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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: mrsaird on Saturday 16 March 13 00:54 GMT (UK)
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Trying to find out more about the above Eliza. She marries John Grant a general labourer aged 28 on 15th January, 1909 at Slackbuie (her home I think) Boharm. His father is given as Andrew Grant a Blacksmith and his mother Ann Forbes deceased. John's address was Clachnawarren, Boharm. in the 1911 census he appears there as the grand nephew of Jessie Dougharty. I cannot find Eliza on that census at all. They must have had a son John as I have a picture of Eliza with a young boy called John. I cannot find any later trace of John Grant whom she marries and I wonder if he died during WW1. I did eventually find a death certificate for an Elizabeth McAndie with the other names of Gibson and Stronach. Eliza on her birth certificate is just that Eliza, but the age on Elizabeth's death certificate in 1983 in Huntly is aged 94 years which would be right for Eliza born in 1888.
I know of her address in Huntly as she wrote my late aunt from there and I was given the letter but I have no idea as to her surname then.
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Hi
How old does the boy John look to be abt in the photo? How old does Eliza look ( trying to date photo)?
You have stated John GRANT's parents names from the 1909 marriage.
But what were Eliza's address and her parents names given as?
Elizabeth McANDIE/GIBSON/STRONACH who died Huntly 1983- what was her precise address in Huntly? Were her parents named on it?
Have you looked for & found Eliza's parents in 1911? Maybe Eliza was at home with her own mother during childbirth time?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi all ,
Eliza McKandie born Boharm Banff , 1888 ?
National Records of Scotland has this -
CS257/842 John Grant v Elizabeth R McKandie or McAndie or Grant : Divorce , 1919
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James Gibson / Elizabeth McAndie(other surname Grant) marriage 1926 Paisley Renfrew
William Stronach / Elizabeth McAndie(other surname Gibson) marriage 1950 , Aberdeen
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Thanks all, I did think that Stronach was perhaps right as my late mother's brother had Stronach in his name and I could almost hear my late grandfather's voice talking about a Willie Stronach. I should have listened more in childhood. i have so many notes but I think I did find a birth for a John Grant in Borham in 1913 on Scotland's people. Eliza was not at her parent's home - Peter McKandie or McAndie (after 1911) and Margaret Ann Milne as Annie McAndie (my grandmother) was the eldest child at home on that census at Slackbuie, I did find an Eliza on a census in Rathven district for 1911 and one of my uncle's was born there so we must have had family in that area.
Back to the detective work and many thanks once more.
regards
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Hi Ambly
your name on Rootschat made me think of Eliza and James Gibson's name of house - Amberley - just a thought
regards
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Meant to post only picture I have of Eliza and John
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Hi, I just wanted to express an interest in this line of inquiry. My wife is a descendant of Elspet McKandy born at Aberlour in 1835. She would have been a half-sister to the Peter McKandie mentioned already. By my reckoning their father George McKandie had 7 children by his first wife Janet Garrow in Aberlour and another 7 by his second wife Ann Inkson, the first 2 also at Aberlour, but moving to Bogbain, Keith around 1844, where the remainder, including Peter, were born.
George McKandie was one of 7 children to James McKandie and Anne Bell in Knockando and that's as far back as I can go because the older records were destroyed in a fire. There was a well known McKandy family in Inveravon also, who may well be linked, but most of them changed their name to Mitchell. If anyone has any morsels of information to add to this line, I would be most interested.
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My paternal grandmother, Margaret Milne McKandie (or grant) is the daughter of Elizabeth McKandie. I have a copy of my grans birth cert which claims that John Grant (stated as a General Labourer) was not her father as Elizabeth had not had intercourse with him in 3 years !
My gran was born in 1913.
My gran was allegedly the only girl out of 9, 7 of the brothers died within weeks of each other during WW11 and I have a newspaper cutting telling this story by my gran.
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My gran was allegedly the only girl out of 9, 7 of the brothers died within weeks of each other during WW11 and I have a newspaper cutting telling this story by my gran.
Hi Lollipop
That seems an extraordinary story. I checked the record of WW2 deaths in the name of McKandie but could find only one concerning someone from Elgin. Would they have use the name Grant? If so is it possible for you list all or some of their names?
Imber
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John Army
Alistair Army
Douglas Navy
Duncan navy
Margaret (my gran)
Walter Air Force
Alisdair (could be Alistair) Air Force
James Air Force
Gordon - all I know is he was youngest and demobbed
These are in age order
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Hmm. The sons must have had a variety of names - if John Grant and Eliza were married in 1909 and she hadn't had contact with him for 3 years before 1913, there wasn't time for her to have 9 sons to John Grant unless she had quadruplets and quintuplets in very quick succession!
But it would explain why she wasn't with him in the 1911 census.
On the other hand, if she had Margaret in 1913, it looks as if John b Boharm 1913 can't be hers.
And she was nearly 40 when she married James Gibson in 1926 so she can't have had 9 sons to him either.
I suspect you are stuck with looking for illegitimate Grants, but if you are lucky they might also be registered as Mc(K)andie.
Best place to start is probably www.cwgc.com but if any of the the sons were indeed illegitimate and known by their fathers' surnames you'll be stuck.
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I have found a copy of the divorce between Elizabeth and John Grant, granted at his request sometime 1918-1919
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Also have my grandmothers birth certificate that shows Elizabeth McKandie or Grant afterwards married to James Gibson (a baker).
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My maternal great grandfather is Peter McKandie. His daughter Helen is my grandmother. I have been puzzling for ages about the Mitchell connection. I note that in 1911 census Gandson John McAndie is present. I had assumed that one of the sons was his father but possibly an illegitimate son of Eliza.