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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: hazel.bevis on Monday 01 April 13 21:41 BST (UK)
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Please could anyone see if they are able to locate a Frederick Harding in Camberwell b c1877. He is on the 1911 census aged 33 Army Musician, Royal Military College, Sandhurst. b Camberwell married to Kate Bond or Breakspear. I am having difficulty finding information on his whereabouts between his birth and 1911. I know that he was involved in the Boer War for part of that time.
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The only Frederick Harding b Camberwell on the 1881 was b 1861
His birth should have been registered in the Camberwell RD and there are 2 1877 births on freebmd but both have middle names
The birth for Frederick Henry can be ruled out as he died in the next qtr 1877 but no death for Frederick Walter
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Thanks Carole, Frederick may have a middle name and I am hoping to obtain further details from military records. The earlier birth doesn't quite tally with his age on the census. Do you have any other names or information linked to him?
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No - nothing. No baptism either.
I wonder if he was illegitimate. A copy of his marriage cert may show a fathers name
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Yes, that's possible. I have not done any research for a while so need to backtrack and look at my records. My original research linked him to Oxfordshire but I did not have a specific place of birth until I found it on the 1911 census at Sandhurst.
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Marriage July 1902 Farnham Surrey to Kate Breakspear. Vol 2a Page 229
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Thanks, I think that this was her second marriage and that her first marriage was to Bond from Oxfordshire.
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Thanks, I think that this was her second marriage and that her first marriage was to Bond from Oxfordshire.
I wouldn't be so sure. You have the 1911 census which gives her date and place of birth as about 1877 Aldershot. Her eldest child on the census, Ann Elizabeth, appears to have been born in Ash, Surrey c1903/1904.
1901 Ash, Surrey - Foracre Road, Ash
James BREAKSPEAR head mar 68 florist b.Woodstock Oxon
Ann wife 68 b.Overton Hants
Kate dau unm 24 b.Aldershot
Charles BOND grandchild 1 b.Leatherhead Surrey
RG12/608 folio 13 page 18
Charles BOND may well be a child of a sibling of Kate.
Casalguidi :)
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Thanks, Casalguidi. Yes, Ann Elizabeth is my grandmother who married from the College in Ashford. There was a reason why I thought that my great-grandmother, Kate Breakspear, had been married before but I would need to go back over my records. I have not done any research for a while and need to cross-match some archive research and replies to my requests.
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Do you have any idea when and/or where Frederick and/or Kate died or where they were last known to be living?
Casalguidi :)
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Ah, partly answered my own question here ;)
Kate HARDING (wife of Frederick HARDING so suggesting he was still alive then) of 128 Kingsnorth Rd, Ashford died 4 May 1951 Ashford Hospital. Probate to Reginald George HODGES draughtman and Sydney William SLINGSBY tobacconist.
No sign of a second name for Frederick still :-\
I was going to say perhaps they were buried together and that it might be worth checking for burials/monumental inscriptions and perhaps obituaries but I couldn't immediately see a death for him in the Ashford area :-\
Casalguidi :)
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Yes, my parents probably have this information and the certificates but I cannot contact them at present. I have a feeling that Frederick Harding died after the 2nd WW in Hastings, Sussex. I did not know some of this information so thank you. Sydney William Slingsby was my grandfather whom Ann Elizabeth Harding married.
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Yes, he died in Hastings :)
Frederick HARDING of 46 Edmund Rd, Hastings died 24 March 1955. Probate granted to Joseph Edward PAPPS warrant officer HM army who I take to be his son in law. His age in the death registers is given as 77 so being born March 1877 to March 1778 and consistent with his age (33 ie. born Apr 1877 to Apr 1878) in the 1911 census. Again, no sign of a second name.
Casalguidi :)
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Thanks for all your hard work. Yes, Uncle Jo (Papps) was his son in law.