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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: charles w on Sunday 17 March 13 20:44 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for the above peoples records. I am lead to believe that Mary was Established Church (Church of Ireland) and they had a daughter named Rachel born cir 1870.
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There's a Rachel McGivern married a John Doyle in 1894. This may be them in 1901, I wonder if the Boarder called 'Magertion' is really just a bad attempt at 'McGivern' (have a look at the actual form)?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Falls_Ward/Waterford_Street/981701/
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There's a Rachel McGivern married a John Doyle in 1894. This may be them in 1901, I wonder if the Boarder called 'Magertion' is really just a bad attempt at 'McGivern' (have a look at the actual form)?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Falls_Ward/Waterford_Street/981701/
Yes. the lady was my grand mum and I have not been able to get any information to her birth. The name Magertion, to me, was a mistake. Patrick may of had been Catholic. He was recorded as being an ex soldier. The census, I believe, should of read, Mary Mc Givern who was my great grand mum. She passed in 1908.
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I think you forgot to post your reply :-\
Another thread looking for the same person?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,576539.0.html
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I think you forgot to post your reply :-\
Another thread looking for the same person?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,576539.0.html
This is what I wanted to ask. Is it possible to search at the G.R.O. for a marriage with only the name of the male only and the first name of the wife?
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There are ways to find a couple using a combination of indexes- what information do you have so far?
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Assuming it is the marriage of Patrick McGivern and Mary ? that you are looking for I may have solved the mystery (or at least part of it).
It seems as though the records already located are-
1) Rachel's marriage in 1894 listing father as Patrick McGivern, ex-soldier
2) 1901 census with Rachel age 30 born Co.Down and her mother Mary listed as Magertion, age 60, born Co.Down, Church of Ireland, married.
Thinking the spelling of the surname was causing problems finding a marriage record, I searched for McGivern, McGovern, Magowan, McG*, etc. Not finding anything even close (anywhere in Ireland) I then decided to search for Rachel's birth (c1871 Co.Down with parents Patrick & Mary)- again nothing. So, removed Patrick's name from the search and...
Rachel Mcgiverin born 23 Sepr.1866 Co.Down- mother Mary Mcgiverin
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPSC-SY7
If I'm correct, Rachel was illegitimate, born c few years before 1901 census age and made up a father's name and occupation when she got married. Since Mary's listed in 1901 as 'married' it could be that she kept up the story of Rachel's father and Rachel only gave the details as she was told them.
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I think you have hit the nail on the head. My great grandfather Patrick Doyle and Mary Mcgiveran possibly got together and were not married. Secrets were very common in those days. Thank you for the help reference Mary Mcgiverin and it gives closure to an unanswered question.
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Is Doyle not Rachel's husband?
Rachel's father may or may not have been someone called Patrick and may or may not have been an ex-soldier/soldier.
Here's Rachel Doyle in 1911- ages consistant with 1901 so perhaps Rachel reduced her age a few years so as not to be older than her husband- think the 'son' John Doyle could be the adopted orphan John Boyd with them in 1901:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls/Waterford_Street/175074
Another interesting bit from 1911 is that Rachel had 8 children but only 2 living.
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Is Doyle not Rachel's husband?
Rachel's father may or may not have been someone called Patrick and may or may not have been an ex-soldier/soldier.
Here's Rachel Doyle in 1911- ages consistant with 1901 so perhaps Rachel reduced her age a few years so as not to be older than her husband- think the 'son' John Doyle could be the adopted orphan John Boyd with them in 1901:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls/Waterford_Street/175074
Another interesting bit from 1911 is that Rachel had 8 children but only 2 living.
The son, John I know for fact, was adopted and my father was the only one of grans 8 children who lived. I have found four of the children's death records. They died from conditions which are now easily cured. Horrible times then.