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Hello,
On GG Grandfather Erik NYHOLM's Adelaide Hospital record for 1881 it states that he was born Sweden and arrived on the ship 'Waydelm' and that he had been in the Colony 9yrs
On his next admission record it states that he was from Finland, arrived on the ship 'Wayenhelm' or 'Wagenhelm' ( writing harder to decipher)
and had been in the Colony 12 yrs.
I have searched the Web and Trove for ships/articles of both spellings and cannot find anything.
I have not found him on any Passenger Lists to Adelaide
It is believed that he was a ship deserter
I am in need of help working out the correct name of this ship, where it came from and its movements into SA waters/Ports
His year of arrival is consistently 1872...stated as such on his Naturlisation documents
Am sorting through the Birthplace issue via Finnish and Swedish Parish registers
Any assistance re this ship's name etc would be so good... :)
Thank you
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I see there is a mention of him in this Finnish (Swedish language) paper (Hufvudstadsbladet) in 1887 http://www.loffe.net/emigration-mainmenu-59/3270-erik-johan-sundell-utvandrade-till-nya-zeeland - do you know what it says ?
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Could you post snips of the names please?
You won't find him on passenger lists to Adelaide if he was a ship's deserter. There may be no record of the ship's arrival if it was a cargo vessel.
Cando
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Hi Ezekiel,
I found this piece about him
http://sydaby.eget.net/mig/aus/adelaide.htm
I have done a bit of thinking outside the square, may not be the right answer, but here goes for what it is worth. "Wave of Life" arrived in SA in 1872 and I wondered whether he used a mix of his native tongue and English in its name. OR his accent was the problem.
My grandfather gave the name of his ship and in each case the spelling varied greatly - people's literacy skills were not great and the dialects of the English people were so varied that they had problems with each other. Let alone adding in foreigners like the Scots, Irish and then we had real foreigners ;D
As Cando says no hope of finding a deserter on a shipping list - you may find them on a crew list if it was a Passenger ship.
But do try thinking outside the square occasionally - It isn't always the right answer BUT you can't always follow the straight line when doing family history. Trust me I have found too many right answers by asking What if?
Cheers
mabeljessie
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Wow, ShaunJ and mabeljessie! What fantastic finds :-)
I was thinking 'Wagenheim' for the ship but only got names of people coming up; Wave of Life, sounds so much more likely! And Shaun, how did you find that ;D
Wiki page for his grandson, says Erik was from Nykarleby, Swedish speaking part of Finland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Sydney_Nyholm
Talks about the pride the grandson had for his Finnish roots and even had connections there in his career!
Another source says he was from Ostrobothnia
http://sydaby.eget.net/mig/aus/adelaide.htm
Nykarleby is in the Ostrobothnia region where around 89% of the people are swedish speaking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nykarleby
An item on Trove, says Erik posted a letter to a small Finnish town in Aug 1875. The letter was returned to him 8yrs, one mth and 11 days later - having been to 6 location in Russia, in Venice and in 1878 to where it was addressed!
A native speaker will arrive I'm sure but....patience not good ;D ;D
The title of the piece is:
Österbottniske unvandrare
Ostrobothnia (Lit:East Bothnia) Emigrants
Where Erik is mentioned at the end, it's in a summary of the people mentioned earlier. Nyholm torde wal åldrig någonsin återvända till hemlandet.
Nyholm probably ---- never arrived home.
I think possibly meaning, having left, he probably would never have come back to Ostrobothnia.
Cheers
AMBLY
playing in:
http://swedish.typeit.org/
http://translate.google.com/
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There are a couple of Erik Nyholm's on ancestry's Swedish emigration database, but unfortunately I don't have access to them.
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The first paragraph ends in referal to emigrants to New Zealand (still is!) and New Holland ( aka Australia)
Next para it speaks of Erik John GUNDELL - who went to NZ.
Third para, is about Erik NYHOLM
First emigration to the Australian mainland (= New Holland) joined thus :
(His taking part in the emigration to Australia came about this way) ?
A poor (Broke?), father and motherless youth from the same parish - Erik Nyholm - made his way to Sweden for work. There he took the lease on (or signed onto) a vessel in Härnösand (in order to get to Australia).
Cheers
AMBLY
with Danish ancestry (ie; poring over Danish OPRs), can speak a bit of german and some words in Swedish are similar to look at 8) :P
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Wiki page on Härnösand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A4rn%C3%B6sand
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Derstädes is an archaic spelling of därstädes (= there).
