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I am looking for any information on the Thomas and Margaret Morris prior to their immigration to the United States. I have found some information on miller family, but I'm at a dead end on the Morris family. all I know is he was a coalminer and married Margaret miller in 1899, came to the US in 1910 and settled in Frontenec Kansas. Nothing prior to his marriage.
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just had a look at the freebmduk on this .... i think u may need to find the pr for the marriage in 1899 (10b 477 March q Morpeth), or actually purchase the certificate to get the fathers name of thomas given there are numerous of them born. he possibly born around 1880...... do you have him on an american census as an age or approximate year....?
so that some one may track a 1901 census or bmd reference.....
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The following may give clues about age/ names of parents
Marriage certificate - entry is in Q1 1899,Morpeth on FreeBMD to get the references, cert obtainable either from the GRO (£9.25) or the Northumberland registrar (£10) the local registrar has their own site (GRO ref does not help them) http://registrar.northumberland.gov.uk/certificates/Search.aspx
Census returns - 1901 England, 1910 onwards in the US
Passenger lists showing the couple (and any children) going to the US
Naturalisation records for Thomas and his family - they often have details of birthplace etc
There are a good few Thomas Morris names turning up in Northumberland in 1901 census, without knowing at least an age for 'your' Thomas its difficult to guess which one may be him. If you know his approx birth year, or Margaret's or any names / dates of children born prior to 1901 then that would also help to pin them down on the census.
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Hi
This is a possible family - living with the Millers in 1901 (Others seem either too old/too young or have older children)
RG13/4833/50/11
Front Street, Walker Terrace, Bedlington
Jacob Miller, 32, coal miner, b. Bedlington
Catherine, w, 27, b. Spennymoor, Co Durham
Ellen, d, 6, b. North Shields
Peter, s, 2, b. Bedlington
Catherine, d, 9 days, b. -do-
Thomas Morris, b in l, 28, coal miner, b. Bedlington
Margaret, s in l, 21, b. Pegswood
Susanna , niece, 2, b. Bedlington
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An online tree suggests that Thomas was born in 1873 and died 1932. The family arrived US in 1912 and were in Frontenac in 1920. Daughter, Mary, born 1902, Bedlington. So the family that I've listed look a good possible.
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Passenger list of Arabic - Liverpool to Boston (dept. 10 Sept 1912) record
Margaret Morris, hswife, 33
Mary, child, 10
James, child, 7
Jacob, child, 4 1/2 (?)
So maybe Thomas left in 1910 and Margaret and the children followed.
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The 1920 US census would appear to confirm the 1901 family:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MF6S-3N6#
Arrival dates also fit with the passenger list.
I'll look in Bedlington area for your Thomas (b.c. 1873) prior to 1901 now :)
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This looks like the family:
1881
6 Watergate, Bedlington, Morpeth RD
RG11/5116/103/50
Thomas Morris, 40, coal miner, b. Camperdown, Northumberland
Elizabeth, w, 36, b. Seghill
John r, s, 14, coal mine driver, b. Bedlington
Ann, d, 13
Mary E, d, 12
Joshua, s, 11
Thomas, s, 5
James, s, 3
All children b. Bedlington
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Link thread - to avoid duplication. Thanks Jennifer :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,629802.0.html
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This looks like the family in 1871
1871
Bedlington Colliery, Bedlington
RG10/5165/161/25
Thomas Morris, 30, coal miner, b. Camperdown
Elizabeth, w, 25, b. Seghill
John R, s, 4
Ann, d, 3
Mary E, d, 2
Joshua, s, 1
All children b. Bedlington
Trying to trace back the Morris family in the censuses as far as poss
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1861
26 Second Colliery Row, Bedlington
RG9/3873/7/7
John Morris, 67, coal miner, b. Scotland :D
Ann, w, 67. b. Allendale
Ann, d, unm, b. Wallsend
Thomas, s, unm, 20, coalminer, b. Longbenton (Camperdown is just north of Killingworth so would fit!)**
John, gds, 11, b. Bedlington
1851
HO107/2418/432/20
Bedlington Colliery, West Sleekburn
John Morris, 54, coal miner , b. Fifeshire, Cooper (Cupar) - will check him out in Scotland!
