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Morning!
I am doing some research for someone and would like some advice on obtaining a birth certificate for a Sarah BINKS.
NSW BDM is showing 3 dates for this lady for the same parents - Father (Sydney) & Mother (Grace) - of 1848/1849/1850. All have separate reference numbers.
Any advice on which to order? Only her death certificate is showing place of birth as Paterson NSW - all of her other documents showing Cardiff Wales. I know about her marriages (2) and her children's births - just not her origins.
Thanks MC
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Just posting this for reference if anyone needs it
NSW bmd
V18492937 39A/1849 BINKS SARAH SYDNEY GRACE
V1848594 67/1848 BINKS SARAH SYDNEY GRACE
V1850416 141/1850 BINKS SARAH SYDNEY GRACE
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Her parents married in NSW so i dont think Sarah would have been born in Wales.
V18362885 74A/1836 BINKS SYDNEY LEE GRACE JB
V1836174 75/1836 BINKS SYDNEY LEE GRACE JB
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Index to 1841 Census
BINKS Sydney
Black Wattle Swamp, Parish Petersham, County Cumberland, District Sydney
Convict index
BINKS Sydney Ship Eliza 1829 36/0124 7 Mar 1836 Certificate of Freedom [4/4332; Reel 996]
BINKS Sydney Ship Eliza 1829 34/543 Ticket of Leave [4/4094; Reel 921]District: Bathurst; Tried: Limerick CM
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Possible arrival of Grace
Index to Miscellaneous Immigrants
Ship James Pattison
LEE Grace
age 24
11/02/1836
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Hopefully JM will see this thread, as she probably can give you the best advice re those Index references, MC. :)
As for Sydney Binks, there's a couple of references to him on Trove, including the following about his death and inquest....
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12915261
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12915351
Dee :)
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Sydney Binks
Details
Alias: Irish Rebel: Religion: Protestant Age on arrival: 19
Marital status: Single
Calling/trade: Soldier ploughman shearer
Born: 1810 Native place: Leicestershire England
Tried: 1828 Limerick Court Martial Sentence: 7 Former convictions:
Ship: Eliza II (2) [1829]
Crime: Desertion
http://members.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/cgi-bin/irish/irish.cgi?requestType=Search2&id=802
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Thank you.
Yes from the Trove accounts - Sydney's death and the way it came about was not very nice.
And I did wonder about the welfare of the children. There was a coroners inquest as well I found.
Maybe the Wales came from New South Wales? ::) On a few of Sarah's documents she did not name her mother.
MC
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Hi MC,
These are all baptism entries from church registers, not birth certificates. Civil registration of births did not start until 1856. The only extra info that you will likely find is a father's occupation and place of residence. Here is an example of a baptism transcription from Marilyn Rowan's website:
http://www.transcriptions.com.au/images/ebirth.pdf
V1848594 67/1848 BINKS SARAH SYDNEY GRACE
Volume 67 is for Roman Catholic baptisms which took place in 1850. The register likely gives a birth year for the child of 1848. Was Sarah taken into a Catholic orphanage after the death of her father? This would probably explain the baptism and the guess of a birth year.
V1850416 141/1850 BINKS SARAH SYDNEY GRACE
The high volume numbers after volume 123 are usually Roman Catholic registers. These cannot be viewed on microfilm but must be ordered through the registry or a transcription agent. I believe this would be for the same baptism as above. I don't know if one would contain more info than the other, such as sponsor's names, but I would be more inclined to get the second one.
V18492937 39A/1849 BINKS SARAH SYDNEY GRACE
Volume 39 is for Church of England baptisms which took place in 1853. The "A" indicates that this entry is from the index which is sometimes found in the beginning of a register. The event is indexed under her year of birth and here is the corresponding entry on FamilySearch
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTCL-PBW
Not sure what is going on here. Perhaps she went to another family or back to her mother who had her baptised again.
Clear as mud?
