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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: mariac on Sunday 24 March 13 10:21 GMT (UK)
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Hi there,
I have a George Morgan Read who was baptised 25/12/1837 at St Mary Abbot Church Kensington to William and Grace Read. Williams occupation was a Wax Chandler. Other children I can find who appear to be born to this same couple (William and Grace and occupation Wax Chandler) are
Frances Emily Read 24/10/1832
William Read 6/4/1834
Elizabeth Read baptised 14/2/1836
Sarah Ellen Read 6/11/1840
Henry Read baptised 23/1/1843
Arabella Read baptised 28/3/1852 ?
I cannot find a marriage for William and Grace or the family in a census together.
George Morgan Read married in Barraboo Hills,Victoria Australia 3/6/1861 His marriage certificate has William Read and Grace Morgan as parents. I do not know when he arrived in Australia.
There is another family of Reads in Hayes Middlesex 1851 but this does not seem to be the family.
Any help with this family in England would be very much appreciated as I do not seem to be getting anywhere.
Kind regards
mariac
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Hi mariac
In 1861 Grace is a widow age 47 born in Kensington Middlesex ( RG9/345 f37 P21) living Newington
she is living with her son William age 27 bn Marylebone. Also there are her children Charles age 10 bn Hayes, Kent and Arabella age 8 bn Lambeth.
Rosie
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In 1871 Grace is living with her brother :)
Woodley, Berkshire
RG10/1289 f37 p8
William Wheelwright Widow age 74 Innkeeper Farmer bn Liverpool, Lancahire
Grace Read sister widow 57 bn Kensington, Middlesex
Arabella Read Niece 19 bn Kenington, Surrey
plus servants
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They seem to track back to the family in Hayes, why have you discounted them :)
Rosie
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Hi
Agree it all appears to tie into the 1851 family in Hayes:
1851: Yeading, Hayes, (Uxbridge) Middlesex
HO107 / Piece: 1697 / Folio: 520 / Pg33
Head: William READ 46 Inkeeper, b Hensbridge, Somerset
Wife: Grace READ 36, b Kensington, Middlesex
Dau: Eliz'th READ 14, b Kensington, Middlesex
Son: George READ 12, b Kensington, Middlesex
Dau: Sraha READ 9, b Kensington, Middlesex
Dau: Grace READ 2, b Hayes, Middlesex
Son: Charles READ 1 mth, b Hayes, Middlesex
Sister-in-Law: Honor MEARS 34, mar, Railway Servant, b Kensington, Middlesex
I suspect they have been discounted because William occupation is Innkeeper and on Charles Edmund's baptism the occupation is Licensed Victualler, not Wax Chandler. I would say he was both - not uncommon.
Cheers
AMBLY
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There is a marriage in Kensington 12 November 1831 between William Read & Grace Fussell. This would tie in with those Kensington baptisms.
ADDED It would not suprise me if George Morgan Read assumed that his mothers maiden name was Morgan. :-\
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Hi,
Honorah Fussell married William Mears 10/05/1840, Maidstone, Kent.
Sharon
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1861: ----nby Cottage, Cawley Bridge, Exeter St David, Devon
RG 9/ Piece 1397/ Folio 99/ Pg22
Head: William MEARS 48, Superintendant of B & L R Company, b South Lincolshire
Wife: Honorah MEARS 44, b Kensington, Middlesex
Father: James MEARS 72, wid, Stratford?? Lincoln,
Neice: Mary Grace READ 12, Scholar, b Hayes, Middlesex
Plus 1 servant
BAPTISM : Mary Grace READ bp Hayes 15 Apr 1849, to William & Grace, Licensed Victualler
In 1881: West End House, Mortlake, Richmond, Surrey
RG11- Piece 846/Folio 65/ Pg7
Head: Charles E READ , b Middlesex (age has been crossed out) (occupation crossed out)
Aunt: Sarah FUSSELL unm , age 74, b Southwark Middlesex.
Sister: Arabella READ 29, unm, b Kennington Surrey
Cheers
AMBLY
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Grace Fussell baptised on 25/12/1811 at St Mary Abbots Church, Kensington.
Parents Thomas & Mary Fussell.
Honor was baptised at the same church on 25/12/1816. Thomas' occ was Cooper.
Sharon
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Probably Williams christening from freereg
St Nicholas, Henstridge, Somerset
Birth 4 February 1803
Baptism 5 June 1803
William Read
Father Samuel occ Blacksmith
Mother Sarah
Notes
Son of Samuel of Salisbury.
Dau of James and Anne DUNN of ? DOR.
That rules out Morgan as Williams mother ;)
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Hi Rosie and Ambly,
Thank you for your replys. I have been debating this for weeks as to there being a connection between the 1851 census and my William and Grace.
The Charles E Read who is with Grace William and Arabella in the 1861 census was baptised in 1850 with parents William and Grace and occupation Lic. Victualler. In 1871 census Grace Reads brother is William Wheelwright which would mean that Grace's name would be Wheelwright??
I followed Honor Mears who is in the 1851 census with William and Grace Read and it appears that she is Honor Fussell who also had a sister Grace Fussell. I cannot see Graces baptism on ancestry as I do not have the world wide coverage.
The name Morgan appears to have followed through the line here in Australia.
It is very confusing.
Thank you both so much for your help
Kind regards
mariac
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Sorry I had not read all the replies when I posted my last one.
Thank you Sharon for the baptism of Grace Fussell.
I now have Thomas and Mary Fussell with children Honor, Henry Sarah and Grace. Thomas was a Cooper.
I did think Grace's mother maybe a Morgan but Thank you Rosie it deletes that thought.
mariac
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One way to be certain is to get the birth certificate of George Morgan Read's sister, Sarah Ellen Read. From the baptisms we know their parents were the same.
Sarah Ellen Read birth reg'd Dec.qtr.1840 Kensington - ref. 3 250.
It certainly sounds the same family to me - I would guess his change in occupation is what prompted the move the Hayes.
Annette
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In 1871 census Grace Reads brother is William Wheelwright which would mean that Grace's name would be Wheelwright??
Sometimes the relationship description on census is not completely accurate. Sister could mean sister in law so she could be related to William Wheelwright either through his wife or Grace's husbands William Read's siblings. It doesn't help though. ::)
Rosie
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Yes Annette I was convinced it was the same family then little bits and pieces seems to suggest otherwise. :)
Would the birth of Sarah Ellen Read have the mothers name on it?
Sarah Ellen Read is in the 1861 census working with Sarah Fussell who is a house keeper at the same address. and
In 1851 census Frances Emily Read is working with Sarah Fussell at a vicarage in Hayes.
Thank you Rosie. That could be an explanation. I will see if I can find William Wheelwright in earlier census.
I have tried to see if there is a death for William Read 1851-1861 but none appears to come up.
Appreciate all your help
mariac
mariac
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Yes, the birth certificate of Sarah Ellen Read would show her mothers name - plus her maiden name.
However, from what you last posted it does seem to confirm that Fussell was Grace's maiden name.
Annette
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I suspect that the 1841 census is missing for Notting Hill Place, Kensington, parts of Kensington are.
Rosie
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What a shame they are missing. It would be nice to have that one. :(
Seems like Sarah Ellens birth cert. may be the way to go.
Regards
mariac