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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Kar.Ma on Wednesday 20 March 13 10:16 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I am fairly sure the above are my 2nd G Grandparents, William Walker born abt 1833 at Stepney, Middlesex, England and Brittania Walker born abt 1837 at Bethnal Green according to the 1871 Census they have a son Edward born abt 1862 at Poplar, Middlesex, (my G Grandfather) which is the only one I can find that's about right with Father's name and marriage certificate of Edward and Frances Milson. I am unable to find a marriage for Brittania and William, not on Ancestry and I have looked and looked, they are also in an 1881 census, is there any way I can find out a marriage for them ?
Thank you
Kind regards
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So you are saying that this marriage is definitely yours?
Marriages Sep 1884
Milson Frances West Ham 4a 48
Walker Edward W.Ham 4a 48
What info does the cert give,fathers name,his job,address they married from and the witnesses names. All would be needed to help us confirm that you are chasing the right parents ;D
Carol
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Hi, I am fairly sure the above are my 2nd G Grandparents,
William Walker born abt 1833 at Stepney, Middlesex, England and
Brittania Walker born abt 1837 at Bethnal Green
according to the 1871 Census they have a son
Edward born abt 1862 at Poplar, Middlesex, (my G Grandfather)
It would seem that both father and son have a middle name
William Benjamin Walker occ Cooper & Brittania
Abode Poplar
Baptisms St Dunstan & All Saints Stepney
Edward Thomas born 8 Aug 1861 bapt 20 Oct
William Edward born 7 Feb 1859 bapt 27 Feb 1859
Mary Jane born 22 Mar 1857 bapt 27 Feb 1859
Emma born 10 Sept Bapt 1 Oct 1865 abode 43 Park Street Poplar
William Benjamin born 17 Jul bapt 9 Aug 1868 “ “ “
Alice Eliza born 25 Sep bapt 23 Oct 1870 abode 24 William St Poplar
and it looks as if Edward married Eliza EVANS
Marriage (online An*y) 20 Sep 1885 St Paul
Edward THOMAS Walker 24 occ. Cooper
Father William BENJAMIN Walker occ Cooper
Eliza EVANS f Charles occ Cooper
Witnesses James Evans & Emma Walker
Baptism of
William Benjamin Walker 8 Dec 1837 St Dunstan & All Saints Stepney
Parents William occ Mariner & Jane
Doesn't appear to be online to view but here's his marriage
Dec 1855 Shoreditch vol 1c page 342
William Benjamin WALKER
Name on same page
Britannica DANIELS
Agree with Carol8353 need further details from the marriage certificate you have for
Edward Walker to Frances Milson to confirm if you have the right family on the census
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Hi Sorry if I missed any info out, here are the details from the marriage certificate, here they are in the Parish Church West Ham.
Date : 3 Aug 1884
Names : Edward Walker age 21 Bachelor Occ: Labourer, Residence at time of marriage : West Ham
Father's Name : William Walker deceased. Occ: Labourer.
Name: Frances Milson age 17 Spinster, no occ, Residence : West Ham
Father's Name : William Milson. Occ: labourer
Witnesses : william Milson, Elizabeth Garten (very faint on the surname there)
That's definitely him, have census's with him and my Grandfather on, also my Grandfather's birth certificate.
Thank you, hope that makes it clearer, I have been searching for ages and I must be doing something wrong as I am not finding them, was almost certain William and brittania were them, but I may be wrong, esp if Edward marries Eliza Evans (as my Edward was married to Frances Milson).
kind regards and thank you so much for taking the time to help (I didn't know my Dad, so have had to start from the very beginning, with the information I have)
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So you are saying that this marriage is definitely yours?
Marriages Sep 1884
Milson Frances West Ham 4a 48
Walker Edward W.Ham 4a 48
What info does the cert give,fathers name,his job,address they married from and the witnesses names.
All would be needed to help us confirm that you are chasing the right parents ;D
details of the marriage have been given to Kar.Ma on another thread
All Saints, West Ham
3rd August, 1884
Edward Walker,21,bachelor,labourer, father William Walker,labourer,deceased
Frances Milson,19,spinster,father William Milson, labourer
both of the parish and by banns
witnesses William Milson Elizabeth Godsen
For info. here’s the link to that thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,637741.msg4849514.html#msg4849514
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I have the marriage certificate of Edward, am trying to find his parents. Sorry for being a pain. Thank you
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1851 Census she is under Brittannia Daniels born c 1832 B Green, Middlesex.
With Mother ANN c 1797 and Siblings
1841 under Baittainna Daniels 1832, Parents Samuel/Ann c 1791/1801
HO107/691/6/Bethnal Green
Trish :)
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If William was a Cooper ( a trained occupation) on the 1871 and 81 censuses,I cannot see him being the same chap as the father on Edward's marriage cert where he is described as a deceased labourer.
If people were illegitimate they often invented a fathers name and said that he was deceased on their marriage cert.
