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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: christine56 on Thursday 21 March 13 11:58 GMT (UK)
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The IGI records two christenings for Frances Ann Horobin
daughter of David and Mary Ellen Horobin (née Barber) as follows:
Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000
christened 07 June 1874
at St Michael, Macclesfield, Cheshire,
parents: David Horobin, Mary Ellen Horobin
Frances Ann Horoibon
England, Cheshire Non-conformist Records, 1671-1900
birth: 29 April 1874
baptism: 06 May 1874 at Church Street West Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Macclesfield, Cheshire
parents: David Horoibon, Mary Ellen Horoibon
Despite slightly different spelling of surname (Horobin / Horoibon), I suspect they are the same person. Can anyone enlighten me as to the possible reasons for two christenings?
Thank you.
Christine
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Hi
I notice that one was a Methodist Chapel and the other C of E. I wonder if her parents were different religions and that was the reason? It does look like the same person, bit of a coincidence otherwise with an unusual name.
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Francis Ann was definitely David Horobin's daughter - born just after he died.
So far, all "Macclesfield" Horobins were christened CofE at St. Michael's.
Mary Ellen was christened at St. Michael's.
David and Mary Ellen got married in Prestbury (also Anglican).
Her second marriage (to John Hadfield) was at St. Michael's.
Francis Ann kept the surname Horobin until she married Samuel Hill - yes you guessed – at St. Michael's.
Hmmm... a bit of a mystery.
Does anyone know anything about the methodists or non-conformists in the region?
Thanks
Christine
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FindMyPast has the images relating to these baptisms if you've access ;)
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Same date of birth on both - 29th April, so has to be the same child. Father was a booking clerk and they lived at 46 Chester Road.
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mshrmh, nope, I don't have FindMyPast so can't look. Does the image give any other information? It is unusual that she should be christened twice, isn't it? Maybe because her father had died just before she was born? Who knows...
Groom, Chester Road Macclesfield? That could fit - in 1861 David is living with his widowed father and siblings at 62 Chester Road. They were silk dyers and the family had a silk dying place at 130 Chester Road. In the 1871 census, David is a silk ??marciuous / marconous ?? man. Unfortunately, I can't decipher the writing or even think what it might mean.
Christine
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In 1871 at RG10/3674 Folio 125 Page 8
David is 20 and a Silk Warehouseman ;D
Carol
For info.... Macclesfield, Methodist Chapel (Free), Church Street West. Built in 1842, closed in 1960
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ahaaaaa.. now I can see "Warehouse man" too!
Thanks a mill... that has puzzled me for quite some time.
Christine
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hi i have seen 'doublings' on the IGI but this one you have is very different to the ones i have seen in the past.
if you can nip onto ancestry at the library perhaps and e mail yourself from yourself to yourself copies to have a more detailed look ?
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No worries, I have ancestry (world subscription ;-) as I don't live in the UK, but still I haven't found them there yet.
C
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hi i have seen 'doublings' on the IGI but this one you have is very different to the ones i have seen in the past.
if you can nip onto ancestry at the library perhaps and e mail yourself from yourself to yourself copies to have a more detailed look ?
They are on Find MY Past not Ancestry,but having seen both of the entries they do not explain why she was baptised twice in a month. Maybe one parent was a Methodist and the other C Of E ?
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I get what you mean, but David died shortly before Frances was born, so it would have to be her mother who converted. But that would mean she converted twice – from C of E to Methodist and then back to C of E. Seems unlikely but never say never. Smile.
C
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I'm wondering if one parent was Methodist - marriage would have been C of E to be legal IIRC at the time and may be she had Frances baptised in both churches to represent both parents. I see Mary Ellen re-married in 1877 at Prestbury (C of E) & their children seem to have been baptised C of E if I've read FamilySearch correctly. Do you know where David was buried in case that offers any clues?
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David was buried at Macclesfield. DC 1874 Q1 Macclesfield 8a 113. I don't think he was Methodist either....
C
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Can you tell me what IIRC is?
C
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Can you tell me what IIRC is?
C
Sorry - "if I recall correctly" IIRC is easier on my two fingered typing!
I can only think there was something that caused the double baptism - do you know what sort of funeral David had? Perhaps there was a notice or report in the local paper - I'm clutching at straws here. The Methodist was first, but then Mary Ellen seems to have reverted to C of E - perhaps they'd gone over to Methodism but there was some "falling out" that sent her back.
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Maybe the grandparents had a say here.....thinking as a grandma myself!
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I was just thinking that, Carol. It does seem odd as the two baptisms were within a month of each other.
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will be able to check my records for further clues on Tuesday. thanks for all your help so far, christine
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I have several families where children were baptised more than once. One family had their house registered as a meeting house of non-conformists. When they moved to town from the village, the children made a visit to the font at the CoE parish church. Additions to the family had both CofE and Methodist baptisms. I think the phrase "covering all bases" seems to fit.
One distant relative was baptised twice within a fortnight at the same church. A clergyman was visiting from abroad, and it seems some effort was made in order to give him "something to do".
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I'd suggest maybe one set of grandparents were Methodist and it was done to please them. Or the family could have been on hard times and were receiving charity from the Methodists? I know of people who were totally RC, but baptised children as Methodist because they received food and boots. Not in Cheshire, but something similar could occur?
I've just re-read and realised that her father died just before she was born. I could definitely see a newly widowed mother getting support from anyone who would give it!
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Hi everyone
Thank you Ashbrook and Andrew for also taking the time to reply. I will certainly investigate further - as it has now left me wondering whether her mother would have to be a methodist (or convert to the faith) to have her daughter christened methodist?
Regards
Christine