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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: Irishseeker on Monday 01 April 13 04:24 BST (UK)
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Looking for family,Ballyragget keeps popping up.Unusual name Wedlock,but they were here in Kilkenny and in Cavan according to Griffiths, Rootsire, Irish Times, Applotement,1901 and 1911 census.But for the life of me I can not pin down the birth or marriage of William Wedlock b c1821 who is ?? said to be the son of John Wedlock and Mary Murphy.William married Elizabeth Smith b c1821.Imagine looking for Smith and Murphy in Ireland. ::)But surely Wedlock would stand out.And that's another thing,you search for Wedlock and most of the replies are "out of wedlock" surely not in Ireland!!!!Life is a bit of a strain sometimes.Any help out there in the ether? Forgot,William was a miner,John possibly farmer
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Hi
Not sure why this topic is entitled occupations ???
A little more to clarify the family being searched for:
Name: William WEDLOCK b abt 1821, a miner
Said to be son of: John WEDLOCK (farmer) & Mary MURPHY
Married: Elizabeth SMITH b abt 1821
Left Ireland for Scotland between abt 1848 and Jan 1851 (during Famine)
William died : 1882, New Monkland, Lanarkshire age 70, an accidental fall, (informant son Thomas)
His death Certifictate name only his father, John WEDLOCK Farmer, deceased. There is an RCE noted on the Death record though - was the correction to put in his mother's name?
Elizabeth died 1889, Airdrie. Father Thomas SMITH and mother Agnes SMITH ms not stated. Informant is again, son Thomas.
How does Ballyragget come into it? (a small town in County Kilkenny in Ireland. It is situated along the river Nore in the north of the county. It is located in the province of Leinster in the south-east of the island of Ireland),
I can only ever find reference to 'Ireland' - have you seen a reference to a more specific location?
Census 1851: Roughcraig Farm, New Monkland, Lanarkshire
William & Elizabeth 30, b Ireland.
Children: Margerete 13, Thomas 8, Esther 3, born Ireland and William 2 mths b New Monkland
Census 1861: New Monkland:
Will'm 40 & Elizabeth 42 with children: Thomas 18, Esther 12, (all b Ireland), Will'm 10, Richard 8, Mary Ann 4.
Census 1871: Crosshead, New Monkland
William & Elizabeth 50, b Ireland
Son: William 18, Plus 2 male Boarders by names of CARR and SHAW.
Census 1881: Burnside Cottage, New Monkland
William 66 & Elizabeth 63, b Ireland
In household of married son Thomas 37, b Ireland his wife Margaret 31, and children Joseph 11, Margaret 5, Thomas 2, Matthew 7 mths.
Of the 3 Irish born children - none left any Census 'message' to where they were born in Ireland.
Margaret died 1860 age 22 (Mrs James BAMRICK)
Thomas died 1895, Dalserf, age 52. His 1891 Census only said Ireland as pob.
Esther died 1867, age 19.
What was their religion?
(PS: I checked to see if there were any WEDLOCK births registered on SP in 1855, just in case - sadly, not that I could find)
Cheers
AMBLY
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Sorry Ambly, forgot to ask the basic query.Were there any mines of any description around Co. Kilkenny.The information you have garnered,I do have,and you are right, there is no indication as to where in Ireland they came from.But, Irish Times and Rootsire,Griffith's Valuation FMPire all show Wedlocks only in these 2 counties:Kilkenny and Cavan.It is John Wedlock who ??married Mary Murphy I am trying to find,and the birth and marriage of William.He was a coal miner in Scotland and so wonder if that was his occupation back home.ALL of my ancestors were Irish and miners,so it follows that there may very well have been mining in their counties.hope this is a little
clearer.Re births in 1855,Richard Wedlock my gGrandfather was born that year.Kilkenny Wedlocks were mainly RC while the Cavan ones were generally C of Ireland
Thanks
Irishseeker
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yes there was a large coalmining industry in castlecomer area which is approx 11km from ballyragget. :)
Sorry Ambly, forgot to ask the basic query.Were there any mines of any description around Co. Kilkenny.The information you have garnered,I do have,and you are right, there is no indication as to where in Ireland they came from.But, Irish Times and Rootsire,Griffith's Valuation FMPire all show Wedlocks only in these 2 counties:Kilkenny and Cavan.It is John Wedlock who ??married Mary Murphy I am trying to find,and the birth and marriage of William.He was a coal miner in Scotland and so wonder if that was his occupation back home.ALL of my ancestors were Irish and miners,so it follows that there may very well have been mining in their counties.hope this is a little
clearer.Re births in 1855,Richard Wedlock my gGrandfather was born that year.Kilkenny Wedlocks were mainly RC while the Cavan ones were generally C of Ireland
Thanks
Irishseeker
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Many thanks all Another clue in Ireland.Thanks "conahy calling" and "ambly"
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Many thanks all Another clue in Ireland.Thanks "conahy calling" and "ambly"
Hi irishseeker, I'm new to this site so not sure what I'm doing and not sure you will see this but could you possibly pm me, I'm pretty sure I have some info on the people you are tracing.
