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I have been trying to trace my Great Grandfather Thomas Patrick Madden and his parents Luke Madden and Mary Madden nee Jenkins. I have finally found Luke and Mary marriage certificate and I am waiting for it to be sent out. I have searched all the census records from 1881 with no luck of finding them. Thomas died in 1926 in Australia and was believed to be 45 years old however I think he may have been born 1878 rather than 1881 as first thought. I have no other family for Thomas. I have no idea when his parents died. I believe Thomas went AWOL when he arrived in England during the war, possibly to see his parents. Luke and Mary were married in West Derby and stories from my grandmother Thomas was born in Liverpool. If anyone can help with this family I would sincerely appreciate it.
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Is this birth reg what makes you think he could have been born 1878
Births June 1/4 1878
Thomas Patrick Madden W. Derby 8b/470
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Hi,,,Can you tell us how you know his parents names? and how do you know you his mothers maiden name was Jenkins? ;)
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www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk Roman Catholic Marriages show that
1878 ref No 708 St James church,Bootle,
Luke Madden married Mary Ann Jenkins ....so although you thought that they married in West Derby - they in fact married in Bootle ...6 miles from West Derby - in this case West Derby was the registration office ..
hope this helps
allan :)
ADDED...www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
1912 death for Luke Madden aged 72 N Preston NP/15/77 could this be your Luke ? ..was he born 1850/51 ...do you have him in 1881 census stating his age ?
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I have found in Bootle (where they married ) in 6 Tudor Court
Luke Madden aged 33 b Ireland
Mary Ann Madden aged 18 b england
no children - with the McCourt family and it says Luke is son in law - this would make Mary Ann a McCourt UNLESS Marys mother had re-married
can some kind soul have a look in 1881 census for Luke and Mary Ann OTHER than this transcription ??...this may be the wrong Luke /Mary Ann - but because they are in Bootle , I think it could be our Luke /Mary Ann
allan...ps ...this record would have meant Mary Ann was 15 when she married Luke in 1878 and he would have been 30 ....cradle snatcher ...lol
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Hello
1871 Rg10/3834 folio 104 page 9 Walton Bootle Lancashire
6 Tuder Ct
Peter McCourt age 42 ireland Dock Lab
Rebecca wife age 32 Ilframcombe Devon
Ellen M Jenkins dau age 14 Birkenhead Cheshire
Mary A Jenkins dau age 12 Birkenhead Cheshire
Catherine McCourt age 3 dau Bootle
James McCourt age 1 son Bootle
William McCourt age 1 son Bootle
Thomas Flanagan boarder Yorkshire
John Clark boarder Wales
1881
6 Tuder Ct
Peter McCourt age 47 he has aged only 5 years Ireland lab
Rebecca wife age 44Illfracombe Devon Milk Dealer
Mary Ann Madden dau age 18 maybe it should be 22 going on the 1871 census Birkenhead dau
Luke Maddon age 33 Ireland son in law
Catherine McCourt dau age 13
William MCcourt son age 11
James McCourt son age 11
Emily McCourt age 7 dau
Pam
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1891 Rg12/2970 folio 22 page 37
3 Jersey Street
Peter MCourt age 60 Ireland Dock Lab
Rebecca wife age 54 Ilfracombe Devon
James son age 21 Postman rest born Bootle
William son age 21 Hairdressers assistant
Emily dau age 19
Thomas Madden grandson age 5
1891
32 Stafford Street
Luke Madden age 40 Ships Fireman ireland
Mary A wife age 29 rest born Liverpool
Mary dau age 9
Patrick son age 7
Catherine dau age 2
1901 Rg13/3460 folio 144 page 31 Bootle cum Linacre
3 Jersey Street
Peter McCourt age 69 Blacksmiths Striker ireland
Rebecca wife age 60 Ilfracombe Devon
William son age 31Hairdressers assistant Bootle
At No 5
Mary A Madden age 39 widow all born Bootle
Mary dau age 19
Patrick son age 17 seasman?
Thomas son age 15 seasman?
Catherine dau age 11
Rebecca dau age 9
James Irlam boarder
Enoch Holden Boarder
Pam
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Thank you so much everyone who replied. I certainly can't thank you enough for helping. I have Thomas death certificate for 1926 Victoria Australia and his military records which state his mothers maiden name was Jenkins. You have all given me some brilliant information here. Hopefully now I can move forward with this side of my family.
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Thanks Down Under ....I wasn`t sure if we had the right Luke and Mary Ann - you confirmed we had .
So Luke died between 1891 - 1901 ? ....Ships Fireman = a Stoker ...I wonder if he died at sea ?
no sign of his death on freebmd 1891 -1901
allan
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I have researched this family all day and found that Rebecca McCourt's maiden name was Watts. I am still no closer to finding the Jenkins surname apart from her children, maybe they were illegitimate? I haven't found Luke Madden's death cert either perhaps he did die at sea? :)
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I don't know whether I am off the track but how about this? Why couldn't Rebecca have been married previously and Ellen and Mary be by the first husband. Have I lost the plot?
