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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Cardiganshire => Topic started by: swanscity on Tuesday 05 March 13 23:31 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I am looking for my great grandfather Benjamin Davies (1894 Lampeter). Mother's name Jane. His brothers and sisters: Hannah (1888), Elizabeth, & Watkin. They lived at Frondeg House. I can find Benjamin and Hannah on the 1911 census, they lived at 12 Baptist Well Place, Swansea, but cannot find them on the 1901 census. Would be grateful for any information.
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Hi and welcome
The 1911 index shows their birthplaces as Aberystwyth - not Lampeter
How do you know he is Hannah's brother as his status is boarder
When and where were Elizabeth & Watkin born
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Hi think this must be them in 1901:-
Jane 37
Hannah 13
Elizabeth 8
Benjamin 7
Evan 5
Thomas 3
Residing at Frondeg on Cwmiago, Lampeter
Census Ref RG13/5145/47/10
And a Watkin aged 6 and a David aged 1 are with them in 1891 Census Ref RG12/4556/121/2 in Aberayron
The parents are I believe Evan Davies b c 1864 Ystrad and Jane Jones who married in Sept qtr1883 Aberayron 11b 65
Keyboard86
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Mis-transcribed as Danes - and then shown as the same household as their next door neighbours whose head was Maria Evans. Davies children are then shown with mother as Maria!!
Another triumph of confusion from Ancestry!!
However - I notice somebody called Swansgal has notified these errors to Ancestry on 21.2.2013 so presumably has a connection to the family
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Hi, thanks for the replies. I am told Watkin was born in Lampeter, don't know which part. And that Benjamin lived with his sister Hannah in Swansea. The family later lived at no 11 Baptist Well Place. I have noticed on Ancestry they are down as Danes not Davies. I am a bit confused as to where Maria Evans (Head) fits in. She had a son David and Jane was down as his wife later on. Thank you.
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There is no connection to Maria Evans - she was a separate household and the reason for the confusion is shown in my earlier reply above - poor transcription
I think Keyboard86 deserves a round of applause for finding it given all the issues ;D ;D ;D
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That's where I got confused as I didn't know where Maria Evans fitted in. Believe me I've searched high and low for this family, at last. Thank you.
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Hi again, I can confirm that Maria Evans has no connection to the Davies family other than the fact she was living next door to Jane and family in 1901!
Watkin Davies was b c 1885 in Cilcennin, Cardiganshire and marries an Elizabeth Griffiths in Sept qtr 1904 Lampeter 11b 47
Keyboard86
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Watkin Davies aged 16 b Lampeter is a servant in 1901 in Llanwnen Cardigan
RG13 Piece 5147 Folio 47 Page 7
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Hello,hope this helps-Frondeg is on the road between Llanwnnen and Cribyn in Cardiganshire.It is one of several houses in the hamlet of Cwm-pib.Cwm-iago is the next house towards Llanwnnen.They are I believe in the Parish of Lampeter,though I,m unsure where the boundary between Lampeter Parish and Llanfihangel Ystrad Parish lies so check this to make sure.
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Hello,hope this helps-Frondeg is on the road between Llanwnnen and Cribyn in Cardiganshire.It is one of several houses in the hamlet of Cwm-pib.Cwm-iago is the next house towards Llanwnnen.They are I believe in the Parish of Lampeter,though I,m unsure where the boundary between Lampeter Parish and Llanfihangel Ystrad Parish lies so check this to make sure.
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Thank you for the reply. I have a query about Unitarian Chapel Cribyn. Apparently my aunt had something to do with it. Would anyone know if it was converted into a house or is still used as a chapel. It is opposite Three Horseshoes public house. Which now looks like a residential building. Thank you.
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Dear Swancity
See this link on Unitarian Chapel Cribyn:
http://www.ukunitarians.org.uk/swda/cribyn.htm
Regards, Alltcafan :)
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Thank you. Obviously it's still a chapel then. So I don't know how she was part of it. You were saying about Frondeg. I only have old photo's of it, obviously it has changed by now. Have you any idea where it is on the map. Have been looking on Google Map for it. I live in Swansea so I have no idea about the area. Thanks.
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Hello,
Yes,it's still a chapel,my mother is a member there,she could possibly know of your Aunt or her family,if she did'nt,she would probably know where to find this information.The 3 horseshoes is now a residential house.To find Frondeg on the map consult Ordnance Survey Sheet 146,on the B4337 between Cribyn and Llanwnen you will see MS [mile stone] marked,just after the road crosses Nant Mynach [the boundary between Llanfihangel Ystrad and Lampeter Parishes by the way].Frondeg is in the small woodland section marked on the map.
