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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: maggbill on Saturday 23 February 13 05:56 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find out which Catholic primary/secondary school my mother might have attended from mid 1920's till mid 30's, whilst living at Millerston St., Glasgow. She was then married at St. Anne's church in Whitevale St., in 1940, but the only "St. Anne's school" I can find in the area is the current one which wasn't built till 1969. (have checked their website - no history on it).
Does anyone have ideas on schools for this area? The family she was raised by wouldn't have been able to send her to any type of fee paying school at all - so any ideas anyone?
Cheers
Maggs
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Hi Maggs
A little here as background www.scan.org.uk/knowledgebase/topics/schoollogbook.htm Have a look there also at the frequently asked questions which includes a further link to Glasgow schools.
Glasgow City Archives are now at the Mitchell Library.
Monica :)
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I had a look in Wikipedia - under Dennistoun - and it mentions a RC school St Denis' in Meadowpark Street (no dates however) which is very close to St Anne's Church. It said that pupils then went on to St Mungo's in the Gallowgate. Perhaps she may have gone to both these schools. Good luck with your search. Craftylass
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How about St Mary's in Abercromby Street, not too far from Millerston street.
Skoosh.
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Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
I am thinking that "St. Mary's, Abercrombie St., might be the one I have seen listed as "St. Mary's Calton" - quite a well known school - could be a good possible.
I didn't see a "St. Denis" listed in Dennistoun - better have a good look at the old maps to figure out where Meadowpark St. is... I doubt very much that my mother would have gone on to St. Mungos' - apart from the fact that I thought it used to be a boys only school - I would have thought she would have mentioned if she had ever gone there, as I know for sure my father went there, spoke about it often, and yet she never mentioned it as being her school.
Wonder if the Glasgow Catholic Diocese archives kept records of these schools? Oh, to be able to have a trip back to the Auld country - I could be there for a year, and still have family connections to investigate... lol...
Thanks again for the ideas everyone.
Maggs
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Hi
Perhaps this may help you find what you need.
http://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/libraries/the-mitchell-library/archives/collections/school-archives/Pages/default.aspx
I would not restrict your search to Catholic only schools. My Dad & his sisters all grew up and attended schools in Glasgow at this same time - all went to different schools!
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Thanks California Dreaming... great link....
Now if only I can sort out some idea of the possible schools she would have attended, I can ask the Archive people to have a search for me.... don't think I can expect them to do a search with just the option of my mothers' time frame and home address - but once I have an idea, can chase them up re any possible records. My mother was raised by a "good Catholic Irish/Scottish, spinster lady" - and I am sure that it would be nigh on impossible for them to send her to a school other than Catholic!!
Have found some really good old Glasgow school photos on Virtual Mitchell - wow, those old Victorian buildings - they looked much bigger than I expected - and so dark and foreboding. Thank God I was educated in typical 50's/60's "prefab" looking type schools. At least they were bright and airy!
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Hi again
If you contact the Archives and explain they may know exactly which school or schools the local children would have attended. I don't think they would find it an imposing question! I don't do much research in Scotland but your post caught my eye because this is where my Grandad, Dad and his siblings lived and attended school. For example my Grandfather came from much the area you are talking about. He attended St Joseph's Primary school and then St Mungo's. Don't know if it was a boys only school! However, I do have a photo of him at school and there were only boys in the photo!!
Here are a couple of suggestions:
Look at a map and find the schools local to Millerston Street. There may be historic maps of the area you want online and you can access them or you may be able to look at a more modern one and piece together your information that way.
Try a directory or similar. Below is a link to one from Glasgow 1927. Although these were published annually I'm sure the schools listed would not change so much in those few years. Don't know if you have used directories much but you will need to know which area and from this you can find out lots of information. Much like using the Yellow pages today!http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glasgow/index-glas.htm
Hope this is helpful :)
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Hi Californiadreaming,
Thanks for your suggestions and the link to the Glasgow Directory. I was interested to read about your family history in the same area as my parents. Can you tell me where St. Joseph Primary was?
I will have a better study of old maps of the Millerston St. area.. I know that my mother's family also lived in Bluevale St., before Millerston St.
I have actually trawled through the 1927 Post Office Directory and have found a "short list" of possible schools.... will keep working at it. There are also about 600 photos of various Glasgow Schools on virtual mitchell.... found a few of interest.
Isn't it amazing just how much time we can spend on our research?? lolol. There goes the housework again!!!!