Ann, w, 54, b. Allendale
William,s, 31, coal miner, b. Wallsend
John,s, 25, -do-. b. -do-
Joshua, s, 23, -do- b. All Saints, N/c on Tyne
Elizabeth, d, 20. b.-do-
Ann, d, 14, b. -do-
Thomas, s, 10, b. Benton
John, s, 1, b. Bedlingtom
Mary A Thompson, 14
1841
Longbenton
HO107/822/3/14/21
John Morriss, 45, b. S
Ann, 45
William, 21
Mary, 19
James, 18
John, 17
Robert, 15
Joshua, 13
Elizabeth, 11
Ann, 5
Thomas, 7 mths
**Added - location map of Camperdown:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0t2e/
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Could this be the marriage of John Morris and Ann Stephenson, 12 Apr 1819, Wallsend
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJG8-ZYT
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added - The marriage is showing on the Durham BTs on Family Search - Northumberland: Walsend: 1813-1833: page 166
Unfortunately no info about parents. Witnesses were Joseph Mordue
and James Jameson, who look like church wardens as they have signed a few entries.
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This baptism looks as if it could fit with Ann Morris nee Stephenson's age on the censuses:
St Peter and Allenheads Chapelries, Allendale 3 April 1796
Ann Stephenson d/o James Stephenson and Mary
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NGSR-LH2
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Hi Morris110941
I see you were on about an hour ago and I do hope you've found what I've put up of use :)
Re: Thomas Morris and wife Elizabeth (parents of Thomas Morris b. 1873), shown on the 1871 and 1881 in Bedlington.
This marriage looks interesting:
Jun q, 1866, Morpeth vol 10b p 486. Thomas Morris and Elizabeth Cowans and Elizabeth Laws are on the same page.
There's an Elizabeth Laws on the earlier censuses born Earsdon, which is not far from Seghill. NO Elizabeth Cowans so far. Will report back if I can get more confirmatory info.
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Here is what I know about Thomas Morris. From his tombstone it says he was born in 1873. I have a note from a cousin that her father wrote that says Thomas Morris was born in Lancashire England in 1873. I have a copy of the marriage certificate which lists his fathers name as John Morris a coal miner, also an old baby book that says his mothers name was Hanna. I have never found any records to match that.
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Here is what I know about Thomas Morris. From his tombstone it says he was born in 1873. I have a note from a cousin that her father wrote that says Thomas Morris was born in Lancashire England in 1873. I have a copy of the marriage certificate which lists his fathers name as John Morris a coal miner, also an old baby book that says his mothers name was Hanna. I have never found any records to match that.
I really think that some of the information that you have is wrong. You say in your Subject line that he was born Morpeth which is in Northumberland! Do please read through what I've found - it all seems to be the same family and I spent a good while doing the searching.
Magic words are always welcome :)
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I must apoligize, I wrote his fathers name was John, but the marriage certificate says his name was James. Also Morpeth is where they were living prior to their immigration to the United States. According to Thomas's obituary they list that he had a brother named John Morris that lived in Lincoln, Illinoies, USA.
I found a James Morris born 1840 Bolton, Lancashire. He married Hanna Schofield in 1858 and they had a son named John Morris 1859. In 1871 he married Emma Calderley, and they had a son named Thomas Morris In 1873, they lived in Bolton Lancashire That would all match including a note I have from the youngest son Louis that said his father was born in Lancashire. The one exception, my grandmother Margaret "Miller" Morris wrote in my baby book that Thomas's mothers name was Hanna. I cannot find a James and Hanna Morris in the 1871 or later census. I believe my grandmother was mistaken, but don't know how to prove it.
