UK)
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Hi all
I am trying to track down details (birth details plus parent's details) of my Great Grandfather, George Alfred HUNT born about 1883 and who died on 10 Aug 1954.
I have been able to track down the name of his father, George Henry HUNT through the details of George Alfred's marriage to Mary Ann DARLING in Battersea (12 May 1904) but cannot find any index / census reference for George Alfred's birth or any more details on George Henry.
It is possible that George Alfred was born in either Scotland or England but, to date, have lucked out searching for details anywhere that tie the two together.
Any help / hints would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks !
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Was Mary Ann born circa 1885 in Battersea daughter of James and Harriet.
If so what looks to be her with a new husband is on the 1911 census only instead of being George Hunt its Henry Hunt and they claim to be married 4 years instead of 7. If this is the right couple could explain why you afre having difficulty finding them. (This Henry says he is born Kensington)
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Hi just doing a quick check of Freebmd births would I be correct in saying that they are in Neath, Glamorganshire c 1911?
Keyboard86
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@davidft - that is very interesting .. Yes, Mary Ann DARLING was the daughter of James DARLING and Harriett BENNETT though according to my dad (who was born in Neath in 1940), Mary Ann was still around there with George Alfred at the time (see below).
@keyboard86 - yes, I should have included that information. The family (George Alfred and Mary Ann) did move to Neath which is where my Grandfather (also George Alfred and born in 1914) and his siblings were born. in the 1911 censuse they are indeed in Neath with their first child (Lillian Annie). I am good with the Neath onwards piece, it is working back that is troubling me !
Thanks for the help so far !
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Hi
Would you post the other details from the marriage certificate?
Specifically, the addresses and what both fathers did for a living.
Thanks
Ray
[ Davidft - You don't seem to be looking at the closest match? ]
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Hi Ray, I looked at the marriage last night the address was that of Mary Ann's parents in latest census and George the father of George A was a builder, their is one to be found with a son George of correct yob but this George jnr appears to be a George Henry as well?! George Alfred, would appear to be born in same place as marriage, to give you a clue!!
Keyboard86
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Not this one?
George Alfred Hunt
Sep 1883
Mile End
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[ Davidft - You don't seem to be looking at the closest match? ]
I was trying an alternative approach as I had no luck with George Alfred Hunt (although I did see the 1883 Mile End birth), so I concentrated on Mary Ann. I found the correct Mary Ann in the bmd's but then went astray with the censuses it would seem. I had to stop then as I could not get back onto rootschat due to server issues.
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Do you know the names of any of George Alfred's brothers and sisters / as that may help track down George in earlier years
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Thanks all. I had tried the Mile End one but, unfortunately, it was a dead end. Will keep up the search and thanks for all the help so far !
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Marriage details
12 May 1904 @ the parish church Battersea
George Alfred Hunt (21), Postman (?) of 14 Lombard Road married Mary Ann Darling (19) of 14 Lombard Road. Grooms father George Henry Hunt, Builder. Brides father James Darling, Yard foreman. Witnesses Edith Elizabeth Luff and Emma Eliza Darling.
In 1901 a Mary Jane Oalley 45 is living at 14 Lombard Road, nut interestingly next door at No. 16 is a James Henry Hunt aged 65 from Woburn, Bucks. He is the son of Ruben Hunt and Ann Pyne but I cannot see a son George Henry Hunt
in 1911 14 Lombard Road is the Darling household
(Possible) Children of George Alfred Hunt and Mary Ann Darling in case the names occur amongst George's brothers and sisters
1912 Maud G
1914 George a
1918 Winifred M
1920 William J
1925 Arthur H
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Going backwards and keeping James in mind how does this look..
George Hunt hd m 35 builders son Clerkenwell
Mary A wi m 37 Crayford Kent
GEORGE SON U 8 SCHOLAR CRAYFORD KENT
Lizzie dau u 6 Peckham
Mabel dau u 4 Islington
1891 CENSUS 176 Highbury Hill Islington RG12/177 F 76 P23
1861 census
James Hunt hd m 40 builder Ipswich Suffolk
Sarah wi m 39 d/o
Sarah dau u 16 scholar Finsbury
Hellen dau u 12 scholar Clerkenwell
Alice dau u 10 scholar d/o
Frances dau u 9 scholar d/o
James son u 17? scholar clerkenwell
GEORGE SON U 5 CLERKENWELL
Henry son u 2 Clerkenwell
Charles son u 9months
1861 rg9/190 f 5 p9
Marriage
George Henry Hunt bac full age of81 St John St Crayford Kent builder father James Builder
Mary AnnYexley spin full age address as both father Henry Yexley Block printer ( cannot read the rest)
Tazzie
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Going backwards and keeping James in mind how does this look..