Regards,David
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Just had a look on google streetview again follow the B4337 out of Cribyn towards Llanwnnen until you come to a small group of houses,Frondeg is easily spotted on your left,it has a large Morgan and Davies estate Agents sign outside. Also Cwmiago is the next house on your left after Frondeg.
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Dear Swancity
See link which for Thomas Davies b. 1897 son of Evan & Jane Davies, Frondeg who died in WW1
when you open the link it shows Cribyn War Memorial and if you scroll down just a little to the second person named which is Private Thomas Davies (try copying the link below into google....)
http://ceredigion-war-memorial.co.uk/page26.htm
Also photo of Tom Davies (copy the following link into google and do a return which should hopefully work....) [This is on Gathering the Jewels on the National Library of Wales web-site].
http://education.gtj.org.uk/en/blowup6/2964
I know that it's not Thomas you are following, but I thought that as he is the son of Evan & Jane Davies, Frondeg it may be of interest.
Regards, Alltcafan :)
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Thank you, I did see the one on the memorial page, but didn't see the other one on Gathering the Jewels.
Thanks for the info
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Hello,
I've mentioned your quest to my mother.She remembers your relation Hannah Davies living in a property called Pensteps which was situated next to Cribyn Unitarian chapel.The house was demolished some time ago,but I remember it in my lifetime.She also remembered that Hannah Davies came to live there from Swansea.Several graves exist in the chapel's graveyard containing members of the the Frondeg Davies family.Benjamin and Thomas Davies are mentioned in a pamphlet produced at the time of the war memorial's construction for the people of Cribyn.
Hope this helps,regards,David
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The entry in the pamphlet reads-
Pte.Davies,9th.Welsh[Welch?] Fell in Bourlan Wood,November 23rd,1917 aged 20
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Hi
A relative seems to think that Hannah was a caretaker of some sort for the Chapel. And that she lived in either Chapel House or Old School House. They could be wrong and it could be the one you mentioned. Yes Hannah lived in Swansea in 1911 and then returned to Cardigan.
Thank you
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This Old School house is Pensteps as one of the first schools in the area was held there.The house did belong to the chapel,so it's likely that Hannah carried out Caretaker duties.The house was demolished as it needed a huge amount of money spent on it,and it had become a liability that served no practical purpose.
Good luck with your search,if I can help again let me know.
Regards,David
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Hi
Thanks for your help, most grateful for the info.
Thanks again
Swansgal
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Hello David,
I would be most interested in sharing information with you about the 17th century Griffiths family of Nantcwnlle, Llanddewi Brefi and Trevilan. You can reach me at rdg@rdgriffith.com.
Thanks and regards,
Robert Griffith
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Hello again,
Some more on the Davies family of Frondeg-as stated previously several members of this family were buried in the graveyard of the Unitarian Chapel in Cribyn.They are-
Evan-d.6th of March,1940 aged 76
Jane-d.2nd. of January,1951 aged 86
Elizabeth-d.4th March,1936,aged 43 address given as $,Earl Street,Hafod,Swansea
David-age 5yrs. 4mths.,d.1895
I think there are more,will let you know.
Also,in the Ymofynydd[Unitarian news pamphlet-usually in Welsh] dated January,1918 there was printed-A history of Pte. Davies and the Frondeg family.
Some more on Benjamin-in 1871 he lived in Tan-y -gaer,Cribyn,and in 1881,1891 and 1901 he lives in Bryngwyn,Cribyn.
All for now,David
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Hello Robert,
Will contact you soon.
Regards,David
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Hello again Robert,
Tried to get in touch but your e-mail address is not recognized,can you check that again and let me know.
Thanks,Regards,David
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Hi David,
Strange about the email. It is a good address. Try griffrd@gmail.com
Thanks,
Bob Griffith
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Hi David
Thank you very much for the info. I have Benjamin (son of Evan) down as being born in 1894, I could be wrong. The Benjamin in the info, was he the son. Also I cannot find Evan in any other census apart from 1911. Any info is grateful.
Regards
Swansgal
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Hi again Swansgal, this I believe is Evan Davies in 1881/91:-
1881 Census
Evan Davies 44 occ Farmer of 66 Acres
Margaret 38 b Ystrad
Evan 16 b Ystrad
James 10
John 8
Elizabeth 5
Mary 1
Anne Jones 32 Servant
All other than shown born Dihewyd
Residing at Brynaubach, Dihewyd, Cardiganshire
Census Ref RG11/5440/11/1
1891 Census
Evan aged 27 Married occ Coal Miner b Ystrad is a lodger with David and Mary Jones & family in Aberdare
Census Ref RG12/4447/67/25
Keyboard86
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I find it interesting that Llanfihangel Ystrad came so close to Lampeter as members of my family from Betws Bldrws had marriage connections there. I imagined it was nearer the coast and wondered how they could travel so far,. Thank you Sandra