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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: George87 on Monday 11 March 13 18:17 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I have this reference (below) and I am wondering if anyone has any ideas as to how I could find more information on "Rev. William Mussen" of Belfast? Mid 1600's to early 1700's time frame. Any ideas would be appreciated!
"Agnes Mussen daughter of Rev. William Mussen of Belfast married Sir Henry Echlin . He was born Kenure Park, Rush, son of Robert Echlin, Esq. (will dated 19 April 1656) and Mary Leslie (2nd wife). "
Thank you!!!
G
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Similar details here list source as 'Mussen papers' (papers; private research of Kristiina Mussen covering Mussen families in the Blaris & Dromore areas)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/M/MurMy.htm
William wasn't a Presbyterian minister and was likely Church of Ireland.
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Thank you! That was fast!!
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You might be able to contact her via this thread on another forum-
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.musson/132.1/mb.ashx
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I am wondering if anyone has any ideas as to how I could find more information on "Rev. William Mussen" of Belfast? Mid 1600's to early 1700's time frame. Any ideas would be appreciated!
If Rev William was Church of Ireland then his career ought to be listed in Crockfords Clerical Directory. (You might need to write to Lambeth Palace for the details).
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Wow,
Thank you both so much. I will look into these two sources. Fingers crossed!
I really appreciate your help!
G
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Hi George87,
The Reverend William MUSSEN appears to be an elusive character.
The Representative Church Body Library (RCBL) in Dublin hold biographical details of CoI clergy.
Have found them to be very responsive to queries on such in the past.
E–mail: library[at]ireland.anglican.org
Website : www.library.ireland.anglican.org
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One explanation of origins of the MUSSENs is that they were brought across from Germany by the Earls of Ormonde (BUTLER family) to help improve the manufacturing of cloth.
http://glenavyhistory.com/pdf/1%20The%20Mussen%20family%20and%20Lisburn%20District.pdf
The records of Lisburn Cathedral were kept meticulously.
[Unfortunately those of Derriaghy (which was spun out as a separate parish from Blaris in 1707), in which region many MUSSENs appear to have lived, were not ... there being a particular dearth in the remainder of the 18thC.]
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Presumably you have realised the great historical importance of the ECHLIN line, traceable in Ireland back to The Right Reverend Robert ECHLIN, Bishop of Down & Connor, in early Jacobean times.
[Or was he Henry ECHLIN - sources seem to differ.]
His family derive from near Kirkliston & Dalmeny in West Lothian, Scotland.
[There are features named after the family in nearby Queensferry e.g. Echline Grove, Echline Primary School, ...]
Their seat was renamed as Dundas Castle, after they had moved to Pittadro in Fife.
There they came to the notice of the young King James, who was based nearby in Scotland's ancient capital (Dunfermline). They (like many other neighbours) were "encouraged" to support his huge social engineering experiment in Ulster.
[Instigated after James moved South to London in 1603, to take over the reins of the "British" Isles.]
The rest is History!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echlin_baronets
[Baronet was a sub category of the Peerage (one notch below Baron) introduced by King James, with particular emphasis at its inception on Ulster. You could become one by promising to take ownership of a large area of land, to plant loyal settlers there at a certain density, to build defensive farms (bawns) pdq, and to pay him £1,000!]
http://www.thepeerage.com/p39563.htm
http://www.thepeerage.com/p39565.htm
http://histfam.familysearch.org/pedigree.php?personID=I215601&tree=Nixon
http://www.greencastlemuseum.org/Ulsterscots/ref_001b.htm
Revving Jock
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Thank you!
Wow! This information with links is amazing! Thank you doesn't seem enough but will have to do.
I will enjoy going through them today.
I have thoroughly collected all the Mussens from the Lisburn and Derriaghy registers. But as you say, there are huge gaps in information. I have collectedso many stray "Mussen" people that I need to weave into the family tree somehow!