George Hunt hd m 35 builders son Clerkenwell
Mary A wi m 37 Crayford Kent
GEORGE SON U 8 SCHOLAR CRAYFORD KENT
Lizzie dau u 6 Peckham
Mabel dau u 4 Islington
1891 CENSUS 176 Highbury Hill Islington RG12/177 F 76 P23
Yes I have seem that 1891 census and it does seem the best fit. However this is the 1901 census
and it seems to say the son is also George H, although in my opinion that is a bad reading of the original and it could just as easily be George A. just as they have transcribed his birth as Cranford rather than Crayford. The problem is though there is not a George A Hunt registration in the Dartford RD for 1882/3 as there needs to be, but there is a George Henry in 1882
George H Hunt 45
Mary D Hunt 47
George H Hunt 18
Lizzie M Hunt 16
Mabel D Hunt 14
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 200; Folio: 130; Page: 18.
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Hi
Ok playing around in circles but NOT the family I found above as the son is definately George Henry and I can tie him down in a marriage in 1909 .
Will have another look around for you ....
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Again, thanks all.
@tazzie - yes, unfortunately it appears that this is not the George Henry I am looking for but thank you for the research so far.
@davidft - the names of the children of George Alfred Hunt and Mary Ann Darling you have are correct. There was also Lillian Annie (1909) and I believe William James was born in 1923 rather than 1920.
I am not aware of any of George Alfred's brothers or sisters. Edith Elizabeth Luff (marriage witness) was a (future) spouse of Mary Ann's brother (James). Emma Eliza Darling was probably Mary Ann's Eliza Elizabeth (may have been transcribed wrong on the marriage certificate) so neither of those help I am afraid.
The James Henry Hunt from Buckinghamshire link looks interesting so will look in to that one a bit more as there was a tendency at the time for relationships to develop between near neighbours !
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Actually, scrap the James Henry link .. his son was a George but George Robert :(
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Actually, there is one possible connection I may have found and would be interested to hear any thoughts -
In the 1901 Census there is a George Hunt living at 8 Roslyn Road in Acton. George (as Head) has a listed occupation of 'General Dealer - own account at home' which I suspect is another way of saying he ran his own business. George (abt. 1858) is married to Matilda (abt 1859) and they have 6 children including George (abt 1883) who could be the George Alfred I am looking for and whose occupation is listed as Bricklayer's Labourer - the same as he is on the 1911 Wales Census in Neath when he is with Mary Ann and their daughter Lilian Annie. He is also not listed as a 'worker' which means he could have been working for his father. The only catch is that in the 1911 Census he lists his place of birth as Battersea though in this 1901 England one it is Acton. I know they are only a few miles apart but it does concern me a little.
In addition to George (1883) there are 5 other siblings, William (abt 1885), Archibald (abt 1887), Margaret (abt 1894), Susan (abt 1896) and Gertrude (abt 1899).
If someone with better detective skills than me could possibly find some substantiating evidence I would be most grateful !
Thanks again for the help so far.
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Hi
red rag to a bull I have been chasing George's all over London however looking at the Acton one I found 1881 ... he's a plasterer..!
George Hunt hd m 22 plasterer b Nottinghill
Matilda wi m 22 laundress b Kensal Green
Thomas son u 2 b Acton
living 18 Palmerston Rd Acton RG11/1355 F 62 P4
MARRIAGE George Hunt to Matilda Bell 1876 Fulham
by 1891 he's a carman so following work as he could get it could have been a jobbing builder at time of George juniors marriage
1891 George Hunt hd m 33 carman b Nottinghill
Matilda wi m 33 ironer b Kensal Green
Thomas son u 12 scholar
George son u 8 scholar
William son u 6 scholar
Archibald son u 4
Charlotte Bell sisiter u 39 Ironer Kensal Green
Chas Chandler lodger u 15 laundry boy b Acton
8 Shaftsbury Acton RG12/1037 F 51 P35.
Tazzie
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I think the marriage cert. occupation is Potman not Postman?
Jennifer
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I don't think that the Acton George is your man because the name is NOT given as George Alfred on either the birth registration or the baptism. Also the father is not referred to as George Henry on his marriage or baptisms of his children.
(Incidentally you mentioned at the start that George Alfred may have been from Scotland, I searched Scotlands people website and there is no George Alfred hunt born there 1880-1890)
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An update. There is a birth registration for a George Hunt in Wandsworth Q2 of 1883 (Vol 1d, p. 707) so have ordered a certificate and hoping it is my man George Alfred :)
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OK. I think I may have discovered a good link from the certificate I ordered but now need something to confirm it.