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Hi Shaun
I thought the tranlation would be "There he .... "" something in German similar but I couldn't recall it ;D
I've revised the above...
Cheers
AMBLY
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I don't know any Swedish ...I am just googling these individual words
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Third para, is about Erik NYHOLM
First emigration to the Australian mainland (= New Holland) joined thus :
(His taking part in the emigration to Australia came about this way) ?
A poor (Broke?), father and motherless youth from the same parish - Erik Nyholm - made his way to Sweden for work. There he took the lease on (or signed onto) a vessel in Härnösand (in order to get to Australia).
and next:
Då Sartyget ankom till destinationsorten - Bort Adelaide - rymde vår österbottnifke yngling
When the Ship arrived at it's destination - Port Adelaide - our Osterbottnich youth escaped
och begaf fig i land - detta skedde 1872
and started figure in country - this occurred in 1872
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Try these Shaun! Good fun :) It's how I worked out a lot of my Danish genealogy too:
http://swedish.typeit.org/
http://translate.google.com/
along with:
http://www.loffe.net/content/view/1811/61/
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thanks for the idea of "thinking outside of the square"...hadn't done that and quite understandable to try it given accent difference. Will keep looking but 'Wave of Life' is a good one to look at, given the year.
I had found all of the sites posted,thanks - one of the first things I did was sign on to the Finlander Forum and they have been great re translating articles and the Parish records I have found and they've sent me links for. When Erik died my GGGrandmother re-married to another Finlander who had other family pioneer in Bessemer Michigan US... by family account he was actually a cousin to Erik...still chasing that one.
I made contact with the man who runs Loffe.net and got his reply re the article in Swedish (kindly translated for me on Finlander Forum) but hadn't known till then that author was very many yrs ago deceased...dead end...;)
I hadn't found that piece in Trove re the letter Ambly...shall have to go in and see if I can see it this time...thank you.
You guys have been amazing,thank you...but I am sort of resigned to his more than likely to have been a deserter...just as the next GGGrandfather was a few yrs later. ...and no real paper trail for that part.
If I make a break through I shall let you know.
Anything I can assist with in your searches(if in Oz) will be more than willing to help.
Cheers for now
Julie :)
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Thanks for the update Julie!
Here's some more translation (on a roll!) how does it stack up agaianst the real one ;D
- och ester många äfventyr erhöll han arbete först hos enskild person sedermera Jernwägsarbete (modern: järnvägs).
- after many tests were taken he work first at the individual later Railway work.
Slutligen återtog han ett handtwerk fom han utösvat redan i hemlandet - bleckslageri
Lastly he resumed a craft which he had already learnt at home - tinsmith
The earlier bit about 'our youth escaping' at Port Adelaide, makes it seem like a jumping ship situation!
Not uncommon. My Danish gt..did the same thing !
Cheers
AMBLY
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Would you be able to post a snip of the ships name as you have it written? See if we can 'see' the name?
Cheers
AMBLY
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I will attempt to scan and upload the entry tomorrow so you can see what you can make of them...if I can't , I shall coerce any child under 10 to do it for me as they are undoubtedly far better techno whizzes than me ;)
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Perhaps ask SLSA for assistance if you do not live in metropolitan Adelaide. I have always found them extremely helpful.
http://guides.slsa.sa.gov.au/content.php?pid=99525&sid=747051
This publication is an alphabetical index by name of ship, giving dates of arrival, availability of passenger lists, port of arrival and port of origin.
http://www.catalog.slsa.sa.gov.au/record=b1577335~S1
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks Cando...I will be heading in there within the next week hopefully and will look for the pieces you have mentioned for this Ship.
Here is the scanned 1881 and 1884 records from the Adelaide Hospital with the relevant column re Name of Ship ...couldn't fit all the page on but have marked with an asterisk next to the relevant piece on the 1881 but then forgot to mark the 1884 the same way, but k=just look for the 'Coppersmith' entry and that is my Erik.
See what you guys make from the handwritten entry...
A curve ball has come my way tonight as I made contact with a rellie interstate who I have just found via 'detective' work and his bit of news is that Erik may have changed his name...that Nyholm was not actually the name he was born under, but that it was 'RYSS'...but then it got changed again before he came out on the ship to 'RANK'...so he's listed on a ship under the name of 'RANK'...WHY DO THEY DO THIS TO US????? ;)
On all the records once he got here he is recorded as NYHOLM...puzzling.
