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Title: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: bails on Sunday 31 March 13 06:22 BST (UK)
I have information that a Thomas Edgar White married a Helen Nellie Ratcliffe in 1934.

I'm trying to find out if this Thomas is my ancestor. My Thomas was born in 1910 (the same year as abovementioned Thomas) in Durham, England, and I believe my Thomas emigrated to NZ in 1926 onboard the SS Rotorua as part of the Flock House Sheepowners Scheme for Boys.

I cannot find any further information on Thomas in NZ to try and confirm that he is in fact my ancestor. My Thomas' parents were Thomas 'Edgar' White and Margaret Keady Brewis.

Any advice would be appreciated.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: spades on Sunday 31 March 13 06:34 BST (UK)
Hi Bails,

A Thomas Edgar White died in NZ on 4 May 1952 aged only 42, exactly matching the year of birth you provided.

Edited to add: The source for this information was NZ BDM online. https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/home/
The exact date of death was determined by narrowing the search parameters.

Spades
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: spades on Sunday 31 March 13 06:36 BST (UK)
His probate appears on the Archives New Zealand search portal, Archway. He was a roadman.

It's the only reference I could see.

http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22036732
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 31 March 13 06:39 BST (UK)
Hi,

There is an 1952 death for a Thomas Edgar White aged 42 at BDM.

Cheers
KHP

Oops, Sorry Spades, didn't see the first post of yours sneak in. ;D
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 31 March 13 06:45 BST (UK)
If, he is your chappie, then he is buried at Taruheru Cemetery, Gisborne.  There is a photo of the headstone.


 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0tac/


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: firefly74 on Sunday 31 March 13 06:45 BST (UK)
On 1935 the electoral roll for Bay of Plenty:

WHITE Thomas Edgar, Wairongomai Station, Ruatoria, shepherd
WHITE Helen, Wairongomai Station, Ruatoria, married

In 1938 Gisborne,
WHITE Thomas Edgar, Tahunga, shepherd
WHITE Helen, married

in 1946 Hawkes Bay
WHITE Thomas Edgar c/o E.H. White, Tahunga, shepherd
WHITE Helen, married

in 1949 Hawkes Bay
WHITE Thomas Edgar, Tahunga, shepherd
WHITE Helen, married

Cheers
Helen
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: spades on Sunday 31 March 13 06:53 BST (UK)
Thomas appears on this page, an alphabetical list of Flock House Boys. It provides the individual's origin, vessel they emigrated on, year, and draft number.
http://reocities.com/Heartland/Estates/8053/flock1.html

I think you can safely say that his wife was Helen RATCLIFFE!

Spades
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: spades on Sunday 31 March 13 07:03 BST (UK)
There is a family tree here which mentions Thomas and several children.
http://www.pyenet.co.nz/familytrees/pye-kelly/gp935.html#head2

Spades
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: bails on Sunday 31 March 13 08:14 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone for helping out. Amazing what you can find on the internet these days!

All the information is great; however, I still can't definitely find a link to say that this is my ancestor. I'm also a year out on being able to order their marriage certificate to determine the facts.

I think I might order his death certificate and see what that tells me.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 31 March 13 08:23 BST (UK)
Quote from: bails on Sunday 31 March 13 08:14 BST (UK)

I think I might order his death certificate and see what that tells me.

Cheers!

Hi,

It is cheaper to order the Death Printout, it will have more information on it.

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 31 March 13 08:26 BST (UK)
Hi Again,

Forgot to say, that it will be emailed to you .... so you don't need to walk a path to the mail box, ;D


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: bails on Monday 01 April 13 04:32 BST (UK)
Quote from: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 31 March 13 08:23 BST (UK)
Quote from: bails on Sunday 31 March 13 08:14 BST (UK)

I think I might order his death certificate and see what that tells me.

Cheers!

Hi,

It is cheaper to order the Death Printout, it will have more information on it.

