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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: yvon-3 on Thursday 28 March 13 16:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find out what happened to my 2 x Gt Grandmother. She was Elizabeth Sewell b.1810 in Narborough,Leicestershire . She married John Pole Nov 1835 when their only son Richard was also born . Elizabeth dosn't appear on any of the census. Her son Richard is on the 1841 census with his aunt and Uncle Alfred and Mary Clarke(nee Pole) in Thorpeacre. In 1851 Richard is with the Sewell family in Narborough. (This is his mother's brother William Sewell's family.)
I thought I had found her death in 1838 but when I got the certificate it turned out to be her mother-in-law, also called Elizabeth Pole maiden name Elizabeth Horobing.
Is there anyone out there researching the Sewell family or does anyone have any idea where to look next.
Thanks
Yvon-3
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Hi Yvon-3
You say Richard was their only son, and I do I see Richard's christening on Family Search, in Belgrave.
I also see the Christening of a Frederick POLE, Narborough on 10 July 1842, who was born 7 Jun 1839. Parents: John & Elizabeth POLE. This child lived past his birth and appears to be a sibling of Richard?
1851: Bridge Street, Huncote, Leicestershire
HO107/ Piece 2081 / Folio 345 / Pg4
Head: John SEWELL 38, P.W.K. Woolen, b Huncote
Wife: Sarah SEWELL 40, b Huncote
Son: Joseph SEWELL 12, P.W.K. Woolen, b Huncote
Dau: Harriot SEWELL 10, Scholar, b Huncote
Dau: Elizabeth SEWELL 8, Scholar, b Huncote
Son: Richard SEWELL 4, b Huncote
Dau: Ann SEWELL 2, b Huncote
Nephew: Frederick POLE 12, P.W.K. Woolen, b Belgrave, Leic.
Perhaps you have been aware of Frederick in the past, however? As someone with what appears to be your same first name has noted the transcript, 3 yrs ago?
I have a feeling this may be the lad in 1841, maybe Martha Snr is is gran? :
Mt Pleasant, Hamlet of Huncote, Parish of Narborough, Leicestershire
HO107/ Piece 602/ Book 13/Folio 5 /pg3
Martha SEWELL 60, Dress Maker - Y
Martha SEEWLL 20, D.M. - Y
Frederick POOL 3 - Y
(Note: the Mt Pleasant Address' come after those for Bridge Street)
Do you have any information on the father John POLE?
But from the above, presumably Elizabeth was alive on 7 Jun 1839 at least for Frederick's birth and may or may not have been deceased by Census 1841.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Was going to ask the same about John as there is also John Pole who marries Matilda Kenney 1836 which may have confused a few trees
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I think Elizabeth didn't die until she was an old woman! Her sons being with other relatives in the Census doesn't mean they lived at that address all the time (or if they did, that mother had given them up or abandonded them) as the Census is just a snapshot of a dwelling's human configuration on one night!
1861: Narborough Hall, Narborough, Leicestershire
RG 9/ Piece 2257/ Folio 77/ Page 10
The home of William ORTON, a Surgeon. Among his servants:
Servant: Elizabeth POLE 49, Mar, Cook, Dom Serv, b Huncote
1871: Narborough Hall, Narborough, Leicestershire
RG10/ Piece 3233 / Folio 78 / Pg11
The home of William ORTON, a Surgeon. Among his servants:
Servant: Elizabeth POLE 60, Mar, Cook Domestic Servant, b Huncote
Servant: Martha SEWELL 19, Housemaid Domestic Servant, b Huncote
1891: Narborough, Leicestershire
RG12 / Piece 2500 / Folio 63 / Pg19
Head: Elizabeth POLE 80, widow, living on own means, b Huncote
Next door:
Head: William SEWELL 83, wid, b Huncote
Wife: Mary SEWELL 81, b Narborough
DEATH: FreeBMD
Jan Qtr 1896, Blaby: Elizabeth POLE age 85
PROBATE:
Elizabeth POLE of Narborough, Leicestershire, widow, died 29th Dec 1895.
Probate Leicester 7th January 1896 to Richard POLE Storekeeper and Frederick POLE Shoemaker. Effects £63 13s.
A couple of Census gaps - looking for them now :D
Cheers
AMBLY
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Burial 1st Jan 1896 Narborough age 85
wondered if this could be her as pool
1841 Census
Thorpe, Little, Narborough
Blaby
HO107 piece 602 folio 12/20 page 6
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Just found this :
FindaGrave:
http://shrinkalink.com/62881
Elizabeth POLE, buried 1 Jan 1896, All Saints Churchyard, Narborough
YOB on this database is given as 1811. Lots of SEWELL's in same burial yard. There are 4 POOLs but not more POLEs.
That looks like a good possibility for 1841 Willsy ;D.... I can't get any lead on the 1881 though, can you?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Just looking but not having any luck :)
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It's might be worth looking at this site www.sole.org.uk my father in law uses it :)
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Hi in 1851, she looks to be the Elizabeth Pole 35 Unmarried b Huncote occ General Servant for Sarah Hunt Census Ref HO107/2081/350/15 No luck 1881 yet?!