The birth certificate is for George HUNT b 9 May 1883 in the sub-district of Battersea (reg district Wandsworth) which although the Alfred is missing otherwise makes sense. The father is listed as Henry HUNT (the George is missing per the marriage certificate of George Alfred though one of them could easily be wrong) with an occupation of Railway Fireman and address of 4 Stewart's Lane West (now Bradmead) which was old railway accommodation. It is not inconceivable in the next 21 years his occupation would change to Builder (as listed on George Alfred's marriage certificate). His mother is listed as Jane BENDALL.
If anyone can help confirm the link to Jane BENDALL though marriage or other records it would be appreciated. To date I have not been able to find any records though not sure where they would have been married.
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Here we go then this family ties into that birth cert....
Henry Hunt hd m 40 railway shedman b Battersea Surrey
Sarah Jane wi m 38 b Manchester
Henry John son u 16 railway cleaner
Harriet John dau u 13
Marth Jane dau u 11
Emma dau u 9
GEORGE SON U 7
Alfred son u 6
William Frank son u 3
Walter Jas son u 1
Transcribed as Hent and Kent for last 2 boy
address 4 Stewarts Lane West Battersea
RG12 /426 F 101 P23
In 1901 at same address father Henry now a rail Inspector and George is a railway stoker
RG13/443 F 167 P 20
Parents marriage is ....
Henry Hunt age 23 bach fireman 17 Little Stewarts Lane father Joseph Hunt deceased shoemaker
Sarah Jane Bendall 21 spin 4 Little Stewarts Lane father John Bendall engineer
both signed witnessed by John Bendall & Eliza Catherine Church?
St Saviours Battersea 24 May 1874
Tazzie
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Hi
ok the daughter Harriett Ann marries in 1899 at St George Battersea..
father listed as William Henry Hunt railway inspector.
Think we can conclude thats not them as inspector to builder is a big difference
** Added also we may have to think about the term Builder- could be at various stages... carpenter/ plasterer/bricklayer all could interchange over time.
Tazzie
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Hi
I know it has been a while since the last post but am hoping someone sees this thread and is able to provide some suggestions.
I have been searching for ages now, using Ancestry and other sources and I am still yet to find a reference to George Alfred's birth in Battersea back in 1883. There are a few similar names as covered in this thread but nothing matches the George Alfred with a father of George Henry as listed on the marriage certificate from 1904
I am at a complete dead end here and would be grateful for any additional detective work :)
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Ray has kindly provided the following if it helps anyone following this thread. I am going to follow through as much as I can as well
If you accept 1901 176 Highbury Hill as the family
RG13 / 200 / 130 / p18
George H H 45
Mary A/D 47 ( Cran/yford, Kent )
George A/H H 18 ( Cran/yford, Kent )
Lizzie M H 16 ( Peckham )
Mabel D H 14 ( Islington )
Then . . . . . add these to your notes . . . . .
Marriage Sep 1880 LONDON C. 1c 121 George Henry Hunt / Mary Ann Yexley
Birth 1882 Sep DARTFORD ( inc Crayford ) 2a 450 George Henry Hunt ( mmn Yexley )
Birth 1884 Jun CAMBERWELL 01D 887 Lizzie May Hunt ( mmn Yexley )
Birth 1887 MAR ISLINGTON 01B 411 Mabel Dorcas Hunt ( mmn Yexley )
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Just adding something interesting I found and hoping someone can help me follow it through -
I have found a school enrolment entry in 1894 for a George Hunt born 12 May 1883 at the Shillington St School which is categorised under the Wandsworth Registration District. He has a father George and what looks like a brother Thomas (also enrolled at the same school). The 12 May date is significant as it matches George Alfred's marriage date to Mary Darling and where he was listed as being 21 on the marriage details.
They were listed as living at 117 Livingstone Road (again categorised as Battersea and Wandsworth in the 1890s). I researched this address and was able to come up with a George Hunt there on a number of electoral rolls.
Is there anyone who might be able to do a better search on the address than I can ? In a census perhaps ?
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Hi the George Hunt aged 8 b Stepney with amongst others a Tommy 5 b Stepney could be the two enrolled 1894
RG12/435/10/16 1891 census?
Keyboard86
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Thanks, I don't think it would be the Stepney ones as the age of George is way off. The school registration has him at age 11 in 1894 with the 12 May 1883 birthday.
What I found REALLY interesting is that one of the witnesses to George Alfred and Mary Ann's wedding that I mentioned really early on, Edith Elizabeth Duff, married Mary Ann's brother, James in 1909. On the marriage register they are listed as living at 110 Livingstone Road so the same street as this George and George combination ! Could just be a co-incidence and there are some may false positives in research but I feel I am getting somewhere if I can just nail down other records to verify.
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Hi if the George in census was aged 8 in 1891 would he not be c 11 in 1894?
Keyboard86
PS what was the year of birth of the possible brother Thomas?