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You need to make two more posts before you can use the PM system, anything will do.
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Thanks.
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And thanks again lol
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rootsireland.ie have 2 Margaret Wedlock births 1834 in Co Kilkenny, 1839 in Co Cavan. It is now a subscription site not pay per view as before. The Kilkenny one does not appear to be in Ballyragget as you can look parish by parish.
ADDED: I didn't find any Thomases or Esthers.
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I have some of the records for the ballyragget wedocks, they actually changed the name to woodlock in more recent times I can get back to a James wedlock in early 1800s but wanted to get back further and research some that emigrated. I did a bit of research a few years ago but just loking into it again now.
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A very hard to read headstone in Donaghmore cemetery Ballyraggett; The best I can make out is
Mary Woodlock; 1917
husband-Richard; 1928
son;
Patrick; 1944
Richard; 1919
Michael; 1953
sister-Jane; 2949
sister??; 1953
John Woodlock; 21/3/1956
James Woodlock; 18/7/1929 (56) buried in Clane cemetery Kildare.
Sister Mary Benedict Woodlock; 1975??
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Jack
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William died : 1882, New Monkland, Lanarkshire age 70, an accidental fall, (informant son Thomas)
His death Certifictate name only his father, John WEDLOCK Farmer, deceased. There is an RCE noted on the Death record though - was the correction to put in his mother's name?
If you e-mail Scotlandspeople with the details, they'll tell you what the RCE says.
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I do have the Death and RCE re William. He fell off the Yett Bridge about 10-11 pm. Was he coming home from the mine? He was found the next day. I would love to know where the Bridge was;is. Can anyone help with this?. Thank you everyone for your input. I will be following all these hints.
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Try looking here for old OS maps [oldest around 1850].
http://www.nls.uk/maps/index.html
and georeferenced maps here
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/
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https://historicgraves.com/saint-john/kk-stjh-089/grave
link to grave in St Johns Kilkenny for a Mary Woodlock
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A very hard to read headstone in Donaghmore cemetery Ballyraggett...........
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Mary Woodlock; 1917
husband-Richard; 1928
Mary Woodlock - 28th March 1917 at Ballyragget.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05221/4445100.pdf
Richard Woodlock - 7th January 1928 at Ballyragget.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1928/04961/4350424.pdf
Ballyragget townland
https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/fassadinin/donaghmore/ballyragget/ballyragget/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4762942#map=13/52.7951/-7.2721
KG
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A very hard to read headstone in Donaghmore cemetery Ballyraggett...........
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Mary Woodlock; 1917
husband-Richard; 1928
Mary Woodlock - 28th March 1917 at Ballyragget.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05221/4445100.pdf
Richard Woodlock - 7th January 1928 at Ballyragget.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1928/04961/4350424.pdf
Ballyragget townland
https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/fassadinin/donaghmore/ballyragget/ballyragget/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4762942#map=13/52.7951/-7.2721
KG
1911 census
Residents of a house 8 in Bridge Street (Ballyragget, Kilkenny).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Ballyragget/Bridge_Street/564825/
.....and in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Ballyragget/Ballyragget/1447516/
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https://historicgraves.com/saint-john/kk-stjh-089/grave
link to grave in St Johns Kilkenny for a Mary Woodlock
Mary Woodlock, aged 60 years and the wife of a shopkeeper, died on 27th October 1890 at John Street, Kilkenny. The informant was her husband, Thomas J Woodlock. #58
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06088/4737154.pdf
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https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635361#page/159/mode/1up
The writing is not very clear but looks like
Matthew Wedlock marriage Dec 20th 1825 St. Johns Parish Kilkenny