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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cheshire => England => Cheshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Nimchimpsky on Wednesday 10 April 13 01:44 BST (UK)
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Hi All
Looking for help please with regards to:
Charles Twigg Yeomans Milward, born c1883 in Middlewich, Cheshire.
Christened 1883 in Nantwich, Cheshire.
Parents names - John & Ann
There seems to be no further records of him after the 1891 census (where his birth date is incorrectly as 1888).
I have 'located' a Charles Twigg Yeomans Milward to the USA where he appears to have married a Rosina A .......?
However, even with 'Charles Twigg Yeomans Milward' being a 'one off name', I have located a USA web site dedicated to the family of a Charles Twigg Yeomans Milward and it states that 'he' was born in Ipswich, England??? ... it also states that his wife, Rosina A was born in Ireland but I've found records that say she was born in Scotland?
Confused? ... yes, me too!
Any help would be much appreciated, thank you in advance.
Kind Regards
Nimchimpsky
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My advise would be to ignore the online tree, or to contact the owner and ask the source of their info.
If they come up with a genuine birth in Ipswich, only then is it worth taking any notice of.
Perhaps they got Middlewich and Ipswich confused! Both end in Wich!
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There seem to be 2 with similar names;
Looks like John/Ann had 2 Sons named Charles;
Birth Regs;
Charles Twigg Y Milward, June 1883, Nantwich
Charles Yeomans Milward, Sept 1887, Northwich
The 1883 one died;
Death Reg;
Charles Twigg Y Milward, Sept 1883, Nantwich, age 0
CHARLES YEOMANS Milward Christened 15 June 1887 Middlewich, Cheshire, to JOHN SAMUEL/ ANN TING (should be Twigg)
1881 Census John/Annie Milward are with her Parents in Newton, Cheshire
1901 Census Ann has remarried and they are in Sandbach as STEVENTON/MILLWOOD
John STEVENTON 1842 Tipton, Staffs
Ann Twyy Steventon 1857 Hurssitle, Staffs
Charles Yeonmans MILLWOOD 1888, Stepson
RG13/3352/60/5
Marriage Reg Sept 1898 Congleton, Ann Twigg MILWARD/John STEVENTON
Possible Death Reg under ANNIE Steventon 1937 age 67
Trish :)
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Hi
The 1891 census says that Charles was 3 years old on the day that the census was taken. He might have been 4 the next day. The census doesn't give a year of birth, its the people, computer programs that transcribe it, that turn it into a birth year so don't worry about that.
;)
Heather
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There is a US draft registration card dated 3 June 1913 for Charles Yeomans Milward born 28 May 1887 in Middlewich, Cheshire. The card says that he is married and works as a manager for Remington Typewriters. His address is given as 75 Pleasant? Avenue, Jamestown, NY.
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Later, there is a US Naturalization Record dated 26 August 1954 for Charles Yeomans Milward born 28 May 1887. His address by this time is 9165 Emperor Avenue, San Gabriel, California.
Charles Y Milward, born 28 May 1887, mother's maiden name Twigg, died in California on 14 December 1964 and was buried at Holy Sepulcher, Orange with his wife Rosina A. (1884-1966):
www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=37520038
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1912 Marriage to Rosina on F/S has Father as JOHN S, Mother ANN
(have added more to original posting of mine)
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Never ceases to amaze me just how great you folks are on this site.
Huge thanks to you all for every bit of information.
Trish - I had never even considered there was 'two of them', I thought it was an error with the recording of the census records, it all makes sense now. The parents given (upon marriage to Rosina) are correct too, John S was indeed John Samuel Milward ... thank you so much.
avm228 - The records you quote are along the lines of what I found but much more detailed, thank you. These records are what made me question myself over the 'USA faily site' that has CTYMilward down as being born in Ipswich? ... it's a pretty unique name and I'm now happy to ignore the details for CTYMilward on the USA site ... thank you so much too.
Thanks again for all info and advice, much appreciated folks, so kind.
Kind Regards
Nimchimpsky
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Ignoring the family tree you found sounds very wise :) Unfortunately many people put poorly-researched trees online and others can be tempted to take them at face value, often copying and republishing the errors!
A bit more on Rosina - she also applied (as Rosina Agnes Milward born 29 January 1884) for naturalization in California - record dated 26 Aug 1954, address the same as for Charles, namely 9165 Emperor Ave, San Gabriel, California.
