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Another thought! Am trying to trace THRELFALL family in Lancashire in 1851, 1861, 1871.
JOHN H THRELFALL b.1852 North Meols (Southport?) Lancashire.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thankyou
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Hello Zebedee, (modified post as previous lookup posted on wrong stream ??? )
Here's John with his family in 1871 -
Old Mill Brow, North Meols
Richard H Threlfall 48 Head Mar Cab Driver Lancashire, North Meols
Miriam W '' 47 Wife Mar Dressmaker '' ''
Leah S '' 21 Daur Un Milliner '' ''
John H '' 19 Son Un Joiner '' ''
Ellen J '' 12 Daur Un Scholar '' ''
(RG10/ 38/73/ 106/ 4)
Sue :)
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Hi again,
Here they are in 1861 -
Threlfalls Buildings, North Meols
Richard Threlfall 38 Head Mar Silk Weaver Lancashire, North Meols
Miriam M '' 37 Wife Mar '' ''
Leah S '' 11 Daur Un Scholar '' ''
John H '' 9 Son '' '' ''
William R '' 7 Son '' '' ''
Ellen J '' 2 Daur '' ''
also next on census, looks as if it will be of interest to you -
Threlfall Buildings, North Meols
Bethnel Jackson 47 Head Mar Silk Weaver & warehouse Man North Meols
Mary '' 40 Wife Mar ''
Henry '' 12 Son Silk Weaver ''
Martha '' 9 Daur Scholar ''
John '' 8 Son '' ''
Nathan '' 6 Son '' ''
Thomas '' 4 Son '' ''
Ellen Threlfall 73 M-in-L Wid Proprietor of Houses ''
(RG9/ 2760/ 97/47)
Sue :)
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Sorry it took me a while to find this message:
1851 census:
Threlfall's Row 577/56:
Richard Threlfall. head. 28. Silk Weaver. N.Meols
Miriam Threlfall. wife. 29. Dressmaker. N.Meols
Leah S Threlfall. Dau. 11m. N.Meols
Here are a number of Threlfalls (all born North Meols) within a few houses, along with their folio numbers:
577/57 (next door)
John Threlfall. head. 62. Farmer
Ellen Threlfall. wife. 62
Martha Threlfall. dau. 25
Nathan Threlfall. son. 23
John Mawdesley. lodger. 21. Butcher
577/59 (3 doors away)
Thomas Threlfall. head. 32. silk weaver
Nancy Threlfall. wife. 35. Silk weaver
John Threlfall. son. 8. scholar
Henry Threlfall. son. 5. Scholar
William Threlfall. son. 2
576/52 (4 doors away)
John Threlfall. head. 36. Shopkeeper
Margaret Threlfall. wife. 29. Shop Assistant
John Threlfall. son. 5. Scholar
Ellen Threlfall. Dau. 1
Hope this helps a little. They all lived in the Marshside area of North Meols.
Let me know if you need anything else from the 51 census
Impy
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oh, and bethuel Jackson's family:
Bethuel Jackson. head. 37. Silk Mfrs Agent
Mary Jackson. wife. 30. Silk weaver
Henry Jackson. son. 2
all born North Meols
I have the Jackson extracts from St Cuthberts, if they might help.
Impy
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Thankyou so much for all of this. I will look at it closely tomorrow and try and pice it all together.#Many thanks!
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Hello, This is a shot in the dark. Some names you have mentioned could be in line with my family tree. I don;t know much about the Threlfall's of Southport.
My G aunt Doris married John Gregory Threlfall in Southport, Lancaster in 1938. He was 24 so that would make his birth year around 1914. His father was Henry Threlfall who was a decorator.
Looks like the Threlfalls lived at 23 Windsor Road in Southport.
Any relation or have you ever come accross any information.
Thanks
Tim Fisher
Ontario Canada
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Hi,
There's John G Threlfall registered as born April-Jun 1914, mother's maiden name Gregory.
other children born from 1912 (when maiden names started to appear on registrations) of the same couple are Eunice 1912 abd Henry 1916.
Henry Threlfall married Margaret Ellen Gregory in 1899, so clearly there are other children before 1912.
in 1901 Henry aged 26, House Painter, and Margaret E aged 24 were living at 54b Botanic Rd, Southport. Both were born in Southport.
In 1911 the couple were living at 17 Windsor Rd with daughter Doris aged 4. They had been married 12 years but list only one child born in this period.
Going further back, Henry appears in the 1891 census aged 16, a house painter, son of Henry and Elizabeth Threlfall:
Henry 45 house painter
Elizabeth 44
Nancy 21 Dressmaker
Robert 19 Painter Apprentice
Henry 16 Painter Apprentice
John 14 News Boy
Jane 12
Joseph 10
George 8
I don't have any of these in my tree, though I am connected to some Threlfalls. Taking these back with the censuses should be fairly easy, but let me know if you need any more help
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Wow that is amazing info, Thank you.
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No problem. I grew up in Southport, and my parents are still there (I'm now in Liverpool, 17 miles away). Botanic Rd is close to Churchtown, the location of St Cuthbert's Church, the original parish church of the entire area from north of Churchtown to Birkdale in the south until 1821, when Christ Church was built in the relatively new Southport (prior to this, the parich was made up of numerous small communities, the closest to central Southport being South Haws). Birkdale was in the parish, but was the only community that was officially a separate village until the two merged in the early 20thC.