RG9 piece 2641 folio 48 page 30
11 Watson Street Birkenhead
William Jenkinson 24 dock labourer born Claythorpe Westmoreland
Rebecca 24 wife born Ilfracombe Devon
Eleanor dau age 2 born Birkenhead Cheshire
Rebecca's birth place correct as is Eleanor's (Ellen?) Jenkinson wrong in this census or shortened to Jenkins in following censuses.
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On the same page FreeBMD
Marriages Sep 1/4 1858
William Jenkins
Rebecca Watts
Reg district Cardiff vol 11a page 315
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Births Sep 1/4 1859
Ellen Jenkins Wirral vol 8a page 397
Wirral registration district includes Birkenhead
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Births Sep 1/4 1859
Ellen Jenkins Wirral vol 8a page 397
Wirral registration district includes Birkenhead
www.cheshirebmd.org.uk
1859 JENKINS Ellen Birkenhead Wirral BIR/41/60
to confirm she was born in Birkenhead
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Familysearch has the marriage
11th september 1858 Llandaff,Glamorganshire ....Rebecca Watts to William Jenkins ..
in the 1851 census Rebecca Watts aged 15 b Ilfracombe,Devonshire - female in household
who is she with ?? and where ??
so she was 22 when she married
allan
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1851 HO1071893/170/14
Ilfracombe
John Watts 35 farmer of 240 acres Ilfracombe
Jane Watts 35 Barrynarbor
Prudence Watts 6 Ifracombe
Richard Watts 4 Ifracombe
John Watts 2 Ifracombe
Jane Watts 1week Ifracombe
Henry Watts 68 father retired Farmer Ifracombe
Mary Cuttiffe 70 Widow Nurse Combmartin
William Rottonberry 40 servant Barrynarbor
Maria Thonee 21 servant Combmartin
William Smaldon 17 servant Shirwell
Joseph Watts 17 servant Ilfracomb
George Tucker 17 servant Berrynarbor
Rebecca Watts 15 Ifracombe
Thomas Rowe 13 Ifracombe
No relationship other than servant given for Joseph 17 and Rebecca 15
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HO107/204/Book 9/Folio 3/Page 1
Goodleigh Devon
John Watts 49 Farmer
Elizabeth Watts 49
William Watte 20
Joseph Watts 18
Elizabeth Watts 16
John Watts 14
James Watts 12
Henery Watts 9
Rebecca Watts 7
Jane Vickery 25 female servant
All born in county. No relationships given in 1841 census.
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I have just taken a look on ancestry to see if there are any public trees on there. There are but I think they have gone back down the wrong line. This is their 1851 census
HO107/1858/649/29
Cattistock Dorset.
John Watts 58 born Dorset
Elizabeth Watts 51
Mary Ann Watts 19
Charles Watts 17
Henry Watts 15
Thomas Watts 8
There is no mention of Rebecca's first marriage either.
They also have John Watts born Dorset marrying an Elizabeth Dunford in Dorset on 1 July 1816.
Needs to be examined closely.
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Hi, I hope that this info is helpful for your search. I am Rebecca McCourt's (nee Watts 1st married name Jenkins), great x 3 grand daughter. Rebecca was born in August 1834 to William and Mary Ann Watts in Berrynarbour, Ilfracombe, Devon. She was one of 6 children. William died in 1839 and Mary Ann in 1844, both in Devon. William left a will providing for his family, a house and orchard. I don't know what happened but Rebecca and her brother Joseph lived as house servants to a John Watts in 1851 on West Hagginton Farm, Ilfracombe. In 1858 Rebecca married William Jenkins (aka Jenkinson), in Llandaff, Glamorganshire. William was born in Westmorland in 1832 to James Jenkinson and Margaret (nee Swainson). William was an agricultural labourer then Husbandman (1851 census). On the 1861 census they were living in Birkenhead and had one daughter Ellen, (aka Eleanor) born in 1859. William was a dock labourer. They had another daughter in c1863, Mary Ann Jenkins. William died in 1864. Rebecca married Peter McCourt in 1867 and had 4 children, Catherine b 1868;William& James b 1870; and Emily b1874. Mary Ann married Luke Madden and had a son Thomas. Luke was born in Ireland c 1848.
Rebecca lived in Bootle at the time of her death in 1923, she lived with her daughter Emily, married name Summers) and her family. Thanks for posting and if by any chance you have any more info please let me know. I know it's a long shot but do you have any early photos? I would love to see any photos of Rebecca and her family, if you do please post them, that would be great. As for my line back to William and Rebecca, their other daughter Ellen married my great x2 grandfather Michael Joseph Bracken, in 1877 in Liverpool and had 7 children.
Rebecca Watts = William Jenkins (Jenkinson)
b1834 d1923 dom 1858 b1832 d 1864
Ellen b 1859 = Michael Joseph Bracken b c1851 Mary Ann b 1863 = Luke Madden
John Bracken snr = Mgt Tasker Thos Madden b c1885 d 1926
John Bracken jnr = Florence Foley Your grandparents
my mum your parents
me you
Good hunting Cousin
Angela