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Thank you avm228 ... brilliant info, as always, and very much appreciated too.
Do any of the records for Rosina confirm her maiden name or whether she was from Ireland or Scotland? ... sorry, don't mean to appear to be rude but just wondered if there was any suggestion of her further details at all.
Many thanks again
Kind Regards
Nimchimpsky
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According to the Familysearch entry for the marriage, Rosina's maiden name was Grey and she was born in Scotland: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FCHD-S9S
The 1930 US census entry for the Milward family in Los Angeles shows Rosina A. as born in Scotland of a Scottish-born father and Northern Irish-born mother. Her immigration date 1910.
The 1925 NY state census entry for the Milward family in Tonawanda, Erie, NY shows Rosina A. as born in Scotland.
The 1920 US census entry for the Milward family in Jamestown, NY shows Rosina A. as born in Scotland (mother tongue Scotch) of parents who were both Scottish-born, but father had Scotch as mother tongue and mother had English as mother tongue. Her immigration date 1911.
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That's absolutely brilliant info, a million thanks avm228.
My research late last night (early this morning) suggested Rosina was from Scotland but 'that USA site' said she was from Ireland ... Grrrrr
Many thanks for ALL your information.
Kind Regards
Nimchimpsky
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You're welcome :)
Rosina is consistent about having been born in Scotland, but it would be worth looking for a Scottish birth/early censuses to be absolutely sure. Her age at marriage and in the censuses is consistent with a birth in abt 1889-1891. Oddly her gravestone, as you will have seen from the photo linked earlier in the thread, gives her year of birth as 1884 ???
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Thanks again avm228 ... I'm currently researching Rosina based on birth 1884-1891, born Scotland to John/Bridget (unless Bridget is/was a 2nd wife).
Kind Regards
Nimchimpsky
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Just remembered: the naturalization record gives Rosina's birthdate as 29 Jan 1884.
There is a mysterious Californian death index entry for a female "Milward A. Milward" born 29 Jan 1884 dying in Los Angeles on 7 Feb 1966. In case this is a mistaken index entry really intended to refer to Rosina A. Milward, it may be worth keeping a note of the mother's maiden name: Sweeney. The 1884-1966 dates do match Rosina's gravestone.
(Another oddity is that the death index gives the person's birthplace as South Carolina - can't explain that unless the entry actually says SC and the indexer has misinterpreted it).
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Very valuable info and very appreciated, thanks avm228 ... You've made this experience so much easier today.
Kind Regards
Nimchimpsky
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The Milward/Grey marriage record seems to confirm the maiden name of Rosina's mother Bridget as "Sweeney". The transcriber has had trouble with it but there's a link to the underlying document:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N321-PR1
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This may be a brother of Rosina's, also marrying in Detroit (note GRAY rather than GREY):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N3GK-P32
Added: his WWII draft registration card of 5 Jun 1917 (still in Detroit) says he was born in Glasgow on 10 May 1889.
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Much appreciated again avm228, many many thanks.
I had noticed the spelling of Grey/Gray in my search. Glasgow also appears to be the birthplace of Rosina (which rules out an Irish connection) ... but Rosina's extended family do have Irish roots.
You're a star avm228 ... sincere thanks.
Kind Regards
Nimchimpsky
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Find use of iPad virtually impossible so another try! My father John Alfred Milward born 1885 joined the army in 1899 mother Ann twigg Steventon listed as stepfather brother Charles at Wolverhampton orphanage and sister cissie with address unknown. I believe that Cecilia known as cissie in the family had gone to Australia she finally settled in Canada surname Barton. It cannot be a coincidence that her marriage to mr Steventon led to the break up of the family. Ann reverted to milward and lived most of her last years with my parents and died in Leeds Yorkshire in 1943 my father died in August 1944 hope this gets through and is useful. My father was always known as Fred and was in touch with Charles they even played chess by mail!
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Hello! I just came across this thread by typing my maternal grandparent's names into Google. I'm grateful to come across this research. CTYMilward and Rosina Grey who ended up in California and passed away in the 60's are my Mother's parents. They passed before I was born. It appears that this conversation is an old one, but if anyone is still on this page I'd like to say thank you!