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There was also this school
http://www.glesga.ukpals.com/schools/olsf2001.htm
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http://www.glesga.ukpals.com/schools.htm
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Hi Maggs
Sorry I am not sure myself where St Josephs was! However, I found this website which might interest you about the area but especially the comment posted by Joseph McIvor Sept 7, 2011 towards the end of the page. It is the part about traveling to a Catholic school and not the debate with the other poster (which seems to get quite heated) I thought you might be interested in!
http://www.glasgowwestend.co.uk/people/nomeanstreets.php
Also, I was hoping to find a map for you but the best I could find was one from 1897!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2734/4259441925_79689eb267_o.jpg
Look for Duke Street on left hand side of map and then Bluevale Street. I think based on a modern map that the street marked East Miller Street next to Bluevale is what is now Millerston St. I couldn't swear to it but I think it is. I see there is a school slightly opposite the other side of Duke St on Meadow Park Street. A possibility?
Kind regards
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Great map CD, East Miller Street became Millerston Street right enough, news to me, three Miller Streets and a Millerston Street on my old map so possibly the reason for the change. The school in Meadowpark Street is Dennistoun School, which was a secondary school in my young day. The school must be south of Duke Street I think. St Ann's or St Mary's?
Skoosh.
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1912 map
http://maps.nls.uk/atlas/bartholomew/view/?id=1206#zoom=7&lat=14160.18787&lon=25178.49054&layers=BT
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My dad was brought up in this area of Glasgow in the 1920's and 30's.
He attended Sacred Heart Primary School in Reid Street.
Google maps shows the distance beteen Millerston St and Sacred Heart RC Primary School is 1.2miles or a 20 min walk,
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Hi Maggs
Just found your post.
I attended St Anne's from 1956 - 61, then went to St Mungo's Acad, which was a boys only school.
From there I went 'down' a school and attended St Mary's Calton for my last 8 months at school. As far as I know St Anne's was around well before I went there. It was knocked down and rebuilt quite recently. Most of my family were married at St Anne's, but I attended St Nicholas', which was the chapel in David St just opposite st Anne's school. (A lot of people thought that was St Anne's chapel) I know Mitchell archives have a lot of info on Glasgow schools, ie maps, records, log books as I have used them quite a bit to find my relies.
Davie
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Hi everyone,
sorry not to have been online for a few days - busy time. Want to thank everyone for all the info and links - very helpful. Only thing is that I now feel there are too many options lololol. Have also managed to ask a contact in Glasgow, whose mother and 3 aunts grew up in the same household as my mother, though not related. And these other household members went to the nuns school in Charlotte Street! Which surprised me somewhat, as i always thought Charlotte street school was more in Bridgeton area. I suppose that the Mitchell Library archives might be the ultimate way of finding out re school info, (thanks for the idea Davie) - but as I am in Oz, it will take a win in the Cross Lotto before I can get there!! I could spend a year back "home" and still not have enough time to do all the research i want to do lol.
Anyway, again everyone thanks a million for your input!!
Maggs
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maggs, this is an excellent site for "onythin Glesga", http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/index.php
All the best with the research.
Bests,
Skoosh.
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Hi Maggs
Just come on this site for the first time in ages. My father in aw attended St Joseph's in Raglan Street, Maryhill in the late 1920s early 30s. Hope this is of help. I have asked the Mitchell Libraryif they have info on this school.
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Hi California Dreamni
Came across this thread and curious to know your grandfather's name. My father in law attended St Joseph's Primary. It was in Raglan Street. Although the old school building is still there I believe the school may have moved to a larger site.
Dad claimed to have gone to St Aloysuis! As he came from a very poor famlly I have my doubts, unless they did scholarships. Or was there another St Aloysuis secondary school apart from the famous fee paying one?
Daisy1942
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St Aloysius also had/still has? a bursary system.
Skoosh.
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Thanks Skoosh,
I had been told of this previously. I did contact them about Dad and they did search their records for me. However Dad's birth name nor his potentially adopted name appears in their records!
Daisy1942
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Hi again
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For example my Grandfather came from much the area you are talking about. He attended St Joseph's Primary school and then St Mungo's. Don't know if it was a boys only school! However, I do have a photo of him at school and there were only boys in the photo!!