Makes life very interesting, indeed!
Will see what I can find out re this latest bit of info..and let you know if I come up with anything.
Thanks guys...let me know what you make of the handwriting /deciphering...I read it as NAYDELM for the 1881 and WAGENHELM for the 1884...hope you can see them ok.
Cheers for now
Julie
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Oops!..managed to get the Scanning thing right but not the bit where I actually remember to post it with my tome above...sorry..here 'tis on second try. :)
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They don't look at all alike do they?
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The first one looks like Magdeburg
The second one looks like Wannhelm
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The first one:
First letter is W, I think?
Compare to 'Waiter', 'Washerwoman' and is unlike the M is Mason
It looks like Waydelhom?
The last letter is a m (could be an n)?
The writer appears to like a bit of a flourish on occasion when writing these letters:
Compare: the words 'Durham', Washerwoman to
The second:
Harder to make out as the quality is not so good but agree with Shaun it looks more like Wannhelm - except, I am sure there is a 'tailed letter in abt 3rd spot?
Which takes us back to Wayenhelm or Wagenhelm that you first said, Julie ;D ;D ;D
A scan of the original, as opposed to photocopies might help, if you could get that.
Cheers
AMBLY
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The closest I can get is the "Wandrahm" a Barque from Hamburg arrived Sydney Jan 1871 after leaving Adelaide.
Regards, Kate
(Sydney, Australia)
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The "Wandrahm" barque out of Hamburg arrived Sydney via Adelaide, Jan, 1871.
Regards, Kate
(Sydney, Australia)
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Hmmm, good find Kate!
Can find the manifest Adelaide to Sydney (which he's not on of course!)
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1871/01/054wan.htm
Cheers
AMBLY
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Have you checked the archives, State Records Sth Aust?
Administration and Probate Act
and
Inland Revenue
As there is a file about him in each section.
Kate
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Just noting the catalogue summary of the naturalisation papers:
NYHOLM Erik; coppersmith of Adelaide; native of Nyakaleby, Finland; age 30 y; in SA 8 y; Memorial 5-7-1881; Oath 18-7-1881; Certificate 3-8-1881; Source(s) GG 11-8-1881, A711, A733 (v20).
http://www.ach.familyhistorysa.info/naturalizations.html
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Hi ezekiel,
I thought I'd recommend this site for searching records from Nykarleby. If you use google translate you will be able to search for an Erik. The christening records only go up to 1851 but that should be enough. But his name might not have been Nyholm. There are a few farms with the word "Ny" in it. "Ny" in Swedish means "New" and "Holm" means a little island.
http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/5102q8?se+0589+kastetut
Ian
(from Sweden)
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Hi again,
This could be your Erik. The ship's name is very similar....
Surname: Karlsson
Birthdate: 1850
Birth place: Finland
Wage: 18
Sign on town: Härnösand
Sign off town: Adelaide
Sign on date: 1872 06 22
Sign off date: 1873 06 16
Position: Deckhand
Ship: Weidenhielm
Reason for sign off: R = Rymd = Escaped
There were 2 other men who jumped ship with this Eric, also from Finland.....
Axel Wik
Johan Karlsson Forsström
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..... and there is an Eric Carlsson born on 10 May 1850 in Nykarleby with father Carl Eriksson on the site I posted earlier.
Ian
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I found these digitized Adelaide Newspapers of the Weidenhjelm with years 1872-1873 with the same captain Nenzen....
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39299161
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39270101
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39295229
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39272648
Ian
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:)
There were 2 other men who jumped ship with this Eric, also from Finland.....
Axel Wik
Johan Karlsson Forsström
By jove I think you have cracked it with this last bit jamcat95!
I have a b/w photograph of EriK with wife and children standing at the graveside of
Johann FORSTROM
I couldn't work out the connection but this seems very highly to be it...jumped ship together and were friends.
Thank you for your efforts everyone.
I have been missing in the 'battle' for a time due to health issues but am very grateful for being blessed by such wonderful ppl assisting in tracking down answers.
I shall find my notes on Forstrom's death cert that I tracked down years ago to see if he was perhaps related to Erik ,refresh myself in the matter and when able to, work out what to do from this point.
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Hi again,
This could be your Erik. The ship's name is very similar....