With regard to Rev. William Mussen - he is elusive!! You would think if his daughter married into such an accomplished family there would be something more to be found about him. I have done some research into the Echlins. I was very surprised - and more determined to solve the Rev. mystery - as Agnes and Henry Echlin's granddaughter Agnes married Rev. Philip Gayer of Derriaghy! Then 3 of their daughters married men of some significance in Lisburn.
I also have an Esther Allen, daughter of James Allen, Esq., of Kircubbin. Her brother was John ECHLIN Allen (source mother Margaret's will 1787). Esther Allen married a Mussen.
With regard to the Ormond's, I found this little tidbit to add to the evergrowing list of tantalizing yet frustrating bits of information.
1665 March 10 Dublin Castle – RICHARD MUSSEN admitted as Trumpeter to Marquis of Ormonde.
"That wereas your Grace hath been favourably pleased to admit your petitioner into the number of his Majestie's Trumpets attending to your Grace, in the place of Robert Burgesse, deceased, he is given to understand that he cannot be settled in the establishment of Ireland soe as to receive his salary without a warrant for that purpose from your Grace or the Lord Chamberlaine of his Majestie's Household. Your petitioner therefore humbly prays that your Grace will be favourably pleased either to grant him your Grace's warrant for that purpose or recommend him to the said Lord Chamberlaine for his warrant, as to your Grace shall seeme most convenient. And he as in duty bound shall pray."
"Dublin Castle, the 10 March 1665[6] – We having been pleased to admit the petitioner Trumpet in the place of Robert Burgesse above named, we think fit and do hereby order that his Majestie's Auditor General shall take notice thereof and enter him instead of the said Robert Burgesse, and make forth debentures unto him from the death of said Burgesse, from time to time, for such entertainment as was allowed unto the said Burgesse upon the civil lyst of the establishment. – Ormonde"
1667 – from "The Manuscripts of the Marquis of Ormonde, preserved at the Castle Kilkenny"
Oct 11, 1667 – A list of officers and soldiers of the King's Guard of Horse. Trumpeters: Henry Thure,
Peter Leake, Francis Barton, William Casteile, Alexander Jackson, RICHARD MUSSON.
The King's Musik – a transcript of records relating to music and musicians by: Henry Cart de la Fontaine
1668[9] Feb 3
Bryan Quinne appointed trumpeter in ordinary to attend the Duke of Ormond in Ireland in the place which Robert Burgesse and RICHARD MUSSON lately enjoyed. L.C. Vol 479, pg 105
1668 – Richard Mussen - Source: Deputy Keeper of Ireland, Index to the Act or Grant Books, and to Original Wills of the Diocese of Dublin 1272 – 1858 (26th, 30th &31st reports, 1894, 1899)
I truly apprecate the time and effort you took to put together such a helpful reply. It is frustrating to have such information and be unable to follow up on it with any good results - so far.
You are awesome!
George
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I made a few tweaks (elaborations, corrections) to my original note ... best review it.
Recall chasing the GAYER family.
Info went down when Capt. Jock's boat foundered a while back.
Was probably chasing the Glenavy WHITTLE links with the GORMANs and DUBORDIEUs.
[The GAYERs and DUBORDIEUs were definitely of Huguenot origin, unlike the MUSSENs.]
The availability of all these Internet links nowadays has certainly set genealogical research alight.
[Some of us remember its initial sparks from the late 1970s - Habeamus DARPAm!]
The ALLEN spelling is common in NE Scotland, from whence many marched to Ulster after King James' deal with the Earl of Antrim (McDONNELL) in 1605.
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Many thanks again,
I will review your changes. I had an interesting day following the links you provided ;D
And thank you as well; you are the first person I have met who recognises that the Mussens were not part of the Huguenot migration into Ireland. They were in England much earlier than that.
Have a wonderful day!
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Many thanks again,
I will review your changes. I had an interesting day following the links you provided ;D
And thank you as well; you are the first person I have met who recognises that the Mussens were not part of the Huguenot migration into Ireland. They were in England much earlier than that.
Have a wonderful day!