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Hi again
There's not much that I can add to my previous posts on this thread. To summarise:
If this is your family in 1920:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MF6S-3N6# (Reply #6)
Then this is them travelling to US (Reply #5) :
Passenger list of Arabic - Liverpool to Boston (dept. 10 Sept 1912) record
Margaret Morris, hswife, 33
Mary, child, 10
James, child, 7
Jacob, child, 4 1/2 (?)
and if so, this is the only family that matches in 1901 (Reply #3):
RG13/4833/50/11
Front Street, Walker Terrace, Bedlington
Jacob Miller, 32, coal miner, b. Bedlington
Catherine, w, 27, b. Spennymoor, Co Durham
Ellen, d, 6, b. North Shields
Peter, s, 2, b. Bedlington
Catherine, d, 9 days, b. -do-
Thomas Morris, b in l, 28, coal miner, b. Bedlington
Margaret, s in l, 21, b. Pegswood
Susanna , niece, 2, b. Bedlington
Note that Thomas is down as born Bedlington, Northumberland. Also, they are staying with the Millers.
See this link: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWMR-H1J
And see the online tree for daughter Mary Morris, b.c. 1902, which can be viewed via Mundia
http://www.mundia.com/gb/
Is this the family that you think he belongs to:
1881
RG11/4946/109/42
183 West Chapel Row, Quebec, Esh, Co. Durham
James Morris, 41, coal miner, b. Bolton
Emma, w, 34, b. Bolton
Eliza, d, 16, b. Kelloe, Co. Durham
Robert, s, 13, coal miner, b. -do-
Margaret, d, 11, b. Wheatley Hill, Co Durham
Thomas, s, 8, b. -do-
Elizabeth, A, d, 4, b. -do-
Medilda (?Matilda) , d, 5 mths, b. Quebec, Co. Durham
If so, the family are back in Lancashire in 1891 at RG12/3422/69/32 (Emma down as born Northumberland)
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You said:
I cannot find a James and Hanna Morris in the 1871 or later census.
James and Hannah in 1871
RG10/4966/135/21
12 Top Cross Rows, Coxhoe, Co. Durham
James Morris, 31, coal miner , b. Bolton
Hannah, w, 35, b. Crewe
John Thos, s, 12, b. Bolton
Mary Ann, d, 10, b. -do-
Eliza, d, 6, b. Kelloe
Robert, s, 3, b. -do-
Margaret, d, 1, b. -do-
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I have found the baptism of Thomas Morris, born 1873 in Wheatley Hill.
Easington District, Co. Durham
St Bartholomew, Thornley (by Kelloe)
7 Sept 1873 Thomas Morris, son of James and Hannah Morris of Wheaatley Hill. Born 13 August 1873
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This looks like a possible death for Hannah - age similar to census:
Hannah Morris, June q, 1877, Durham, v 10a p 206
and a possible marriage for James and Emma (note her surnames!):
Dec q, 1879, Easington, v 10a p 443 James Morris and Emma Summerson are on the same page. This fits with this parish record ~
St. Mary, Monk Hesleden
11 Oct 1879 James Morris, son of Robert Morris and Emma Summerson, widow, daughter of Thomas Jobling
Emma is recorded on the censuses with various places of birth!
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Hi again
This does look like the family now - your grandmother was nearly correct!
What we have is James Morris and Hannah Schofield marrying in Bolton RD, Mar quarter, 1858 (vol 8c page 261)
They stay in Bolton until at least the birth of Mary Ann (aged 10 in 1871). They then move to County Durham sometime before the birth of Eliza circa 1866 and are there until Hannah's death (probably in 1877). Thomas is born there on 13 August 1873.
James marries Emma Summerson nee Jobling 11 October 1879 and some time before the birth of Lavinia circa 1884 they move back to Lancashire, where they remain until at least 1891.
Thomas moves back to the North East and marries Margaret Miller in 1899. Thomas emigrates to the US 1910-11 and Margaret follows with the children in 1912.