Windsor Rd is close to Southport town centre, and runs up towards what used to be known as Little London.
You might find it interesting to use Google maps street view, especially for the Churchtown area, as this remains fairly unchanged over the last few hundred years and still has many thatched cottages. You will also be able to take a look at the parish church your ancestors used and the two Inns they will certainly have frequented.
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I've done a little more digging, to see if I could find a link to my tree (all the old North Meols families are related).
John Gregory Threlfall's 5xgreat grandparents were my 7xgreat grandparents, William Hodges & Anne Wright, their grand daughter, Anne Hodges, married John Threlfall (son of John) in 1783. This couple's son, John Threlfall, married Ellen Johnson. This couple were parents of Thomas Threlfall, who married Nancy Jackson, and Thomas & Nancy were parents of Henry, who married Elizabeth Gregson. This couple were parents of Henry, who married Ellen Gregory.
Going back to the early family. Ann Wright, who married Henry Hodges, was daughter of Henry Wright (1665-1722) and Elizabeth Oarme. Henry Wright was son of Richard Wright, born c1640.
I thought you might be interested in the earliest will of this branch:
Chr 1665 Henery Wright s. of Richard.
marriage 1688 Henery Wright Ellissabeth Oarme 3 Nov.
burial 1722 Henery Wright 14 March
Wills and Inventories now preserved in the Court of Probate at Chester
Henry Wright 4 April 1726 88682
In the name of God Amen the fifth day of March in the Year of our Lord god one Thousand Seaven Hundred and Twenty two I Henry Wright of South Hawes in North Meols Within the County of Lancaster fisherman being very weake & infirm of Body but of Sound and perfect memory praised be God do make and ordain this my Last will and Testament as followeth first I bequeath my Soul into the Hands of almighty>
god by whose merits I trust to be Saved and my Body to the Earth to be Decently entered at the Discration of my executors herein after named after which done it is my will & mind that my debts And funerall Expenses and Charges of the Probat of this my will be first paid & Deducted out of my whole personall Estate after which I Give and Dispose of the Remaining part of my said personall Effects which God hath Blessed me in this Life in this following manner & form
but first & most principally Whereas I stand Lawfully possed of a Smale Cottage and Tenent in South Hawes aforesaid which said Cottage I have Assigned over unto Certaine Trustees and hath Given granted and Assigned over the said Cottage unto Richard Wright my Son & heire with several proviso?e therein mentioned Now I do hereby will and Give and devise of the Remaining part of my said Goods & personalitys of what is over and above paying my said Debts in this manner & form as following First it is my will & mind & I doe Give & bequeath unto my Beloved wife Ellizabeth Wright my Cow and if it happen there be any overplush of said Goods overpaying my said Debts I do Give & bequeath ye same amongst four of my Children that is to say John Thomas Ellin & Dorathy Equall amongst the said four Children then it is my will and I do Give to my Son John two pounds I Give to William my Son Twenty Shillings To Henry my son I Give Twenty Shillings I Give to Thomas my youngst Son theirty Shillings I Give & bequeath to Dorathy my Daughter Twenty Shillings Item I give to Ann my daughter ye wife of William Hoges Tenn Shillings and I do give to her Three Children Tenn Shillings Equally amongst them Item I Give to Margaret my Daughter the wife of Peter Swift Tenn Shillings and I give also to her Three Children Tenn Shillings Equally amongst them Item I give to Elizabeth my wife Twenty Shillings a yea>
r dureing her Natural Life if she keeps her Selfe unmarried but in Case She happen to marrie againe then I will my Son Richard to pay her five Shillings & be aquitted But in case my said goods &... will not Reach to pay my said Debts and these Legacies afore mentioned to be Given as aforesaid then it is my will & mind that Richard my Son pay the Said Severall debts Legacies out of That Twenty pounds that I have Charged him to pay my said Cottage that I have already Assigned over to Richard my Son at the time or times that are therein mentioned for payment of the said Twenty in the assignment and it is my mind & will that Richard my Son pay the product of the said Twenty pound what is over paying the said Legacies Equally emoungst all my Said Children or as many Shall happen to be alive at the said time ...of payment in the said Assgment and Lastly I do nominate appoint & name Richard Wright & John Wright my sons my Sole Executors of this my Last will & Testament hoping they will See the same truely Executed as my trust in them is makeing void all other former wills or testaments by me here to fore made after witness whereof I the Said Henry Wright hath here unto set my hand & Seale the day & year above written Henery Wright (he signed)
Sealed Signed Published pronounsed & Declared this to be my Last will & testament in the presence us...
John Ball
John Boond
William Ball (all signed)
AD 1726...Richardus Wright de North Meals Executor in hoc testament nominatus...Richardus Wright...Johannis Wright
4 Apr...
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I can confirm the lineage - my Threlfalls start the same way, your Henry T b 1846 who married Elizabeth is the older brother of my ancestor William T b 1848, who married a Dorothy Rimmer. You'll find loads of related Threlfalls in the Southport area even now. The North Meols Family History forum are great for helping out, and probably half of them are related in one way or another, so many names - Jackson, Rimmer/Rymer, Johnson, Hodges, Hunt etc are linked. I believe the name goes back to somewhere near Goosnargh,