Surname: Karlsson
Birthdate: 1850
Birth place: Finland
Wage: 18
Sign on town: Härnösand
Sign off town: Adelaide
Sign on date: 1872 06 22
Sign off date: 1873 06 16
Position: Deckhand
Ship: Weidenhielm
Reason for sign off: R = Rymd = Escaped
There were 2 other men who jumped ship with this Eric, also from Finland.....
Axel Wik
Johan Karlsson Forsström
I don't want to threadjack, but jamcat where is this info from? I also have a Russian Fin ship deserter and whilst I have found a bit about him whilst in SA, I can't find where he was from.
(see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=585803.0 )
I did find some great info in the South Australia Police Gazette but I can't find where I found it now!
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Hi ezekiel
Nice to hear that it could be him. Lets hope that Carl Eriksson is his father.
Here is the image of Johan Forström.....
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Just found the English version of Nykarleby Parish records.......
http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/50xxtr?en+0589+kastetut
Ian
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I had a wee look for a Johan Eriksson in Nykarleby and found 2 Johans and 1 Johannes from the same village Socklot as Eric. Hopefully the dates of birth coincide with the death of Johann.
Ian
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:)
There were 2 other men who jumped ship with this Eric, also from Finland.....
Axel Wik
Johan Karlsson Forsström
I shall find my notes on Forstrom's death cert that I tracked down years ago to see if he was perhaps related to Erik ,refresh myself in the matter and when able to, work out what to do from this point.
Hi Ezekiel
Did you find the death certificate of Johan Forstrom ?
Ian
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..... and there is an Eric Carlsson born on 10 May 1850 in Nykarleby with father Carl Eriksson on the site I posted earlier.
Ian
I'm wondering where this information came from. I found an Eric Carlsson born on 10 May 1850 but it shows he died on 12 May 1850. Attached image (hope I did that right)
This is my first post so hope I'm doing this right, but to put you in the picture Erik Nyholm was my paternal great grandfather.
Marlene
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I'm wondering where this information came from. I found an Eric Carlsson born on 10 May 1850 but it shows he died on 12 May 1850.
Hi Marlene,
I had a bit of re-capping to catch up there....
He was born 10 May 1850 and was christened 12 May 1850. I checked the records and found no death of a Carl Eriksson in that parish in 1850.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
Sorry about that. It was on a FamilySearch record which had those birth and baptism dates but it showed he died 12 Oct 1851 as on the snip I've attached. What do you think? On one of the certificates I have (his marriage I think), it shows his father was Karl but they didn't include mother's names on the records.
Another query I have is on the headstone it shows "Erik, from Monaby, 7/7/1850-22/12/1887 (H O Emma of Goodwood). Erected out of respect by a few friends, E Nyman, K Mattson, K Frilund, M Erikson, W Sundell, E Erikson & H Hendrikson". I haven't seen the headstone but this monumental inscription is recorded by Genealogy SA. I have heard that there is no such place as Monaby, is that correct?
The document from the ship "Weidenhielm" is great and it looks pretty certain that would be him and it is understandable that his accent would have let to the entries in the Adelaide Hospital records having different spelling.
My Erik does remain a bit of a puzzle ??? :-\
Marlene
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Hi Marlene,
I have looked again in the seaman's database and found 3 other men who jumped ship with Eric:
Carl August Åhman
Martin Richard Stiernström
Eric Höglund
Maybe names that are familiar.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
Those names don't seem familiar at all. I looked in SA BDMs but these fellows didn't appear there.
On the birth record in 1876 for Erik Nyholm's eldest daughter, Anna Emma (my grandmother), it shows her father as Augustin Nyholm and he was also the informant. His occupation was given as farmer at that time, although coppersmith is shown on the two hospital records for him in 1881 and 1884.
I'll just have to keep looking.
Marlene
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Hi Ian and Marlene,
Isaac Forstrom died 20th Nov 1885 aged23
Was a Labourer of Yorketown (Sth Australia)
Died of pleurisy, Emphysema & pericarditis at the Royal Adelaide Hospital
Informant was William Rossiter, Cabinetmaker of Adelaide
On the headstone (geographically no idea where it is except no record in West Tce cem) it reads,
Isak Forsstrom
Fran :Nykarleby
Fod : 6/3/1862
Dod den: 20/11/1885
It is going to be very slow going with me I am afraid, as the 'health issue' I mentioned to you Ian is actually PTSD...from a horrible incident over a year and a half ago which causes me to become a bit 'insular' at times...and has robbed me of the enthusiasm I once burned with in many areas . I do hope you'll understand as I'm very much wanting to regain 'my old self' and am doing it a bit at a time, as I can.