It would have been best if you'd given the information about father James, mother Hannah and the Bolton connection in your original post as it would have saved a lot of time. However, we got there in the end ;D
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PS - I believe that Wheatley Hill was at one time in the Lanchester Registration District of Co. Durham (see http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/lanchester.html ) which might explain Louis's comment about Thomas being born in Lancashire!
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Hi :D
I hope these notes on the Morris (Mores) family from Cupar, Fifeshire, might be helpful to you.
William Morris, John Morris and James Morris were the sons of William Mores (a weaver) and Isabel Bell who were married in Cupar, Fifeshire, Scotland on February 17, 1793.
Their eldest known son William Morris (Mores) was born in Cupar in Fifeshire on December 01, 1792, and was baptised there on 3rd November, 1793. It is likely that as a young man he migrated south across the Scottish border, possibly with his two brothers, James and John to find work in the Northumberland coalmines. On 31 March 1819, at St Peter's Wallsend, William, a pitman, married Isabella Elliott. It was a short marriage and in 1820, after giving birth to two children, John and Elizabeth (possibly twins), Isabella died. Her son John did not survive and her daughter Elizabeth lived only 5 years. On 25 August 1821, at St John, Newcastle, William married Mary Stephenson from Allendale. Mary was the daughter of James Stephenson and Mary Reed and she was the younger sister of William's sister-in-law, Ann. William and Mary had 10 children, Isabella and Mary (who did not survive), Alexander, William, James, Mary (2), Elizabeth (who died in infancy), Ann, John and Isabella (2). William died in Bedlington on 12 December, 1862 and is buried in Bedlington Cemetery. His wife Mary survived him by 10 years, and died in 1872 at West Sleekburn Colliery, Bedlington
John Morris was also born in Cupar, Fifeshire, where he was baptised on 10th March 1795. His baptism record gives his surname as Morison. Some time before 1819 John migrated south across the Scottish border to the Northumberland coalfields where he married Ann Stephenson, from Allendale on 12 April, 1819 at St Peter's, Wallsend. Ann and John, a pitman, lived in Willington, Wallsend probably until about 1827. William, Mary, James, John and Robert were all baptized at Wallsend and Joshua, Elizabeth, Ann and Thomas in Longbenton, Newcastle Upon Tyne. Ann Morris died in Bedlington about 21 November 1866, aged 70. John Morris also died in Bedlington and was buried on 12 July 1868 at St Cuthberts, Bedlington on 12 July 1868. He was 74.
James Morris was probably born about 1796 in Cupar though no baptism record has been found. He married Hannah Gray at Christ Church, Tynemouth, Northumberland, on 5 December 1818. She was the daughter of Stephen Gray from Tynemouth and Hannah Makin from Sheffield. During their early married life, James worked as a pitman. The birth records of his 5 older children give James and Hannah's abode as Willington, so it is likely that James was a coal miner at Willington Colliery at least until 1830. James and Hannah had 4 sons, Stephen, James, John and William, and 4 daughters, Isabella Bell, Elizabeth, Hannah Mary (who died in infancy) and Hannah Maken. Their youngest and eldest daughters are named after their grandmothers. After the birth of their 5th child, Elizabeth, the Morris family relocated to Preston, Tynemouth and they are on record there in the 1841 and the 1851 census. James's occupation in both censuses is recorded as a gardener and in the 1851 census, he is a "Gardner, 5 acres, employing 2 labourers".
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Thomas Morris who was baptised at Newcastle on Tyne on October 16, 1841, was the son of John Morris and Ann Stephenson. Thomas, a coal miner married Elizabeth Laws in Morpeth in Jun 1866. Their children were John, Ann, Mary Elizabeth, Joshua, Thomas and James. Elizabeth died in 1887. Do you have a marriage record for your Thomas and Margaret?
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This match's what I have found. Thanks for all your help. I was having trouble proving the Hanna was Thomas mother.
My grandmother didn't really talk about her family she left, but she thought that she could go back and everything would be just like it was when she left.
If any one ever comes across any pictures of Thomas I would love to have a copy. I have the only existing picture of Thomas..
Thank you again for all the work you did. I appreciate it very much