George / Tommy have a younger brother Fred b c 1891 Battersea, they are all living at Sewell Road, Battersea, Wandsworth?
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Thomas was born on 19 Jul 1885 according to the school enrolment. The enrolment was on 24 Sep 1894.
If i work backwards to the 1891 census (which was held on 5 April) then George Alfred would have been 7 at the time of the census and not 8 (assuming 12 May 1883 birthday) and Thomas would have been 5.
The date of George Alfred's birthday may be wrong so yes it is possible. Sorry, I did read that 1891 reference wrong ... The Labourer occupation and Builder (on George A's marriage records) could match the father George in this reference.
The only thing that really bugs me is that George Alfred is otherwise always listed as a Battersea birth place which is obviously quite different to Stepney ... I have just found another thread (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=467722.0) referencing the same as you have that suggests the father is George Albert Hunt and not George Henry so I may be barking up the wrong tree.
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Hi
For the notes pile . . . . .
If you accept 1901 176 Highbury Hill as the family
RG13 / 200 / 130 / p18
George H H 45
Mary A/D 47 ( Cran/yford, Kent )
George A/H H 18 ( Cran/yford, Kent )
Lizzie M H 16 ( Peckham )
Mabel D H 14 ( Islington )
Then . . . . .
Marriage Sep 1880 LONDON C. 1c 121 George Henry Hunt / Mary Ann Yexley
Birth 1882 Sep DARTFORD ( inc Crayford ) 2a 450 George Henry Hunt ( mmn Yexley )
Birth 1884 Jun CAMBERWELL 01D 887 Lizzie May Hunt ( mmn Yexley )
Birth 1887 Mar ISLINGTON 01B 411 Mabel Dorcas Hunt ( mmn Yexley )
Ray
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Looks like that George married as George Henry Hunt to Charlotte Isabella Dennis 1909 father George Henry a builder witness Mabel Dorcas Hunt.
Jennifer
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Thanks Jennifer
Yeah, I am pretty sure that this group i not the one I am looking for. If I can tie down George Henry to the Livingstone Road address in 1891 or 1901 census then that will help with my theory on the school registrations - trying to do it is hard though !
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Not what you were hoping for.
1901 census 117 Livingstone Road Battersea
George Hunt 48 can not read occ. born Whitechapel
Emma 47 Whitechapel
Frederick 11
Herbert 7
Henry 5
Mary or May 2
Florence 9 all children born Battersea
No sign of a a George or Thomas?
Jennifer
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I am looking towards the family being the one in Sewell Road. Emma is now Emily, but Frederick matches up and then younger children.
Jennifer
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Thanks Jennifer - was literally just looking at that one myself ! Can't read the occupation either :(
I guess it is possible that George Alfred (who would have been 17/18 at the time) was not at the house at that time (he was listed as living with the Darling family in 1904 at the time of his marriage in 1904) but the lack of Thomas (who would have been 15/16) is a concern but again possible as they often worked quite young.
Will try and find the 1891 Census record for Livingstone Road see what that brings.
Thanks for all your assistance.
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It may say navvy?
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Just for the record Edith Elizabeth was a Luff not Duff.
Jennifer
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Yes, you are right. Duff was a typo on my part. Definitely Luff.
Have managed to find the entries for 117 Livingstone in the 1891 Census and does not show them living there at the time - was McGrath, Page and Steel families.
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Could this be our man?
St Thomas Stepney 4/7/1875
George Alfred Hunt 19 labourer 8 oxford street father George labourer
Emily Warren 18 88 New Street father Henry George labourer
Witnesses henry George Warren and Ann Elizabeth Clancy?
Jennifer
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Possible birth st.Philip Stepney Bapt. 7/1/1857
George Alfred Hunt parents george and Louisa occ. warehouseman address 26 Turner Street.
Jennifer
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Sorry, Jennifer - that Stepney link is way off in terms of dates. George Alfred was definitely born around 1883 (not 1857). Thanks for looking though.
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No that is his father born 1857 and his parents marriage in 1875
Could this be our man?
St Thomas Stepney 4/7/1875
George Alfred Hunt 19 labourer 8 oxford street father George labourer
Emily Warren 18 88 New Street father Henry George labourer
Witnesses henry George Warren and Ann Elizabeth Clancy?
Jennifer
Jennifer
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Frederick william Hunt Reg March qtr 1890 Wandsworth MMN Warren
( brother to your George and Thomas)
Jennifer
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Just getting back to this, I have found out through a family story (the person who posted being a cousin I traced through DNA) that George DID have a brother Tom (or Thomas more likely). This certainly puts the Livingstone Road theory in play. Unfortunately I am just not convinced that some of the options in this thread are valid, particularly the Stepney link - totally different from Wandsworth and Battersea which are always, otherwise consistent in the data I do have access too.