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Title: Ellen Elizabeth M HOLDER
Post by: parkerwitton on Thursday 04 April 13 16:39 BST (UK)
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Name:   SAUNDERS,  Ellen Elizabeth
Registration district:   Salisbury
County:   Wiltshire
Year of registration:   1972
Quarter of registration:   Apr-May-Jun
Date of birth:   18 January 1881
Volume no:   7C
Page no:   2033
 Could anyone inform me if the above was born Ellen Elizabeth Holder b Somerset 1881 then married a William A Phillips 1902 and after William died married a Albert  E Saunders in 1918.
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 04 April 13 16:59 BST (UK)
Her birth registration is 1882 so would not fit with that death
Births June qtr 1882 
Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Chippenham    5a   61
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: DebGlaze on Thursday 04 April 13 17:00 BST (UK)
I found an Ellen Elizabeth M Holder b. Chippenham, Wilthshire in 1882

Certainly an Ellen Elizabeth M Holder married William Atherley Phillips in 1902, and an Ellen E M Phillips married an Albert E Saunders in 1918 but can't confirm whether its your Ellen, born in Somerset or this one born in Chippenham
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 04 April 13 17:06 BST (UK)
The only Somerset birth reg for Ellen Elizabeth Holder c1881 (with no middle initial M) is this one
September qtr 1881
Ellen Elizabeth Holder
Bedminster    5c   673

but that would not fit that death either.
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 04 April 13 17:19 BST (UK)
Are you sure that she married Albert Saunders.  (see next post)

I am only asking as there is a Admin for
Ellen Elizabeth Matilda Phillips in 1942 and one of the people mentioned is Mary Atherly Moyes wife of Thomas Philip Moyes.  (It looks as though Mary married in Canada if an Ancestry hint is to be believed)

Her birth maybe
 June qtr 1904 
PHILLIPS    Mary Atherley   
Pancras    1b   3
Mary Atherley Phillips was christened in Colerne in 1904
Father William Atherley Phillips
Mother Ellen Elizabeth Matilda

Ellen E M Holders christening
Ellen Elizabeth Matilda Holder
24 February 1882
Colerne, Wiltshire
Father William Holder
Mother Matilda

Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 04 April 13 17:32 BST (UK)
I have seen her marriage to Albert Saunders in Balham  ;)

Ellen Elizabeth Matilda Phillips - father William Edwin Miles Holder.

It looks as though she reverted to her previous married name.  :-\

Death September 1942 
Ellen E M Phillips age 60   
Newton A.    5b   195

Rosie 
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: parkerwitton on Thursday 04 April 13 19:58 BST (UK)
Thanks for the info my feelings that she reverted back to Phillips.
You mentioned a Mary Atherley Phillips b1904 Ellen's daughter.....after the 1911 census I could not find any trace of her....so I you suggesting she upped sticks and was married in Canada???
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: MaureeninNY on Thursday 04 April 13 21:24 BST (UK)
This looks like a first marriage for Mary:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMFZ-X6B

Maureen
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: parkerwitton on Thursday 04 April 13 22:34 BST (UK)
Thanks Maureen that is brilliant.....do you know if they had any children?
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: MaureeninNY on Thursday 04 April 13 23:05 BST (UK)
Sorry-no idea. The privacy laws in Canada are so strict!

She obviously married Mr Moyes prior to 1942 though, so there's a chance she had children with him.

Maureen
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: DebGlaze on Friday 05 April 13 09:07 BST (UK)
According to a family tree on Ancestry, there was also another daughter Ellaline Nancy Phillips, born in Tooting 1909.
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: parkerwitton on Friday 05 April 13 09:54 BST (UK)
Thanks for that Deb I do happen to know that...but finding hard to find a marriage or death on Ellaline.
Cheers
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: [Ray] on Saturday 06 April 13 15:30 BST (UK)
Hi

Ellaline m1928 Gravesend  ?    [ tried to keep this brief enough so as not to identify ]

Ray
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 06 April 13 16:31 BST (UK)
Could this be her death, I can't see any other birth registrations for a Ellaline Nancy in 1909  :-\
Can't see a marriage that matches though.

Ellaline Nancy Harper
Birth 23 December 1909
Registration October 1989
Age at Death 79
Reg district South Warwickshire
Vol 31 Page 452
Title: Re: Ellen Elizabeth M Holder
Post by: parkerwitton on Saturday 06 April 13 20:27 BST (UK)
Food for thought Rosie!!!