Cheers
KHP

Hi KHP

I have never heard of the Death Printout. Do you buy it from the GRO website? Why does it have more info on it? Have I been wasting my time (and money) on certificates?

Thanks
Bails  :)
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Monday 01 April 13 04:48 BST (UK)
Hi Bails,

No, not from the GRO, but from the BDM website here in NZ.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0a93/

The reason it has more information is that it will be a copy of the original entry and won't have any transcription errors.

Hope this helps.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: bails on Monday 01 April 13 04:51 BST (UK)
Oh yeah! Thanks KHP, I forgot that Thomas died in NZ... duh. I have another Thomas White that I posted about (from Cornwall, England ) and got a bit confused about which one I was reading  ::)

I'll look into it.
Cheers
Bails
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Monday 01 April 13 04:55 BST (UK)
Quote from: bails on Monday 01 April 13 04:51 BST (UK)
Oh yeah! Thanks KHP, I forgot that Thomas died in NZ... duh. I have another Thomas White that I posted about (from Cornwall, England ) and got a bit confused about which one I was reading  ::)

I'll look into it.
Cheers
Bails

No worries :D  Hard sometimes to keep track of threads ;D

Wish you luck with the Printout.  Keep us posted :)

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: Margarette on Tuesday 02 April 13 00:13 BST (UK)
Hello Bails, my name is Margarette Stewart, 62, born in Gisborne, North Island, New Zealand.  My dad was Thomas Edgar White, born in Durham, England 1910.   All of what has been said in your research.  We have 7 in our family(*).   My gandmothers name was Margaret Keady Brewis.  :) 

Hope this helps. 

(*) Edit by Moderator: Margarette, welcome to Rootschat. ;D
I have removed the names of your siblings from this post as some are still living. RootsChat policy places a lot of emphasis of protection of personal privacy to avoid the risks of identity theft, spam, etc. and members are encouraged to use the Personal Message (PM) system to discuss living persons. You will need to make another two posts for your PM facility to become active.
Best wishes for your research. ;D
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Tuesday 02 April 13 00:28 BST (UK)
Hi Margarette,

Welcome to Rootschat. :)  I am sure bails will be pleased to hear from you.

It is a rule of Rootschat that we don't put the names of living on the board, to protect their privacy.

You will need to post twice more, a hello or one of the smilies above will do, then you will be able to use the PM (Personal Message) System with bails to exchange private information.

Cheers
KHP

Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: Margarette on Tuesday 02 April 13 00:49 BST (UK)
 :) Thanks, I will do that. 
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: bails on Sunday 07 April 13 06:29 BST (UK)
Thanks one and all for the information provided to help me in my search. You never know what (or who) may pop up, and I am pleased to say that Thomas' daughter has made contact and we've been swapping notes. I now know that he is from my family tree and I am delighted to have unearthed a living relative that I did not know existed!

Cheers
Bails  :)
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 07 April 13 07:15 BST (UK)
You are welcome :) 

All the best to the both of you.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: 7wonders on Wednesday 25 February 15 07:47 GMT (UK)
Quote from: bails on Sunday 07 April 13 06:29 BST (UK)
Thanks one and all for the information provided to help me in my search. You never know what (or who) may pop up, and I am pleased to say that Thomas' daughter has made contact and we've been swapping notes. I now know that he is from my family tree and I am delighted to have unearthed a living relative that I did not know existed!

Cheers
Bails  :)

Hi there just enquiring if a Brian harold White was his son passed away in gisbourne 1998
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: 7wonders on Wednesday 25 February 15 07:57 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Margarette on Tuesday 02 April 13 00:49 BST (UK)
:) Thanks, I will do that.

Hi Margarette just enquiring if your brother is Brian White
Title: Re: Thomas Edgar White m Helen Nellie Ratcliffe
Post by: MOZZA1963 on Sunday 13 March 16 01:51 GMT (UK)
Hi There Bails Im just putting together my mothers obituary unfortunately but just read this. She is the sister of Margaret.

This mirrors my Grandfather so yes it sounds very positive.