Keyboard86
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Just found that one too Keyboard86 - I'd say that looks like her in 1851 at Back Street, Huncote (there are Bridge Street address' on the same Census Page)
For Ref the 1841 was : Elizabeth POOL 25, F.S. - Y
One of a number of Servants in the Household of the Cosby Vicarage, Narborough
Still not fishing her out of 1881 8)
Cheers
AMBLY
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There is this
Merchant Navy Seamen Records, 1835-1941
Name: John Poole
Event Type: Military Service
Event Year Range: 1845-1854
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birth Year: 1815
GS Film number: 1494293
Digital Folder Number: 004620603
as that census in Portsmouth keeps popping up, need Yvon-3 to help with John
trees have the brewer John 1881 in Leicester but I have a niggle he's not the right one..? John and Matilda's family
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Hard to say, isn't it ???
Can't see her in 1881 - and I've even wide searched for anyone born in Huncote of any age living anywhere in England. I keep finding her (presumed) brother, William SEWELL and his wife Mary (even on the wide wide search) who are still there but Elizabeth isn't with or near them.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi All. Thank you for all your effort. I think you may have cracked it.
I have a dim and distant memory of Frederick Pole from years ago but I think I dismissed him because I thought I had Elizabeths death as being 1838 which I now know was incorrect. I think you are right in him being Richards brother. So now to John Pole. The John Pole that was married to a Mitilda is not my John Pole. He was a brewer and beer seller ,he was also convicted of fighting assult and selling beer out of hours at various times.( News Paper records)
My John Pole I think spent a lot of time in and out of Prison for larcony and causing a riot. This is the Portsea and Portsmouth connection.Portsea was a prison.
I am still going through everything else in your posts so I will get back to you again tomorrow
Thanks again
Yvon-3
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Hi again everyone.
I have gone through all the replies from yesterday and I have confirmed all of what is in the posts except the Navy record. I don't think that is anything to do with my family. I also cannot find Elizabeth Pole or her husband on any 1881 census. I have been searching for John Pole in 1881 for years and have not found a thing. He was in prison in 1871 and in 1891 both in Portsea so I assume he was also in there in 1881. If John Pole was in prison it would explain why her 2 sons are living with relatives and she was working .
Thanks for all your help
Yvon-3
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Hi again everyone.
I have gone through all the replies from yesterday and I have confirmed all of what is in the posts except the Navy record. I don't think that is anything to do with my family. I also cannot find Elizabeth Pole or her husband on any 1881 census. I have been searching for John Pole in 1881 for years and have not found a thing. He was in prison in 1871 and in 1891 both in Portsea so I assume he was also in there in 1881. If John Pole was in prison it would explain why her 2 sons are living with relatives and she was working .
Thanks for all your help
Yvon-3
Sometimes prisoners were put on census forms only by initials , rather than full names , but no doubt you've gone down that route !
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Hi,
I have found Elizabeth Pole in 1881. She is with the same family the Ortons but they are in Wales . Martha Sewell is also there. Rhuddlan ,Flintshire. East Parade Plastirion Terrace. RG11 Piece 5528 Folio57 pg 9. I also think I may have found her husband in Portsea Prison but I think his age is listed wrong.it says age 56 when it should be 69 but it has him as a Pensioner . So this needs a little more work.
Thanks for your help. This is now complete.
Yvon-3
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Hi,
I have found Elizabeth Pole in 1881. She is with the same family the Ortons but they are in Wales . Martha Sewell is also there. Rhuddlan ,Flintshire. East Parade Plastirion Terrace. RG11 Piece 5528 Folio57 pg 9. I also think I may have found her husband in Portsea Prison but I think his age is listed wrong.it says age 56 when it should be 69 but it has him as a Pensioner . So this needs a little more work.
Thanks for your help. This is now complete.
Yvon-3
Hi well done it is RG11/5528/57/10 on my site, still would like to see the marriage though?
Keyboard86
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Well done on finding her in 1881 in Wales ;D ;D
"Pensioner" would indicate ex-soldier or ex-navy, I would say.
Do you know for sure the man in prison, is your John POLE though?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly
I am not 100% sure it is him. But the other John Pole of similar dates was married to Matilda. If it isn't him then where is he ? But I am as sure as I can be at the moment. I have spent 25 years tracing the Pole family. My Uncle also did a lot of work in the Leicester records.His research confirmed most of what I found out. But even he didn't know that his Grandfather Richard Pole had a brother called Frederick.
If anyone knows of another John Pole b around 1812 in or near Belgrave in Leicester I will gladly have a look.
Regards
Yvon-3
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It's a lifelong hobby, that's for sure ;D
I've got a few in mine that remain elusive too - revisit them every few years to see if I can't get another nudge ahead! Found a Census and an Irish marriage this year, that's taken abt 10-15 years to work out so there's always hope!
I guess Frederick POLE's's birth cert would be a good one to get - being at it's after the start of Civil Reg. and it might be interesting to see what it says for the father and the father's occupation), who informed of the birth, address, etc.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly
I am going to send for Frederick's birth cert after Easter. It would be very interesting to find out what is on it. It might shed a little more light on John Pole and see if he is listed as the father. I just wonder if he is the father of Frederick and not someone else. I will post the results on here when I get it.
Yvon-3
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Look forward to seeing what transpires ;D
Happy Easter!
Cheers
AMBLY - fresh from a Backyard Easter Egg Hunt - it's Sunday Downunder!
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Hi
I have just received the Birth cert for Frederick Pole. It was the correct one. It was transcribed wrongly on Family Search .org. It is as follows
Born 17th of June 1838. Frederick. Boy. Father John Pole. Mother Elizabeth Pole Formerly Sewell. Occ. of Father Framework Knitter.
So thanks everyone for all your help, another mystery cleared up. This is now complete.
Thanks
Yvon-3