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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: Melfordgal on Friday 15 March 13 10:33 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Wondered if anyone can help me with some info on John Barnes, b c 1791 in the Reading Area. He was father to Henry Barnes b 1816 Tilehurst who married Amy Mossman. I believe John was married to a Sarah. Any help with dates & a name for his wife would be gratefully received.
Thanks Melfordgal.
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Hi Melfordgal,
Had a look on the IGI for you and the only wedding I can find is the following
John Barnes married Martha Hains on 4rh March 1811 at Tilehurst
Then when you see Henry christened 7th January 1816 the wife is then Sarah.
Another child of John and Sarah is Elizabeth christened 1st August 1813 both
at Tilehurst.
Just wondered if it was your John and Martha had died it wasnt unusual to
die in childbirth in those days then the man had to find another wife quickly?
As yet havent found a marriage to a Sarah
I found Henrys marriage to Amey
Henry Barns no (e) married Amey Mossman on 10th May 1845 at Tilehurst, Fathers were
John Barns and Benjamin Mossman
regards Sandymc
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Many thanks sandymc. That confirms my suspicions.
Melfordgal ;)
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Martha was buried at St Michael's Tilehurst on 2 May 1813 aged 26, surname Barns.
When she married John Barnes they were both of that parish.
No record of Martha's baptism.
There is a baptism for a John Barnes s/o William & Susannah on 7 Jan 1786 at St Michael's
William and Susannah had two other sons baptised at St Michael's, Henry on 25 Dec 1783 and Francis on 30 Nov 1788.
There is no marriage for William and Susannah.
A William Barns was baptised on 30 Jan 1749 s/o Thomas & Frances.
No marriage for Thomas and Frances,
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Thanks for that artifis, that's really helpful. Sarah must have slipped through the records net. Grateful for your help.
Melfordgal.
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There is a gap between 1808 and 1823 in the banns records at St Michael's so it's not possible to find out where Sarah was from, presumably out of the parish as there's no marriage there for her and John, probably married in her home parish.
The child Elizabeth baptised 1st August 1813 seems very soon after Martha's burial on 2 May 1813 unless Elizabeth was Martha's child - perhaps she died in childbirth - and Sarah brought her up as her own.
It's possible Sarah was herself a widow and quickly married John to give her financial stability as was often the case at that time.
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Hello,
The baptisms of John's son, Henry, it says John and Sarah were "of Theale", so it is possible that Sarah came from Englefield, Tidmarsh, Sulham etc. and they were married there. Theale itself at that time was in the Tilehurst Parish.
To add to what other people have said there was also a marriage in 1822 at Tilehurst between a John Barnes and Lucy Johnson who also appear to have had at least one child baptised and married there.
This might be a red herring and he is a different John b 1791 but he seems to be living in Reading in 1841.
A further confusion is that a John Barnes, widow, living with Henry and Amy in 1861 puts his age at 78 (1783) whereas a burial in Tilehurst in 1871 puts his age at 79. (1792).
Also that there are other children of a John Barnes being married at Tilehurst later in the century.
I had presumed at present for the lack of other evidence, that John Barnes was, as Artifis says, son of William and Susannah and that he married 3 times.
More work and certificates needed for this family, methinks.
Yours
Vicwinann
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I'd spotted the John Barnes marrying Lucy Johnson as well but I couldn't find any burial for Sarah either in the St Michael's records nor in the Berks burial index but that's edition 7 and I know there are more complete ones available now.
It's an interesting puzzle especially the age at burial unless it's different John Barnes'
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Many thanks for all your input. I guess I'll have to keep digging. Any ideas of where I can go from here?
Regards, Melfordgal.
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I'd suggest getting a copy of the death certificate for the John Barnes buried at Tilehurst in 1871 as this amy give a clue to a relative from the person who registered his death.
As Vicwinann has said john and Sarah were said to be of Theale when they had their children baptised at Tilehurst and it might be worth checking the parish records for Englefield which is very nearby Theale and if no luck there then Sulham and Tidmarsh which are just along the valley to the north.
My ancestors at Tilehurst included Haines (of several spellings) families but I can't find any reference to Martha amongst them but I know there were other Haines families living there at the time. St Michael's parish was a large parish with the church inconveniently located at the southern end and it was often nearer to go to Sulham and Purley than St Michaels so you might find Martha there.
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Hello
I, too could not find a Martha Hains circa 1787 of any spelling in Tilehurst. In fact, she could have come from anywhere although the local area is most likely.
I haven't been able to find a burial for Sarah Barnes either, so a search of other local registers might come up with something. I think, from the Berks Burial Index, that she may be the one buried in Tidmarsh in 1824. She is the right sort of age.
As you say, Artifis, the most likely place for any immediate further information would be John Barnes 1871 death cert.
Yours
Vicwinann
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jphall
Hello I have A John Barnes Berkshire, perhaps Tilehurst
He married Sarah Chown on 9th June 1839
I got this information some time ago on Line.
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Hi I am John Barnes and I live just outside of Tilehurst but my family has long standing roots in Tilehurst and surrounding area. I have Henry and Amy Barnes in my family tree , are you still try to trace any Barnes family?