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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Romilly on Friday 08 March 13 14:09 GMT (UK)
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William John Johnson married Annie Elizabeth Stewart in the Jan/Feb/March Q of 1900
On the 1901 Census this family were in Tottenham:
William John Johnson 28yrs Ocupation: Warehouseman (Drapery) b. Holloway
Annie Elizabeth, (Née Stewart) 25yrs b. Lambeth
William Stewart, 2 months b. Tottenham
Residing at 4, Everitt Villas, Siddons Road, Tottenham
Census Ref RG13/1247/180/27.
However, I'm unable to find William John Johnson on the 1891 Census, when presumably he would still be living at home with his parents, - either in Holloway or Tottenham I would think.
Can anyone on here see him please?
Cheers, Romilly.
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It is not an unusual name, so you any need to get a fathers name from his marriage cert to help
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It is not an unusual name, so you any need to get a fathers name from his marriage cert to help
It's almost bound to be William...
And so that won't help either!
Romilly.
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Could he have been illegitamate, possible sighting?
1891 75-76 Wood Street Cripplegate City London
William Johnson 17 Apprentice clerk born Holloway
1881 Mary Priscilla Cottage Peel Road Woodford Essex
William Johnson 6 Boarder born Holloway
living with the family of John Brett aged 46
Jennifer
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Could he have been illegitamate, possible sighting?
1891 75-76 Wood Street Cripplegate City London
William Johnson 17 Apprentice clerk born Holloway
1881 Mary Priscilla Cottage Peel Road Woodford Essex
William Johnson 6 Boarder born Holloway
living with the family of John Brett aged 46
Jennifer
Gosh, - that's a possibility I hadn't considered Jennifer.
It could explain why I'm having such difficulty finding him...
Many Thanks for finding that!
Romilly.
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Have tried to tie in the Brett family, but have only managed to find the marriage for John Brett & Mary Priscilla Smith 2/7/1861 St.Barnabas Homerton Hackney.
Both give a Homerton address, so I can not yet see any connection to Holloway?
Jennifer
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Have tried to tie in the Brett family, but have only managed to find the marriage for John Brett & Mary Priscilla Smith 2/7/1861 St.Barnabas Homerton Hackney.
Both give a Homerton address, so I can not yet see any connection to Holloway?
Jennifer
I guess that it depends on where he's a 'Boader' from... i.e. whether it's a private arrangement or via an institution. I believe that the Foundling Hospital had 'boarding out' arrangements for example. But I'm sure that someone on here will know more about it than I do!
Romilly.
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Hmmm... Peel Road Woodford Essex was a large Gypsy encampment at the time of the 1881 Census. (I found it on a Gypsy message board by Googling the name of the road & 1881). There's a thought!!
Romilly.
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Smith is a gypsy family name?
Jennifer
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Smith is a gypsy family name?
Jennifer
Yes, I believe it is... but I'm still not sure if this is a wild goose chase or not...
Having said that, - I have searched in vain for a Birth for William John Johnson, (on FindMyPast) and can't find it. And I can't find either father or son on the 1911:-( (I have access to this and so I'm not requesting a look-up for 1911, - I'm just puzzled).
Romilly.
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William J Johnson 18 b. abt 1873 son of Reuben Johnson and Sarah. Where born transcribed as Nottoway on Ancestry. Perhaps this is him? RG12/1068/33 p 59
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William J Johnson 18 b. abt 1873 son of Reuben Johnson and Sarah. Where born transcribed as Nottoway on Ancestry. Perhaps this is him? RG12/1068/33 p 59
Nottoway isn't in the UK though is it? It's in Virginia, USA I think?
And William John Johnson appears to have spent his life in England. Certainly on the 1901 Census for England, (when he's 28yrs and married to Annie), he's in Tottenham, Edmonton.
Romilly.
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I reckon its a mistranscription - looking closely at it looks like Holloway, not Nottoway. Both his parents are born in London and his siblings are all born in Tottenham. I would think it was unlikely they all shipped out to the US and were back again within 2 years for the birth of the rest of the children. St Mary's is a parish in Holloway/Islington which concurs with the rest of the place of birth.
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In addition, a sibling of this William J Johnson is a Harry Clitherow Johnson who was born in 1871, again transcribed as Nottoway, in the 1891 census detailed above. There is a baptism record for a Harry C Johnson, 11 June 1871 at St John's Holloway, son of Reuben and Sarah. So if it is the right family, then they are definitely in the Tottenham/Holloway area and not in the US at the right time.
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Looks like Kat may have found him and he was there all the time.
Jennifer
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Gosh, - well done Kat!
Ance**ry mistranscriptions, don't you just love them? I will add these to my Johnson file, - many thanks to all who looked.
Kat, - I have never been able to find my Wilson Grandfather, (William James Wilson, 1860-1937) prior to his Marriage in Swansea in June 1893. He's on the 1901 and 1911 Censuses for Wales, and on both of them he says he was born in Manchester, Lancs. - but I can't find him anywhere before then:-( I'm fairly convinced that a similar mistranscription has happened, but it's defeated me trying to find it:-(((
I've posted about him all over the place on here, but no luck:-(((((
Best Wishes, Romilly.
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Do you know his parents names at all? I will have a little look and see what I can find. Think I can see him on the 1901/11 censuses in Swansea as you say, married to Margaret.
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Having baptised Harry in Holloway on 11 June 1871, Reuben and Sarah seem to have moved to Stepney for a bit:
Baptism, St Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney
10 Nov 1872
William John JOHNSON, born 10 September 1872, son of Reuben (a cooper) and Sarah, of 4 Lea Place. [Likely birth reg: William John Johnson, Dec qtr 1872 Islington 1b 226]
They were then in Tottenham by the time they baptised Reuben James on 2 Aug 1874.
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Do you know his parents names at all? I will have a little look and see what I can find. Think I can see him on the 1901/11 censuses in Swansea as you say, married to Margaret.
Hi Kat,
It's very kind of you to look. On his Marriage Cert to Margaret Rees he gives his father as, 'William Wilson, (Deceased) Occupation: Mason'. Masons would have moved around the country for work, & so I've looked around, but can't find him anywhere. And they are such common names too:-( My late father was one of William James & Margaret's sons, but he died in 1957, and so I've never been able to ask him). It's quite possible that William Wilson Snr died when William James Wilson was very young and his mother re-married, but I have no knowledge of this at all... :-((( I have a theory that his mother was an Alice, - because one of his 6 sons was initially registered as a girl, (Alice Rencella Wilson) & the gender was reassigned as a 'Clerical Error' 3 months later & he was re-named Ernest Rencella Wilson(!)
Romilly.
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Having baptised Harry in Holloway on 11 June 1871, Reuben and Sarah seem to have moved to Stepney for a bit:
Baptism, St Dunstan & All Saints, Stepney
10 Nov 1872
William John JOHNSON, born 10 September 1872, son of Reuben (a cooper) and Sarah, of 4 Lea Place. [Likely birth reg: William John Johnson, Dec qtr 1872 Islington 1b 226]
They were then in Tottenham by the time they baptised Reuben James on 2 Aug 1874.
Many Thanks avm.
Istn't Family History a funny thing? I've been stuck with these Johnsons for ages... and suddenly it's all back on track!
And all thanks to fellow Rootschatters!!
Romilly :)