Debra :)
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Thank you for that information Debra
I did reply a while ago - but when I spell checked my loong reply the forum locked up, and it all got
lost in cyber space somewhere..so here we go again!
There are 4 poss children from Sydney and Grace BINKS - 1837 - Louisa (again 3 registrations - same
year though); George 1840; Elizabeth 1846 and Sarah.
Interestingly Sarah with her first marriage to Henry MORGAN (1874), had her father's occupation as "soldier", name as Sydney, and no name for her mother. Henry appears to have deserted her (she placed ads in the SMH in Feb 1881 stating her intention to remarry if he did not reappear). She remarried Thomas TOBIN in Apr 1881, and her father's occupation is now "surgeon", his name is George Sydney PINKS, and her mother's name Frances ....... On her death certificate, her father's name is BINKS, occupation "soldier", and mother's name Grace (surname not stated).
Both her husbands were mariners. The only document that states place of birth as Paterson NSW is her death cert - all others say Cardiff Wales. Her age varies slightly too. She was married in C o E churches/Presbyterian.
MC
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There is a Cardiff in New South Wales, near Newcastle, about 100Kms north of Sydney.
Could it be possible that the information about Wales was simply a shortening of New South Wales?
Just a thought
A Chesters
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Thank you ;D
Good point. I'm not up on NSW geography, actually geography full stop - so you input is
appreciated - thank you :)
Certainly kept me searching on the UK BDMs for a long time tho' - especially as I thought her father was George!
I am actually researching the TOBIN line - but got stuck in Nova Scotia - so thought hers would be easier - oh how so wrong lol
MC
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Hi
On New Family search https://familysearch.org/
Sarah Binks born 20 Dec 1849 christened 02 Jan 1853 St Lawrence Sydney f Sydney m Grace
Muss
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Hi
Also on New Family search George b 10 Jul 1840 Christened 02 Aug 1840 st James Sydney
F Sydney m Grace.
Elizabeth 17 Jan 1846 St James f Sydney m Grace Lee
Lousia 4 Feb 1838
Muss
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HI
You may already have this http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13337970?searchTerm=sarah bink&searchLimits=l-decade=187
Muss
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Thanks Muss
I hadn't see that one. However in light of what I found last night, doesn't surprise me.
A Sarah Binks, was in the Sydney Benevolent Asylum - looks like she had 2 children there - Mary Alice and George Andrew. This is confirmed in the NSW BDMs. The female baby did not live.
http://www.sydneybenevolentasylum.com/index.php?page=search-index
MC
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Hi,
I was in at my Family History rooms today and they hold the NSW Baptism records on microfilm, I had a quick look for the baptism's for Sarah Binks and found 2 registrations.
Roman Catholic, Parish of St James, County of Cumberland.
No 594,
Christian name: Sarah
Parents: Sydney Binks & Grace Lee.
Abode: Castlereigh St.
Age: 18 months.
When baptised: 7th April 1850.
Parish of St Lawrence, Sydney, County of Cumberland.
No 2287
Child's Christian name: Sarah.
Parents Christian name: Sydney (dec'd) & Grace.
Parents surname: Binks
Baptised: 2nd Jamuary 1853
Born: 20th December 1849.
Abode: Castlereigh St.
Profession: Labourer.
Marriage
NSW Presbyterian Marriage Solenmized in the Parish of St Andrews Scots Church, County of Cumberland in the year 1836.
Presbyterian Church of Scotland.
Thr Reverend John McGarvie of Sydney. Minister of St Andrews Church do certify that
Sydney Binks, bach'r of Sydney, labourer and Grace Lee, spinster of Sydney were joined in wedlock by me on third day of October 1836 at Sydney after Banns in the presence of William Green and Mary Shuttleworth.
both signed with their X mark.
Signed
John McGarvie
Some info on John McGarvie
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/mcgarvie-john-2399
Regards
Gerry