Hi I stumbled across this quite by accident and it interests me greatly. I have been researching my father on law for many years and there are still gaps in his history. Dominic Cunningham Casey was born on 14/4/1922 at 19 Bonhill Street to John Patrick Casey and Martha Burt. He attended St Joseph's and we were told by a family friend he went onto a big school for bright kids. He had two older brothers John Patrick born 1914 and James Burt born 1912.
When was your grandfather at St Joseph's and St Mungo's? If the photographs you mention are from the late 1920's or early 1930's, I should be fascinated to see them if I could.
Regards
Hazel
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Hi Hazel
My grandfather was headmaster at St Joseph's. I have very little sadly in terms of photographs, but do have one of a class shot. Do not know the exact date but educated guess, I would say this was from the 1920s (but this is still a guess ;)).
Monica
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Hi MonicaL
I have asked friends to sharpen that photograph to see if Dad there. However, I would venture to guess the photo is not St Joseph's Primary as the picture appears to be all boys. I am 99% sure St joseph's Primary was mixed. But you would know better than I!
When the sharpened photo is returned to me I shall happily fut here to you to download to your own files.
In the meantime any information you have about St Joseph's and St Mungo's between 1924 an 1935 (ish) would be very much appreciated as I am trying to build a picture of my FIL's education, He was born 1922 and joined army in April 1939!
Thank you
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However, I would venture to guess the photo is not St Joseph's Primary as the picture appears to be all boys. I am 99% sure St joseph's Primary was mixed. But you would know better than I!
I would probably agree Monica, St Joseph's was an inner-city school and, in this time period, I doubt very much that almost every boy would have been wearing an Eton collar. The boots are a bit of a giveaway too. The school, like every other Catholic primary in the city, would have been "mixed infants" but after the age of 12 years, they were put into the "Advanced Division" where it may have been the habit to segregate the boys and girls, I'm not too sure about that.
St Mungo's Academy was the only Catholic High School for boys in the entire city at that time, it was run by the Marist Brothers, a teaching order of monks. My youngest uncle, born 1919, won a scholarship to it but after that money run out he was forced to leave at the age of 14 years, my granny, a widow by then, just couldn't afford to let him continue. He was a natural linguist and could pick up any language in a couple of weeks! His first job after leaving school was selling firewood around the posh streets of Hillhead and Hyndland.
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1925, Glasgow Catholic Observer reports about a St Joseph's Boys School in North Woodside Road
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Hi Monica,
When was your granddad headmaster at St Joseph's? He might well have known my FIL! He was Dominic Cunningham Casey and was born 1922. Do you have any idea at what ages the children joined and left the school? We know so little of his childhood and I am trying to build a picture of his life in Glasgow.
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Hi Californiadreaming,
Thanks for your suggestions and the link to the Glasgow Directory. I was interested to read about your family history in the same area as my parents. Can you tell me where St. Joseph Primary was?
I will have a better study of old maps of the Millerston St. area.. I know that my mother's family also lived in Bluevale St., before Millerston St.
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Isn't it amazing just how much time we can spend on our research?? lolol. There goes the housework again!!!!
Hi Maggs,
St Joseph's RC Primary was, at that time, in Raglan Street. The building is still there but the school has moved to a new building around the corner. If my memory serves research showed that the playground was on the roof! Health and Safety would have a fit today.
You are so right about research and housework! Currently I am on a roll with new information and the housework has gone to pot!
Hazel
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1925, Glasgow Catholic Observer reports about a St Joseph's Boys School in North Woodside Road
Well done Sancti, that's exactly where the church was until it closed in 1984. (Records are now with St Columba's in Hopehill Road).
Monica, my apologies for doubting you!
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Monica, my apologies for doubting you!
Helps to keep me on my toes!
Monica
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Hi Californiadreaming,
Thanks for your suggestions and the link to the Glasgow Directory. I was interested to read about your family history in the same area as my parents. Can you tell me where St. Joseph Primary was?
I will have a better study of old maps of the Millerston St. area.. I know that my mother's family also lived in Bluevale St., before Millerston St.
....
Isn't it amazing just how much time we can spend on our research?? lolol. There goes the housework again!!!!
Hi Maggs,
St Joseph's RC Primary was, at that time, in Raglan Street. The building is still there but the school has moved to a new building around the corner. If my memory serves research showed that the playground was on the roof! Health and Safety would have a fit today.
You are so right about research and housework! Currently I am on a roll with new information and the housework has gone to pot!
Hazel