RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: Woolara on Saturday 23 February 13 05:00 GMT (UK)
-
Does anyone know anything about john Lemon born about 1780. On the death certificate of his daughter Eliza ( married in Barnstaple) it says he was a clock maker but maybe he was a block maker. Thanks. Woolara
-
There is a John LEMON of the correct age in the 1851 census living in Barnstaple. However, it states that he was unmarried and he was described as a Chelsea Pensioner. His birthplace was given as Uffculme. A baptism for an Elizabeth Ellen LEMON was recorded in Barnstaple 16 Feb 1835, daughter of John (blockmaker) and Betsy. Abode - Quay.
2 other daughters were also baptised there - occupation was given as blockmaker each time.
HOWEVER, this John LEMON appears to have been born later - he was shown on the 1841 census with his wife and daughters & 2 sons and his age was given as 35. (Ages were rounded down to nearest 5 years in 1841) The 1861 census gave his age as 60, birthplace Northam and again occupation as Blockmaker.
-
Like DOB7 the only Block Maker I can find is the John referred to - he was bp.28/12/1800 Northam, son of a William and Elizabeth. They also had a daughter Eliza bp.25/6/1809 Northam.
Does the age of this Eliza tie in with yours? I wonder whether her brother's details were given when she died, rather than her fathers?? The father of these 2 above, William, was a Husbandman (ag. lab. on census) not a Block Maker.
Annette
-
Thanks for the replies. Eliza Lemon married Charles Colwill in Barnstaple in 1833 and died in 1880 aged 73 in Australia. She had children William and Elizabeth as well as John so not sure how that might fit. The informant at her death was a son-in-law so may not be quite right. Thanks for any help. Woolara
-
Dates and names and all the details you have go a long way to help find more info! I was looking at your thread yesterday but there just wasn't enough there (when and whom Eliza married and when she died and her age at death, just for starters).
An 1809 baptism would fit with an 1833 marriage. Age 73 at death in 1880 = born about 1806 or 1807.
It does sound like the brother's info was given for her father when she died.
Are her children, in order, William, then John, then Elizabeth?
In the 1841 census there is a household in Clawton, Holsworthy registration district:
Charles Colwill, abt 35,farmer, not born in Devon
Elizabeth, abt 40, born in Devon
William, 4
John, 2
I would guess that Charles's father is George Colwill, 65, or parents John and Jane Colwill, 70 and 65, and possible brother Thomas, 50, on the facing page, although they were all born in county. So perhaps, if this is your people, they married in the bride's home location and settled where the groom's family was, making it difficult to connect her to any family in the 1841.
Or had your couple left England by 1841? Do you know when they left?
If that is the couple in 1841, a Charles Colwill was baptised in 1803 in Week St Mary, on the Cornwall-Devon border, with parents John and Jenifer (probably called Jane):
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=947199
Do you know about your Charles? Any info you have about the family can help find more!
edit -- here is the 1841 couple in 1851 in Clawton, Devon:
Charles, 47, born Tamerton, Cornwall
(so this is likely his baptism, 1803:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3102707)
Elizabeth, 51, born Clawton
William, 14
John, 12
Mary Ann, 9
so it looks like they may just be doubles of your people. ;)
-
Thanks. Charles and Eliza came to NSW in 1837. Their children William and Charles came with them. Then there was Thomas, Joseph, Elizabeth, John, Eliza, Edward, Robert, Arthur and another boy and girl. I am leaning towards thinking Eliza had parents William and Elizabeth in Northam Devon now. On Eliza's grave it says she was born 6 May 1807 but that could be a mistaken 7 for 9. Woolara
-
Hi Woolara
I am not sure if this a connection to you, but I have the following on my Tree:
John Short
1838 -1915
Northam
1st =m= 1858 St Mary, Appledore
Elizabeth Lemon
1840 -1861
Appledore
Regards
Schooner
-
Hi Woolara
This might help a little more from my notes.
My Elizabeth Lemon baptised 12/4/1840 at Northam.
Her father was James Lemon Baptised at Northam 10/7/1814. Trade Barrel/Cask maker. A lucrative trade for the ports of Appledore /Bideford.
His elder sister was Eliza Lemon Baptised 25/6/1809 at St Margarets, Northam
Their parents were William and Elizabeth Lemon.
During those early days all BMD's were held at Northam Parish Church for those who came the 2 miles away at Appledore as no Parish Church there until St Marys in 1830's.
Hope this helps a little more and would like to know if we have a distant tree connection.
Regards
Schooner
-
Hi
Eliza Lemon was my ggg grandmother and she married Charles Colwell who was my ggg grandfather. It seems highly likely that her parents were William and Elizabeth. Thanks Woolara
-
Hi Woolara
I will send you a PM with attachment of cut and paste from my tree of how we are connected.
Regards
Schooner :)
-
Hi
Have sent a PM and here is the website that I was trying to find. Eliza and my James are on there.
William Lemon - Genealogy.com
familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/n/i/.../UHP-0093.html
All the best
Schooner
-
Eliza and her husband, Charles Colwill, came to Australia, landing in Sydney, NSW on 31 August 1837 on the "City of Edinburgh" and I am one of their many descendants.
They were married on 29 May 1833 in Barnstaple and a copy of their marriage certificate is held in the Devon Records Office, Barnstaple. Charles could sign his name, but Eliza signed hers with a cross.
In Australia, the surname changed to Colwell but there are a number of variations on this in the early registrations.
Charles and Eliza had a daughter, Fanny, born Barnstaple (from memory) in Nov 1834. She died in Barnstaple on Nov 11, 1835, the same day as the 2nd child, William, was born. I have often wondered if the 2 events were connected. The 2nd son, Charles, was born at sea on 15 Aug 1837 (about 2 weeks before they landed in Sydney). Eliza would have got on the ship knowing that she would probably give birth on the way out. Those women were brave women.
Charles was the son of John and Elizabeth Colwill (both buried in Abbotsham Devon cemetery) as also are his grandparents, Charles and Frances (nee Byrch) Colwill. Elizabeth was born Elizabeth Hawkins in Kilkhampton, Cornwall.
I also have been trying to find information on Eliza's family. Does anyone have anything more?
Should Eliza or Charles be in your family line, I would appreciate hearing from you.
-
I have just received a death certificate for Elizabeth Colwill (49) died 15 May 1841 wife of John Colwill. She died at Heddon St Bideford. Is this the mother of Charles? The only Eliza Lemon I can find so far is the daughter of William and Elizabeth baptised 25 June 1809 at Northam. If her father is John as recorded on her death certificate there is one married to Mary. He was born in Holsworthy and she was born in Northam. However as Eliza does not seem to have any chldren with Mary in their name that I have seen I am not too sure if that is correct. Woolara
-
Yes, that's her. She was born Elizabeth Hawkins abt 1791 in Kilkhampton, Cornwall. She and John had 9 children:
- Charles (who emigrated to Australia and from whom I'm descended), Joseph, John, William, Fanny, Thomas, Elizabeth, Mary Ann, and Grace.
She and John are buried in the St Helens cemetery at Abbotsham.