Carol
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Ok thank you, It's looking like I'm wrong, as my edward Walker was born abt 1863 and his father was a Labourer (there is an Edward Walker born in West Ham in the last 1/4 Oct-Nov-Dec 1862, in West Ham, I can't see any others here on Ancestry that 'fit' (my Father, his Father and Edward at his marriage and all other relations on my Father's mother's side have all been placed in the East End, mainly West Ham, I am getting confused with all this Middlesex, Essex malarky, I haven't been far out as Stepney,Poplar and Bethnal Green are in the East, I may have to purchase another certificate. I have had very little info to go on, it's all been certificates so far. Thank you, again so sorry for being a pain :(
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Have you found Edward and Frances on each of the later censuses after their marriage?
Sometimes you are very lucky and find an elderly parent or sibling staying with them!
I wonder if there's a clue to anyone on his side of the family in the names he gave his children?
Can anyone find that Elizabeth Godsen (witness) on the 81 census?
Carol
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I have Edward and Francis (Fanny Walker) in 1901, they are living at 11 Gibbins Road, West Ham, Essex, England
Edward : Age: 40; Relation: Head; Occupation :Barge Labourer
And Edward and Francis Walker 1911, living at 22 Cullum Street, West Ham, Essex, England
Edward's Age in 1911: 47; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head: Head; Occupation : Labourer for Railway Company
Children: Alfred Walker b 1887 – (my Grandfather)
Edward b 1884
John 1894
George 1896
Enoch 1905
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Looks like someone is researching your grandfather's brother John (on-line tree).
Jennifer
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St Paul Shadwell 19/1/1866 Bapt.
Frances Milson born 28/12/1865 - Parents William & Elizabeth occ. Bone Cutter add. 13 Three Cup Alley.
Jennifer
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Thank you for that Jennifer, very grateful, Someone is researching lol, but mine has been gained the hard way, I think they may be as stuck as I am, still cannot place Edward's parents, as I said there is a Birth for an Edward in West Ham around the same time he would have been born, I can see no other way to getting me beyond Edward and Frances, I have been looking on and off for weeks.
On my Mum's side there are loads of people researching our tree, have been in touch with a few and they all have a definite link, but on this side...nothing, apart from one other person, what a lazy lot, leaving me no Tree Trails lol ;D
Thank you Again, everyone for your help.
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So we have Edward and Frances (Fanny) in 1901 and 1911,but nothing for definite before that?
I've been searching for them in 1891 for ages today,but had no luck.
Do you have your grandad's 1887 birth cert,if so what address are the family at then and what does it give for dad's job?
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I wonder if this maybe a possibility for your Edward born c1863 on 1871 census
named as Edwin his father's name is William and his occupation is General Labourer
1871 census Piece:1623 folio:84 page 5
Living 27 New Street Stratford West Ham
William Walker (1821) Dagenham Essex occ General Labourer
Mary (1822) Navestock Essex
Alfred (1856) Stratford Essex occ Factory Boy
John (1861) pob dittoed
EDWIN (1864) pob dittoed
1861 census Piece:1059 Folio:13 Page 40
Living 5 Duckham Cottages
Wm Walker (1824) Dagenham Essex occ Dock Labourer
Mary Ann (1825) Navestock Essex
Willm (1854) West Ham Plaistow Essex
Alfred (1856) pob dittoed
John (1861) pob dittoed
will see if I can follow William
Mmm... had no luck finding William pob Dagenham on 1851 census ???
I've been searching for them in 1891 for ages today,but had no luck.
I can't find Edward, Fanny, Alfred & Edward Walker either on 1891 census ???
Father Edward's pob Canning Town Essex & Bow London - not making it easy ???
I'm wondering if this his him on 1881 census
Edward Walker Lodger b1863 London Middx occ Labourer
1881 census https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3LT-PN7I see what you mean pob
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Thanks so much everyone, have been trying, but I'm not finding them ...
have got the birth certificate of my Grandad. Alfred Walker
Registration District: Stratford, West Ham, Essex
Date : 4 Sept 1887
Address Born : 26 Livingstone Road
Name : Alfred
Father's Name : Edward Walker
Occ of father : Waterside Labourer
Mother's Name : Frances Walker, formerly Milson (looks a little odd at the end could be an m ...possibly)
Signature, description and address of informant : Frances Walker, Mother, High Street, Stratford
On: 28 Now 1887
Hope that helps ??? Thank you
Ladyhawk will check those details, it's a possibility :)
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Address Born : 26 Livingstone Road
Name : Alfred
Father's Name : Edward Walker
Occ of father : Waterside Labourer
I don't have access to FindMyPast but that address is showing for the 1891 census
Schedule 211 House No. 26 Street Livingstone Road Parish West Ham
hopefully someone may be able to have a look to see if the Walker family are still living there
I've checked again and I'm not finding them on An*y perhaps there are missing pages for West Ham ???
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I'm thinking along those lines also... 2 WW's could be missing details, hopefully someone will look up on FindMyPast ??? Please ??? I'll willingly look up any details wanted in return on Anc.co.uk/com
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No Luck with number 26 Livingstone Road West Ham in 1891.
4 families living there,the Fletchers,Bundy,Ringrose and George.
Yes I wondered about the Edward Walker lodger in 1881 too Ladyhawk.
Carol