I shall plod along for now, and will hopefully be able to be of some use in the hunt re Erik :)
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Hi ezekiel,
Sorry to hear of your illness, sounds hard going.
This death of Isaac Forstrom, is it the same man that jumped ship with Eric, as his name was Johan Forström and the age is different.
Ian
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Hi Ian,
Just checking in before bed. I couldn't find an Isak Forsstrom arriving in SA on any ship's list . I haven't looked at the RAH records for him...but I should as it may give the ships name, as it did with Erik NYHOLM. I think it likely that this Isak and Johan are the same man...perhaps with a name change and age incorrectly noted somehow...and with Erik having his photo and that of his wife and children taken with the headstone seems to place great significance of some sort between the 2 men.
I shall see if I can do something re verifying it with records in the near future.
Thanks for understanding :)
Julie
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On the birth record in 1876 for Erik Nyholm's eldest daughter, Anna Emma (my grandmother), it shows her father as Augustin Nyholm and he was also the informant.
Hi Marlene
I don't understand what you mean here. Who was Augustin Nyholm if Eric was the father?
Ian
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Thanks both Ian and Julie,
Apologies for the confusion with Erik and Augustin (Anna Emma's father on her birth registration) - they are the same person. It does seem odd to me that Erik would have his name recorded on the registration as Augustin but I guess it adds to the confusion with different names being used as Julie also found it most likely with Isaac/Isak/Johan Forstrom.
Sorry you are still not well Julie but do wish you well in your recovery. I was in Adelaide this time last year but didn't get to spend as much time on research as I had hoped or get to West Terrace Cemetery to see Erik Nyholm's grave. Would love to get back there again but won't be this year.
I appreciate the efforts of everyone who has contributed on this topic and I'll keep trying to solve the mysteries.
Marlene
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A curve ball has come my way tonight as I made contact with a rellie interstate who I have just found via 'detective' work and his bit of news is that Erik may have changed his name...that Nyholm was not actually the name he was born under, but that it was 'RYSS'...but then it got changed again before he came out on the ship to 'RANK'...so he's listed on a ship under the name of 'RANK'...
Hi again,
These 2 words have done it.
Ryss - The village farm he was born.
Rank - His father's name.
I have found an Eric Carlsson born on Ryss Farm in Monå by (Monaby). His father's name was Carl Eriksson Rank and his mother's name was Greta Hansdotter.
The birth date of this Eric is 21 July 1850.....
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9027625
There was a mention on a Finnish forum of Karl Mattsson being a friend or cousin. There was a mention of Hansdotter being the mother of a Matts and Erik's mother had the same surname Hansdotter.....!
Ian
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That's great Ian,
I remember reading that thread with Ryss and Rank but didn't think too much about it because of the document showing the ship name as Weidenhielm which to me sounded so much like was in the Adelaide Hospital record.
So would it be right that his father's surname "Rank" is then dropped and he became Eric Carlsson? The birth being in "Monå by" does match the headstone inscription so that seems to make sense.
I'll have to chase up the Finnish forum for the mention of the possibility of Karl Mattsson and Erik being cousins and a mention of Hansdotter being the mother of a Matts and also Erik's mother's surname.
Would I be right in thinking that is the parents and their 3 children's entry? Is this a parish entry? Are the column headings Finnish or Swedish?
I'd be interested to hear Julie's thoughts but I reckon this sounds pretty much the right family even though on the headstone inscription it shows Erik was born 7 July 1850.
Thanks so much Ian for your digging.
Marlene
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These are in Swedish and are parish entries in Munsala, Monå village (Monå by - Monaby) of the Ericksson family.
Here is Erik's birth record: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9029923
Another parish record from 1860: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9028320
The first record I sent was from 1853.
Ian
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I am assuming that this is the family of Eric Nyholm.
This is the birth record of his father Carl Eriksson: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9029514
Note that "Rank" is the name of the farm he came from.
I have noticed on many records that the name of the farms on which they were born were used in their surnames.
Ian
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Here is a good explanation of how the Finnish naming system worked including farm names etc...
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Finland_Surnames
Ian
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Ian,
It is absolutely amazing what you have found - fantastic, and it all seems to make sense but I now need to sit quietly and go right through it all.
Just out of bed and thought I'd quickly check to see if there were any replies so got such a surprise to see the amount of research you have done for us. A 2nd cousin (granddaughter of Eric Edward, Erik NYHOLM snr's son) and her husband are arriving in town for a few days later today so need to get some chores done.
Thank you so much,
Marlene
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You're welcome...
I must say that this does look to be the right family, so I really hope it is....
1848 - Carl Eriksson Rank and Greta Hansdotter Ryss - Marriage: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9029742
1848 - Carl Eriksson census with brother at top and father at bottom: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9027651
Ian
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..... a rellie interstate who I have just found via 'detective' work and his bit of news is that Erik may have changed his name...that Nyholm was not actually the name he was born under, but that it was 'RYSS'...but then it got changed again before he came out on the ship to 'RANK'...so he's listed on a ship under the name of 'RANK'.
Hi Julie
Can you tell me where this info came from please.
Ian
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Greta Hansdotter - 1830 - Munsala : http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9026665
Greta Hansdotter - 1853 - Munsala. Greta's father at top and Greta's first husband Matts Johansson in the middle: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9027625
Karl Edward Mattsson and family - 1869 - Nykarleby: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=16592797
Ian
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This is all I can find for now.
This could be Johan Forsström:
This Johan was born 5 March 1862 in Nykarleby.
Johan Carlsson Forsström - 1862 - Birth - Nykarleby: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=8380371
Johan Carlsson Forsström - 1870 - Census - Nykarleby: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=16592997
Ian
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Been doing some digging:
Here is a police report Jan 20 1873 of a Forstrom and A. Wick being fined for being absent without leave on the Weidenhielm in 1873:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/93772558?searchTerm=weidenhjelm&searchLimits=
These were 2 of the men that jumped ship with Erik Nyholm later on in June.
A mention of E. Nyholm in the Bible Christian Church of Goodwood in Adelaide: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/42984904?searchTerm=nyholm%20jumped%20ship&searchLimits=l-state=South+Australia
An error in the newspaper corrected for Eric Nyholm in Adelaide hospital: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/94727249?searchTerm=nyholm%20jumped%20ship&searchLimits=l-state=South+Australia
A painting of the Weidenhielm: http://www.murberget.se/upptack/foremalspost.aspx?invnr=M11985&litt=-
Ian
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Hi Ian,
All I can say is WOW!! :) :D ;D :o 8) ::)
What you have posted gets even more amazing. Sorry I won't have time to keep looking more deeply at it all today or tomorrow as I'll be spending the time with my 2nd cousin and her husband.
I have looked in Trove for articles but obviously not as well as you have. It is such a great site. I did have a quick look at the links you showed in the last post but need to do more. The Weidenhielm was a beautiful ship.
Need now to look more closely at all of your recent finds.
Thank you so much for all you have done for us.
Catch you again as soon as I can,
Marlene
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No worries, I'll just keep digging.
Ian
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Hi again,
Couldn't help myself - had a better look at the Trove one on Bible Christian Church headed Rechabitism. Before my parents were married, my Mother was very much involved with the Independant Order of Rechabites (which I'm assuming was the name they carried on with after 1887) as were more of her family and her Mum's family. Don't know if this type of organised existed in Finland but Lodges were quite big in Australia it seems. Can't wait to mention this to a guest speaker we have coming for a family history seminar later in the month as her family were also involved with the Rechabites and she has looked more into it than I have.
Can't wait to get back to this ... but really must get organised.
Marlene
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Hi Marlene
I had never heard of the Rechabites. I have at least learnt something new this weekend...interesting.
I think I have exhausted all avenues on Trove. There are of course many births, deaths and marriages etc, but I think you have all them. But I did find his probate in the newspaper:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/46866666?searchTerm=%22eric%20nyholm%22&searchLimits=l-state=South+Australia
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I had seen that notice although hadn't seen most of the others you listed and I have a copy of the Probate file. I think Trove is such an asset for researchers and it is great that there are continually more newspapers being added. It is so good for South Australian papers.
I think the Rechabites originated in England but many people in Australia haven't heard of them. I mentioned the article to the 2nd cousin I have been spending time with and she said Karl Mattsson was also in the Lodge.
Marlene